Taiwan President shows their F 16 Upgrade Program

[Trango Towers]

lol....Chinese doesn't have enough air or naval assets to "swarm" Taiwan. It only has a overwhelming edge in long range fire (missiles).

A military buildup is quite noticeable. Like I said....the proximity to Taiwan is a double edged sword.

Taiwan has 400 km BM's (ballistic missiles). All China can do is rain similar missiles onto Taiwan. Thus killing over 10M people. Can it do that??

Most likely not.

If China attacks, so will Taiwan. And the attacker in this case will incur a lot of casualties.

Like I wrote in my above post, Taiwan is armed to the teeth. Anything short of a nuclear warfare will be very bloody for China.

And even nuking Taiwan will mean the fallout falling right back into China and killing the Chinese people too.

Which is why you see pathetic attempts by China and Chinese on PDF where they say "we're all the same!!" "you're Han Chinese too!"

That's the best policy China can adopt.....weaken Taiwan from within and reunify it peacefully.

If warfare was easy, China would have done it by now. If the US can't defeat Taliban....China has no hope of easily defeating a near peer enemy.

Of course, given enough body bags and economic turmoil, China can take Taiwan....but will it be worth it???

The CCP has decided that it isn't so far.

What u r smoking is good shit....

 

[Itachi]

Chinese have hundreds of Big AWACS like KJ-200, KJ-500, and KJ-2000.

Did you add a zero to 50??

Because China has less than 50 AWACs right now....not "hundreds".

And it has less than 10 KJ-2000's.

And I can dismiss the rest of your jingoistic post too since it's just inflated numbers all around.

By the time Chinese air crafts will be in the air moving towards Taiwan....the game will be up. It'll be too late.

AWAC numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Equipment

What u r smoking is good shit....

I don't smoke and if you think I'm smoking....you need to read the post above me and my reply to it.

And I'll take your one liner as a admission of defeat.

 

[Daniel808]

Did you add a zero to 50??

Because China has less than 50 AWACs right now....not "hundreds".

And it has less than 10 KJ-2000's.

And I can dismiss the rest of your jingoistic post too since it's just inflated numbers all around.

By the time Chinese air crafts will be in the air moving towards Taiwan....the game will be up. It'll be too late.

AWAC numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Equipment


I don't smoke and if you think I'm smoking....you need to read the post above me and my reply to it.

And I'll take your one liner as a admission of defeat.

WTF, are u really using wikipedia as your basis of info?
Wikipedia is not accurate regarding China, especially english wiki


That wiki page not updated the equipment of China's Air Force since many years ago.
For example :
From end of 2020 China's Air Force already have more than 50 unit of Y-20 Strategic Transport Active in 2 Regiments, meanwhile in that english wiki only 17 with 1 regiment.

And also for the Tanker Fleet, that english wiki only put IL-78MD How ridiculous..
China have Dozens H-6U Tanker too in their Active Service, not to mention Y-20U Strategic Tanker in Chinese Active Service.



Y-20U Strategic Tanker in Chinese Air Force Active Service

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457344639506128915

You give fake info, I give proof

 

[Indos]

I think the thing you are missing here is

China (if it decides to attack...personally I don't think it will) will literally swarm Taiwanese air bases and naval craft simultaneously. Taiwan doesn't have the offensive capability to make mainland think twice b4 attacking.
Then the AIR defence sites. Ones the airforce and navy is taken care of the invasion is on. But if Taiwanese people decide to resist and some will the fighting will be hard and gains difficult in the urban environment.

Taiwan I am sure considering Israel Iron Dome anti missile system

 

[Daniel808]

Taiwan I am sure considering Israel Iron Dome anti missile system

And you think Chinese Missiles Fleet is in the same level with Hamas cheap homemade rockets that they use in Gaza?

 

[Itachi]

WTF, are u really using wikipedia as your basis of info?
Wikipedia is not accurate regarding China, especially english wiki


That wiki page not updated the equipment of China's Air Force since many years ago.
For example :
From end of 2020 China's Air Force already have more than 50 unit of Y-20 Strategic Transport Active in 2 Regiments, meanwhile in that english wiki only 17 with 1 regiment.

And also for the Tanker Fleet, that english wiki only put IL-78MD How ridiculous..
China have Dozens H-6U Tanker too in their Active Service, not to mention Y-20U Strategic Tanker in Chinese Active Service.



Y-20U Strategic Tanker in Chinese Air Force Active Service

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457344639506128915

You give fake info, I give proof

You literally said that China has "hundreds of AWACS" but are now jumping onto transport aircrafts??

