Taiwan can respond to assassination of unarmed fisherman by the Philippines

[Bob Ong]

You are one knowledgeable dude (or girl? no matter). I thought I was left to rancor with these aholes myself. I am proud to raise the same flags with you. word of advice, if you continue to argue with zero wing and bob ong, you will find yourself in a quandary b/c they will keep shifting on you in an attempt to make you miss the target. Their only strategy, and defense, is to mislead, with smoke and mirror, with faulty logic, distortion of truth, outright lies, spread rumors. I'd rather they refute their Chinese ancestry and call themselves Spaniards, cuz they are probably closer to the lazy life style of Spain then the diligence of the Chinese.

and your statement is the result of the long term effect of opium in Chinese bodies. Lay off the opium, man

 

[sdjd2013]

FACT is CHINA’s claim is BASELESS from HISTORICAL and LEGAL perspectives.

To legally claim territory, one must define exactly its boundaries. Give me the geographic coordinates of that 9 dash line now (if you do not know what I mean by "geographic coordinates" ask a surveyor LOL)

China's claim of the 9 dash line is totally absurd. What if Italy will show an ancient map of the Roman Empire which extends all throughout Europe that was once a part of the Roman Empire. Or Mongolia will show an ancient map which includes China as part of its territory which was once conquered by the Mongolian Emperor Genghis Khan?

When China ratified the UNCLOS in 1996, she made a statement that it enjoys sovereign rights over its exclusive economic zone of 200 nm and the continental shelf. China also stated a law it passed in 1992 claiming islands in South China Sea including Taiwan and other disputed islands. Keep in mind that the UNCLOS was written in 1982. In both statements, China also stated that she will abide and respect the international law.

China climbed out of the toilet making, and now wants to take what belongs to the Philippines. They want to write their own laws allowing them to rape the natural resources of the Philippines, to the point of using their government ships to block the Philippines from imposing their laws on illegal Chinese fishing boats in Filipino waters. Yet they want to act as victims and threat of war. They are only disappointed that the Filipino people will not be pushed from what is the Philippines.

As for Falkland and South Georgia, there are British people living there. Again I repeat. Britain and Argentina are both outside the 200 miles EEZ of Falkland Islands. Try to look at the map of South Georgia Island it's even far than Falkland Islands.

As to geographical location, the Philippines appeared to have an edge in claiming the ownership of the Spratlys Islands as no other State can claim of being an "Archipelagic State." Under Article 46, Part IV of the United Nations Convention on the Laws of the Sea (UNCLOS), Archipelagic State is defined as: "A State constituted wholly by one or more archipelagos and may include other islands. Archipelago means a group of islands, including parts of islands, interconnecting waters, and other natural features..."The Philippine Island is an archipelago, consisting of so many islands, islets, and reefs and the Kalayaan Island or Spratlys are within its continental shelf and China is not an Archipelagic State.

Oh well what's new... For so many years, these Chinese leaders thought of themselves as superiors and their citizens inferior humans. This attitude has molded into a Nazi-like psyche. This time, they look outwards emboldened by their newly created national wealth. Glaringly, these politburos would speak about a PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC yet kills their own fellow Chinese people opposing against what these leaders want.


Go ahead! Your garbage words must have the same elements in your brain. PCG is in pursuit of its duties to enforce Philippine and international law – they have the authority to board, inspect, apprehend any offending vessel conducting (or suspected to be conducting) unlawful activities within Philippine maritime boundaries. No more leeway to those wicked heartless Taiwanese.

OMG, for once you sound like a half-wit (as opposed to a full moron). You may sound logical about the ancient map, but as usual you intentionally avoided the KEY issue, which is who had POSSESSION just after WWII? why Possession? b/c in the absence of a rightful claim, finder's keeper -- isn't that the essence of ANGLO LAW? that you guys revere so much? I'm not saying Taiwan or China has a rightful claim, but certainly they have as much a claim as PH, so get off your high horse's A SS

 

[sdjd2013]

NBI: Philippine coast guards liable



The National Bureau of Investigation has recommended the filing of criminal charges against the Filipino coast guards involved in the shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman in northern Philippine waters last month, the Inquirer learned on Tuesday.

A source, who has knowledge of the investigation of the incident but asked not to be identified because he has no authority to speak on the matter, declined to say whether murder or homicide charges had been recommended.

But the source said there was a debate on whether to bring murder charges against the coast guards, as “superior strength” was used “against an unarmed civilian,” or homicide, as the shooting death of fisherman Hung Shih-chen was “not premeditated.”

The source said the NBI report on the investigation of Hung’s death had been submitted to Justice Secretary Leila de Lima.

“It is a thin report, because the annexes have yet to be forwarded to [Secretary De Lima],” the source said.

The report, according to the source, includes the identities of the coast guards who fired their rifles at Hung’s fishing boat in waters off Balintang Island on May 9.

Shooter identified

t also contains the identity of the coast guard who fired the bullet that killed Hung, the source said.

The shooter was identified through a cross-match between the slug recovered from Hung’s body during autopsy and the signature of the coast guard’s M14 rifle.

The shooting happened in Philippine waters, as the Philippine Coast Guard stated in its report on the incident submitted to the NBI, the source said.

The source said the incident took place within 79.2 kilometers of Philippine territory and 316.8 km from Taiwanese territory.

No attempt to ram

But the Coast Guard’s claim that the fishing boat Guan Ta Hsin 28 tried to ram the coastal patrol vessel MCS-3001 was disproved, the source said.

The Coast Guard claimed that the fishing boat’s hostile move was the reason for its officers’ firing at the vessel, aiming for the engine to make it stop.

But the NBI report says the results of the ballistic tests and trajectory examination on the fishing boat showed the shooters did not know where the engine was, the source said.

Diplomatic row

Hung’s family has brought murder charges against the Philippine Coast Guard in Pingtung County District Attorney’s Office in southern Taiwan and with the NBI team of investigators who traveled there last month for the Philippine probe of Hung’s death.

The shooting death of the fisherman sparked a major diplomatic row between Taiwan and the Philippines.

Taiwan demanded an official apology from the Philippine government, compensation for Hung’s family and punishment for the shooters.

To pressure the Philippines into complying, Taiwan froze new jobs in Taiwan for Filipino migrant workers and suspended tourist travel to the Philippines and trade and cultural exchanges between the two countries.

President Aquino apologized for the shooting death of Hung, but Taiwan rejected his apology because of his description of the killing as “unintended” and an “unfortunate loss of life.”

Cooperate

The two countries, however, agreed to cooperate in the investigation of Hung’s death.
A team of Taiwanese investigators traveled to Manila to examine the coast guards’ weapons, interview them, and see their own video of the chase between their vessel and Hung’s fishing boat.

An NBI team traveled to Taiwan, examined Hung’s boat, interviewed its crew, and studied the Taiwanese coroner’s autopsy report.

The two teams agreed to release their findings separately.

NBI: Philippine coast guards liable » News » thePinoy

This may have eased the diplomatic tension, but damage to the goodwill between the two peoples have been done. I came in here with a clean slate, with good intention to debate about the issue. But, seeing all the absurd comments and responses posed by Pinoys, I gotta say, I am not sure if they are friends or enemies any more. I'm gonna watch my back for all the Pinoys from now. I believe there are good ones, but it appears majority are incapable of reason, and mostly disingenuous and have deep hatred for Chinese people. TSK, TSK. You guys are so confident about the U.S. forces, but remember, you are in the frontline, if a fight breaks out, you will feel the full brunt of it, not we.

and, they certainly should prosecute the Commander who ordered the shooting for murder.

 

[Bob Ong]

OMG, for once you sound like a half-wit (as opposed to a full moron). You may sound logical about the ancient map, but as usual you intentionally avoided the KEY issue, which is who had POSSESSION just after WWII? why Possession? b/c in the absence of a rightful claim, finder's keeper -- isn't that the essence of ANGLO LAW? that you guys revere so much? I'm not saying Taiwan or China has a rightful claim, but certainly they have as much a claim as PH, so get off your high horse's A SS

Who's in the world can manage to accept the stupidity of China for their claim in their 9 dash line in SCS? UNCLOS gave all the country their 200nm for their right to exploit it and nothing more. Chinese expansionism is being experience from the end of world war two when their take Tibet as their land which even in history Tibet is not part of China. How they can say the whole sea is for them. Maybe need to change their attitude towards international community or the international community need to change their mind to boycott all Chinese product exported in the whole world and we can see what they are telling right when they back to the Mao's era

Again China MAPPED the South China Sea. The 9 dash is fabricated by Chinese government and there's no historical and legal evidence on their claim.