You do know that AWACS are different from transport air crafts....right?

 

[Daniel808]

You literally said that China has "hundreds of AWACS" but are now jumping onto transport aircrafts??

You do know that AWACS are different from transport air crafts....right?

Yes, Im talking about AWACS & EW Aircraft. Again in your english wiki there is no J-16D in Chinese EW Fleet.
Meanwhile, I give proof

J-16D EW in Chinese Air Force Active Service

Indian like you only good at spreading fake info

 

[Itachi]

Yes, Im talking about AWACS & EW Aircraft. Again in your english wiki there is no J-16D in Chinese EW Fleet.
Meanwhile, I give proof

J-16D EW in Chinese Air Force Active Service
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Indian like you only good at spreading fake info

EW's aren't AWAC's tho...

And even if you combine EW AC's of China with their AWAC fleet....it's still not 'hundreds".

Keep moving the goal post kiddo. We already know you can't read or type English properly and lie through your teeth.

Indian like you only good at spreading fake info

Ah yes....typical Chinese ad hoc.

When you lose an argument...the other guy must be Indian!

 

[Daniel808]

EW's aren't AWAC's tho...

And even if you combine EW AC's of China with their AWAC fleet....it's still not 'hundreds".

Keep moving the goal post kiddo. We already know you can read or type English properly and lie through your teeth.



Ah yes....typical Chinese ad hoc.

When you lose an argument...the other guy must be Indian!

AWACS and EW, you don't understand the meaning of 'and' ?

You seems lack basic knowledge of Modern Air Warfare. You cannot abandon EW and using AWACS alone in modern Air Battle

You are the one that lose, I busted your fake info many times

 

[mudas777]

I see most on here don't know how warfare works...

Let me repost a post I wrote on why China hasn't and probably won't attack Taiwan for quite some time:


Kek.....Taiwan is armed to the teeth.

Taiwan might not seem like it but all the surroundings islands are littered with weapons of different kinds, including decoys.

And China can't attack at will......only at certain times of the year if I'm not wrong.

China's proximity to Taiwan is also a double edged sword.....Taiwan can literally kill 10x its own population if it's attacked.

Even if China wins the naval war and invades, by the time it reaches the shores, it'll have a lot of casualties piled up. Nukes are out of option since fallout will be right on Chinas doorstep and the political, moral and economic consequences to handle after that...

Best bet China has is internal strife/civil war or help from spies/traitors within Taiwan to ease the invasion. People who think it's gonna be a cake walk will need to review the US casualties of the Gulf War and then 10x-100x them in regards to China.

Just my two cents...

I just hope I don't get those retarded replies by the same groups of well known fan boys on here.

When a nation makes up her mind to get back what's rightfully belongs to them then they don't count for the casualties but look at the end result. Of course their will be price to pay for the China and its not going to be easy but the Chinese are determined to unite Taiwan with the main land and they have got the patience, determination and resources. Taiwan unification will bound to happen and its matter of time and the Chinese are not in any hurry to start the clock. It will be better for the Taiwanese to remove this war mongering woman in the next election and instead of looking towards the military solutions go after the political options.
Todays China is not of yesterday years and after all the HK model unification is in front of us. Until Western/US decided to incite the protests in the HK and thought they will make the China rule over the HK unbearable what a wrong move they have made. West thought Libyan, Iraqi and the Syrian model of the instability will work in the HK too but the West ended up loosing all the say, bad move I guess .
Western bully boy tactics of sending the fishing boats and rusty plane carriers approach are the things of the past and for the weak adversaries and is only waste of time and resources in the case of China. Long live the freedom of navigation and keep on performing circuit's in the South Chinese sea while Chinese exports keeps on rising and Taiwanese keeps on shivering.

 

[Avicenna]

Such a pity.
Instead using those huge budget to buy F-35B vertical take off, they used it to upgrade their old fleet of F-16.

Those F-16s wouldn't fly in a Chinese Invasion. Because the Opening phase of Chinese Invasion would be Massive barrage of Missiles, MLRS, and Artillery rain down on every available Taiwan Airports and Highways that can be used to taking off aircraft.



If those F-16s lucky enough to fly in the middle of Missiles barrage. They would be welcomed by hundreds of J-10C.
Not to mention other Chinese Air Force more capable Fighters like, J-16, Stealth Fighter J-20, and Stealth Fighter J-35

Chinese Air Force J-10C
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One of Crucial weakness of ROCAF is their lack of Capable & Bigger AWACS that can stay long time to support their fighter.
ROCAF only have 6 old and small E-2K.