 

[Zero_wing]

This is what changed the tenor of this debate. I, too, was a rational debater from the beginning, until Zero Wing posted this thing, amongst other inflammatory, senseless, baseless, comments about Taiwan, and the Chinese, fueled by other comments by an American physician who is supposed to have compassion and morality. Then, I lost respect for this thread, and I don't give a fu ck about the debate, because there hasn't been one in this thread.

Well sound like you and if you did why did you still reply happy Independence day for the Philippines mabuhay ng republika

This is so full of fail that I don't know where to start. Chinese came into Taiwan to liberated it from Dutch colonial control in 1662, like the Chinese who fought against the Spanish in the Philippines and Chinese mestizos who led the 1896 revolution against Spain.

And is there a mysterious glitch that turns SOUTH GEORGIA ISLANDS into the "Falkland Islands"? Or are you trying to hijack the topic?

France and the Republic of China specifically said they claimed the SPRATLY islands, including Taiping (itu aba). Japan conquered it from France and surrendered it to the Republic of China. The American administered Philippines never claimed it once or tried to occupy the islands.

Man i think your still living in your cave do your research first

 

[Bob Ong]

This may have eased the diplomatic tension, but damage to the goodwill between the two peoples have been done. I came in here with a clean slate, with good intention to debate about the issue. But, seeing all the absurd comments and responses posed by Pinoys, I gotta say, I am not sure if they are friends or enemies any more. I'm gonna watch my back for all the Pinoys from now. I believe there are good ones, but it appears majority are incapable of reason, and mostly disingenuous and have deep hatred for Chinese people. TSK, TSK. You guys are so confident about the U.S. forces, but remember, you are in the frontline, if a fight breaks out, you will feel the full brunt of it, not we.

and, they certainly should prosecute the Commander who ordered the shooting for murder.

Blame your politicians! as long as these Taiwanese politicians need to boost their ratings, this issue will never end. They benefit more than we do with our trades and I hope they don't lift the sanctions, seriously. We're always known to survive whatever calamity comes our way. This is nothing compared to what we've been through. I seriously hope these sanctions don't get lifted. I'm even hoping they send all our workers back and let the Taiwanese blame their own politicians when their economy is affected. Just to remind you, the minute you cross the channel to attack/invade our country over something petty as this, you are activating the MDT and will lose your US protection order from China. So good luck

 

[sdjd2013]

Who's in the world can manage to accept the stupidity of China for their claim in their 9 dash line in SCS? UNCLOS gave all the country their 200nm for their right to exploit it and nothing more. Chinese expansionism is being experience from the end of world war two when their take Tibet as their land which even in history Tibet is not part of China. How they can say the whole sea is for them. Maybe need to change their attitude towards international community or the international community need to change their mind to boycott all Chinese product exported in the whole world and we can see what they are telling right when they back to the Mao's era

Again China MAPPED the South China Sea. The 9 dash is fabricated by Chinese government and there's no historical and legal evidence on their claim.

Boo Hoo, now PH will conveniently disregard the one-China policy and deal with Taiwan, right? PH will have a better chance at it. FYI, the U.S. is kissing China's arse, as do all Europeans, getting on China's good side with their hands out. PH is the only one who is defying the world, like Japan, who has been scolded badly after being ignored on DaiyuDao (Senkaku).

Well sound like you and if you did why did you still reply happy Independence day for the Philippines mabuhay ng republika



Man i think your still living in your cave do your research first

You are so pathetic you are not worthy of a response from anyone. You probably live alone and work at some menial job judging from your intelligence. Good luck in your fantasy world.

 

[sdjd2013]

Blame your politicians! as long as these Taiwanese politicians need to boost their ratings, this issue will never end. They benefit more than we do with our trades and I hope they don't lift the sanctions, seriously. We're always known to survive whatever calamity comes our way. This is nothing compared to what we've been through. I seriously hope these sanctions don't get lifted. I'm even hoping they send all our workers back and let the Taiwanese blame their own politicians when their economy is affected. Just to remind you, the minute you cross the channel to attack/invade our country over something petty as this, you are activating the MDT and will lose your US protection order from China. So good luck

PFFFFt, don't count on it. You think the US will sacrifice the world economy and its own that took 200 years to built? for little PH? The U.S. is broke after the bushes fought three wars. You guys had better wake up. The 7th fleet is far from home, and defenseless against missiles. Better PH stay quiet and grab ankles.