This is the List of Chinese Air Force AWACS Fleet.
Chinese have hundreds of Big AWACS like KJ-200, KJ-500, and KJ-2000. Also KJ-500 onboard of their Aircraft Carrier Battle Group (CVBG)
View attachment 794846


Not to mention again, ROCAF lacks of Electronic Warfare Aircraft (EW).
Meanwhile Chinese Air Force have hundreds of EW Aircraft, like Y-8CB, Y-8G, TU-154MD,Y-9G, Y-9DZ, and the newest one like J-16D (EW Heavy Fighter).

Chinese Air Force J-16D EW Heavy Fighter
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With all of that lack of support (AEW and EW). If those F-16s meet with Chinese Air Force J-10C fleet in a battle. Of course Chinese Air Force of J-10C would have Crucial upper hand

Hopefully there is never any war.

 

[Daniel808]

When a nation makes up her mind to get back what's rightfully belongs to them then they don't count for the casualties but look at the end result. Of course their will be price to pay for the China and its not going to be easy but the Chinese are determined to unite Taiwan with the main land and they have got the patience, determination and resources. Taiwan unification will bound to happen and its matter of time and the Chinese are not in any hurry to start the clock. It will be better for the Taiwanese to remove this war mongering woman in the next election and instead of looking towards the military solutions go after the political options.
Todays China is not of yesterday years and after all the HK model unification is in front of us. Until Western/US decided to incite the protests in the HK and thought they will make the China rule over the HK unbearable what a wrong move they have made. West thought Libyan, Iraqi and the Syrian model of the instability will work in the HK too but the West ended up loosing all the say, bad move I guess .
Western bully boy tactics of sending the fishing boats and rusty plane carriers approach are the things of the past and for the weak adversaries and is only waste of time and resources in the case of China. Long live the freedom of navigation and keep on performing circuit's in the South Chinese sea while Chinese exports keeps on rising and Taiwanese keeps on shivering.

Yes, those troller in here underestimated Chinese determination.

Chinese is a very Detemined Society and din't afraid to take the price they need to achieve their Objective

They dare to Slaughter soldiers & Commanding Officer of a Nuclear country Army

Even when they are still poor and in the Aftermath of Civil war (1950). They dare to have an Open war with Nuclear power and The Winner of WW2 aka USA

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Hopefully there is never any war.

Yes, definetly. That's Chinese patience, they don't want to see their little brother hurt.
But they also have the Deadline, so let's see

An interesting time ahead indeed

 

[Stranagor]

Under Tsai Administration, Taiwan's dependency on Mainland market as percentage of its total exports has grown from about 50% to over 60%. Taiwan enjoys trade surplus. Huge Taiwan business investment in Mainland market, which generates steady cash flow into Taiwan. KMT chairwoman flew to Mainland and got Sinovac or Sinopharm vaccine early this year. And KMT will most likely win next elections.

This tells a lot about leverages Mainland China has to solve the question economically and politically, without allowing foreigners enjoy the sight of the spill of blood.

 

[Mandalorian_CA]

Yes, those troller in here underestimated Chinese determination.

Chinese is a very Detemined Society and din't afraid to take the price they need to achieve their Objective

They dare to Slaughter soldiers & Commanding Officer of a Nuclear country Army
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Even when they are still poor and in the Aftermath of Civil war (1950). They dare to have an Open war with Nuclear power and The Winner of WW2 aka USA


Yes, definetly. That's Chinese patience, they don't want to see their little brother hurt.
But they also have the Deadline, so let's see

An interesting time ahead indeed

which deadline ?

 

[Daniel808]

which deadline ?

In Last year (2020) National People's Congress that discuss their 15 Year Long Term plan (2020-2035).
The Chinese Government of National Comprehensive Transportation Network Plan clearly shows High-speed Railway Network and Expressway across the Taiwan Strait all the way to Taipei.
And after that, their Transport Minister Li Xiaopeng stated all of that Networks to be completed during the next 15 years.

They firmly stated that in 2035, Chinese people can using High Speed Train to enjoy the beauty of Taiwan island.
Yes, it's frightening for those poor Rats in Taiwan island, when they know how much the remaining of their lifespan

And what I know, it's need at least 10 years to build High Speed Railway network across Taiwan strait. So from today to 2025 would be a very interesting time for all of us

Even Russian Government already stated their Support for China regarding that Taiwan island issue

Chinese Rapper also make good song about that..
"Riding High-speed train to Taiwan in 2035" Chinese people will enjoy the beauty of Taiwan island in 2035

https://twitter.com/x/status/1458596442386296832