 

[Wholegrain]

Who's in the world can manage to accept the stupidity of China for their claim in their 9 dash line in SCS? UNCLOS gave all the country their 200nm for their right to exploit it and nothing more. Chinese expansionism is being experience from the end of world war two when their take Tibet as their land which even in history Tibet is not part of China. How they can say the whole sea is for them. Maybe need to change their attitude towards international community or the international community need to change their mind to boycott all Chinese product exported in the whole world and we can see what they are telling right when they back to the Mao's era

Again China MAPPED the South China Sea. The 9 dash is fabricated by Chinese government and there's no historical and legal evidence on their claim.

Triple fail.

Tibet was recognized as part of the Republic of China by America and the rest of the world, and even Britain recognized Tibet as under China's suzereinty at the 1914 Simla Accord. No country recognized Tibet' delaration of independence.

There is a reason there was never a Tibetan embassy in America. America also did not recognized Mongolia while it recognized ROC, because the ROC considers Mongolia a province.

There is a reason why the Dalai Lama could not even file a complaint at the United Nations in 1950 - no member state recognized his "country".

We should talk about Filipino expansionism, like its behavior in Mindanao which it owns solely due to the United States' brutal imperialist rampage against the Moros. Not even Spain could directly annex the sultanates.

No country has recognized the Philippines claims either, except for the Philippines.

Japan surrendered the Spratly Islands to the Republic of China, decades before UNCLOS existed.

The Philippines claims are so full of fail I cannot begin to describe it. If the islands are in the Philippinrs EEZ according to the Philippines, then those are NOT the territorial waters of the Philippines. EEZs are BEYOND territorial waters. And since EEZs are made out of water, they do NOT cover islands. If an island is in the middle of your EEZ but not your territorial waters, then you aren't claiming it.

The Miangas island is well in the Philippines EEZ and continental shelf and closer to the Philippines than Indnesia, yet it was awarded to the Dutch colonial government of Indonesia by the Permanent Court of Arbitration.

Your constant nagging about the map is a straw man because before the map was even drawn, both French indo china, the Republic of China, and then Japan during world war 2 claimed the spratly islands. The American ruled Philippines did NOT claim the islands, only after independence and Clomas's "discovery" did it contest the already existing claims of the Republic of China and France. Japan surrendered the spratly islands to the Republic of China and not America.

 

[Krueger]

 

[sdjd2013]

touché! Wholegrain!

 

[sdjd2013]

Blame your politicians! as long as these Taiwanese politicians need to boost their ratings, this issue will never end. They benefit more than we do with our trades and I hope they don't lift the sanctions, seriously. We're always known to survive whatever calamity comes our way. This is nothing compared to what we've been through. I seriously hope these sanctions don't get lifted. I'm even hoping they send all our workers back and let the Taiwanese blame their own politicians when their economy is affected. Just to remind you, the minute you cross the channel to attack/invade our country over something petty as this, you are activating the MDT and will lose your US protection order from China. So good luck

When Japan compensated and apologized for the ramming of the Taiwanese boat at Ma's demand, he didn't care about his ratings. He did it because it was the right thing to do, and his ratings did not improve b/c of it. I can't speak for every Taiwanese, and I admit there are many warmongers in the DDP who doesn't care for the common good, but don't blame Ma for the rage of the people. Can Ma get votes from 14 Congressmen who condemned the shooting? can he get votes from the Chinese people at large who are outraged by the disdain with which PH has treated Chinese lives? for all those who says so what one fisherman died, i'd say you guys are the true evil elements of the world, not China or Taiwan, or anyone who understands morality.

 

[sdjd2013]

p.s., Taiwan is truly a model of peace, and its fishermen bothers no one but the fish. they are trying to make a living. They don't hunt endangered species, that is the job for Japan (whales) and China (sharks). They follow tunas, and if, for some mishap, they end up in disputed areas, they get shot or arrested for ransom. so WTF are you guys talking about they invaded waters? so FU CKING WHAT? DO YOU SHOOT EVERHONE WHO IS UNARMED THAT TRESPASS INTO YOUR BACKYARD?

 

[faithfulguy]

Go ahead! Your garbage words must have the same elements in your brain. PCG is in pursuit of its duties to enforce Philippine and international law – they have the authority to board, inspect, apprehend any offending vessel conducting (or suspected to be conducting) unlawful activities within Philippine maritime boundaries. No more leeway to those wicked heartless Taiwanese.

Do the Filipino pirates have any right to murder anyone with cold blood. That is what happened. Its not the matter of boarding vessels or search and apprehend. Its a murder issue and its time that your Filipino gov look at it that way.

 

[sdjd2013]

NBI: Philippine coast guards liable



The National Bureau of Investigation has recommended the filing of criminal charges against the Filipino coast guards involved in the shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman in northern Philippine waters last month, the Inquirer learned on Tuesday.

A source, who has knowledge of the investigation of the incident but asked not to be identified because he has no authority to speak on the matter, declined to say whether murder or homicide charges had been recommended.

But the source said there was a debate on whether to bring murder charges against the coast guards, as “superior strength” was used “against an unarmed civilian,” or homicide, as the shooting death of fisherman Hung Shih-chen was “not premeditated.”

The source said the NBI report on the investigation of Hung’s death had been submitted to Justice Secretary Leila de Lima.

“It is a thin report, because the annexes have yet to be forwarded to [Secretary De Lima],” the source said.

The report, according to the source, includes the identities of the coast guards who fired their rifles at Hung’s fishing boat in waters off Balintang Island on May 9.

Shooter identified

t also contains the identity of the coast guard who fired the bullet that killed Hung, the source said.

The shooter was identified through a cross-match between the slug recovered from Hung’s body during autopsy and the signature of the coast guard’s M14 rifle.

The shooting happened in Philippine waters, as the Philippine Coast Guard stated in its report on the incident submitted to the NBI, the source said.

The source said the incident took place within 79.2 kilometers of Philippine territory and 316.8 km from Taiwanese territory.

No attempt to ram

But the Coast Guard’s claim that the fishing boat Guan Ta Hsin 28 tried to ram the coastal patrol vessel MCS-3001 was disproved, the source said.

The Coast Guard claimed that the fishing boat’s hostile move was the reason for its officers’ firing at the vessel, aiming for the engine to make it stop.

But the NBI report says the results of the ballistic tests and trajectory examination on the fishing boat showed the shooters did not know where the engine was, the source said.

Diplomatic row

Hung’s family has brought murder charges against the Philippine Coast Guard in Pingtung County District Attorney’s Office in southern Taiwan and with the NBI team of investigators who traveled there last month for the Philippine probe of Hung’s death.

The shooting death of the fisherman sparked a major diplomatic row between Taiwan and the Philippines.

Taiwan demanded an official apology from the Philippine government, compensation for Hung’s family and punishment for the shooters.

To pressure the Philippines into complying, Taiwan froze new jobs in Taiwan for Filipino migrant workers and suspended tourist travel to the Philippines and trade and cultural exchanges between the two countries.

President Aquino apologized for the shooting death of Hung, but Taiwan rejected his apology because of his description of the killing as “unintended” and an “unfortunate loss of life.”

Cooperate

The two countries, however, agreed to cooperate in the investigation of Hung’s death.
A team of Taiwanese investigators traveled to Manila to examine the coast guards’ weapons, interview them, and see their own video of the chase between their vessel and Hung’s fishing boat.

An NBI team traveled to Taiwan, examined Hung’s boat, interviewed its crew, and studied the Taiwanese coroner’s autopsy report.

The two teams agreed to release their findings separately.

NBI: Philippine coast guards liable » News » thePinoy

it's amazing why some Filipinos defy the findings of their own NBI. PCG had no right to shoot! That's the END! what more do you guys want? Your own investigators said that PCG was WRONG! all that diplomatic jousting was just delaying the inevitable, and what everyone knew (including the 14 U.S. Congressmen who condemned the shooting). Let it be a forgone conclusion that it was a wrongful act to shoot a fisherman, trespassing or not. now the question is whether it was intentional -- another forgone conclusion by any means.