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Tableeghi Jamaats to be banned from Cantts, Defence areas

Majority have this negative attitude because they are under influence of western media , anti islamic lobbies and sectarianism.

I think you feel we are against preaching Islam or its values being under media influence ? Looking at the bigger picture these tableghi jamats are doing good job however rouge elements and extremists are using it as a cover to undermine our national security and at the same time giving bad name to Islam. Don't you think we shouldn't let that happen?
There must be a way to scrutinize these groups and have a strict watch against any anti-state activities otherwise it will be too late...
 
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religion should be left out of sports affairs....religion should be left out of military affairs....not suppressed...practices shouldnt be disallowed.....but open show of it and open partcipation in groups that deflect 100% attention --that shouldnt be allowed

i mean common.....look at Pakistan cricket team when they went through their tableeghy stage.......they become a laughing stock! We lost against Ireland!!!!!

if i didnt know better, i'd say tableeghy jamaat are bad luck :laugh:


but setting humour aside, it doesnt matter who the culprits are. We want those bastards who did this to be punished. We want to avenge the lives of the shaheeds and we want to make it clear that if you f*ck with Pakistan and its security you will be destroyed. No exceptions. This is the mentality we should have.

For a Muslim Islam is the first thing and everything every other thing can be left out not Islam and Islam is a whole way of life
 
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For a Muslim Islam is the first thing and everything every other thing can be left out not Islam and Islam is a whole way of life

The Tableeg has not been proscribed or has it been?

It is only a social and philanthropic organisation as far as I know.
 
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The Tableeg has not been proscribed or has it been?

It is only a social and philanthropic organisation as far as I know.

The tableegh that is preaching good and prohibiting evil is the major aspect of Islam and it is duty of all Muslims which is compulsory on every one and if peaceful parties will be stopped than Extremism will rise up
 
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Well the tableeghys traditionally prided themselves on just being preachers...pious simple people. A key component is that they are NON POLITICAL. So if tableeghys have some bad apples in their ranks they the.culprits should be sanctioned not the whole thing. Same like any other organization that abides by the laws really
 
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This post is a perfect example of how people have to turn themselves into knots to explain twisted logic. I can't believe that people can't see the utter stupidity in the arguments.

So TJ is supporting terrorist organizations that are attacking Pakistan but at the same time don't want to take political stance, don't advocate Jihad against Israel (they have good reasons for this but I don't want to deviate) and focus on moral improvement of the muslims.

How twisted is that?

And for those who don't know, this is actually a copy paste from manifestos of Jihadi groups or militant muslims groups maligning TJ because they don't want "potential recruits" going to TJ. So they create propaganda against them so that the "potential recruits" can then join AQ or LeT or HuJI or what not and not "waste" their time with TJ.

After all the non-muslims like them and the foreign govt. have no problem with them ----so they must be bad.


Sorry to say somebozo, but you must realize that these Jihadi groups that wrote what you posted are the deviant groups and the core cause of maligning of Islam.

IGNORING THE MESSAGE OF ISLAM TO BE GIVEN TO THE KUFAAR: They address their message solely to Muslims, the vast majority of whom are as knowledgeable or more knowledgeable than they themselves are, ignoring the Kaafir populations among whom they move, who actually are the people to whom the message should be directed. Allah's words are frequently, and sometimes specifically, directed towards the Kufaar and the efforts of the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and the Companions (radiya'allahu 'anhum ajma'een) were devoted to conveying Islam to them (kuffar). Even when they visit the African townships, their only aim is to "convert" the poorer African Muslims (who have already reverted to Islam) to their brand of Islam. In fact, they do not even pass the message of Islam to the non-Muslims in the townships.

LARGE NUMBERS THAT ATTEND THE IJTIMA: If the leaders of the Tableeghi Jamaat are sincere, let them hold their next annual gathering on the East bank of Jordan and let them cross the river and march to Al-Quds and liberate it from Jewish/Zionist occupation. Let them hold their Ijtima near the Babri Masjid in India and counter-attack the might of Hindu extremist and capture the mosque. Lem them hold their Ijtima near the Shia' centre in Ottawa and take over the centre in defence of true Sunni beliefs. They would not! The Jamaat is only interested in increasing its number and wasting the energy of thousand and thousand of Muslims.

When the Tableeghi Jamaat is asked about their complete indifference to the dominance of the Kufaar, they say "We are not yet strong enough to do anything yet." Yet, they boast of the large numbers that attend their Ijtima's. The Quran says that if you are a hundred, steadfast, you will overcome two hundred and if there are a thousand of you, you will overcome two thousand by Allah's permission (Surah al-Anfal: 65-6). The Tableeghi Jamaat's lack of strength cannot be considered as a valid excuse.

And speaking about the mass Nikahs that take place at the Ijtimas, which is by the way, a meeting place of the rich upper class, the grooms are immediately shoved off to sleep in some mosque for 40 days. And after 40 days, these "spiritually enlightened" individuals qualify as Molvis!

TABLEEGHI JAMAATS ROLE IN KUFAAR COUNTRIES: The thousands of members of the Tableeghi Jamaat are utilising all their energy exclusively inwards towards other Muslims and leaves the Kaafir powers to pursue their Godless exploitation of the Muslims completely unimpeded. They have defined Jihad to be "spreading the Kalima of Allah and enforcing of Allah's Commandments." (Teachings of Islam). In the very same book, under the heading of "General Principles", the following point is made - "No controversial matter or points of secondary importance to be discussed at any time .... and confine all talk to the main points of Tabligh." Thus, a programme originally designed to ensure that the adherents of Tableeghi Jamaat did not come into conflict with the British authorities in India has now been extended to include all aspects of Kufaar domination in the world. The members of the Jamaat are actually forbidden to question it at all. No wonder the enemies of Islam are delighted.

This is the reason why the Tableeghi Jamaat moves freely in Kufaar countries in Europe and the rest of the world, while other Muslims are being imprisoned, tortured, and killed on a daily basis. In Israel, under Zionist control, the Jamaat is allowed free access to any part to do "Allah's Work" while Palestinian men, women and children, who are opposing Zionist rule, are tortured and killed.

It is also not surprising that under the Apartheid government in South Africa and under the cruel "State of Emergency" in which gatherings were restricted and carefully monitored under the vigilant eye of the then police force, the Ijtima's used to draw crowds of thousands of devotees - and there was not a single policeman in sight. It is obvious. With the type of Islam that they portrayed of being completely subservient to Kufaar politics and their rejection of Jihad in all its practical aspects, this Jamaat was not even considered as a threat. Not a word was uttered by the Jamaat's leaders condemning the then Apartheid regime. This is their policy throughout the world - do not condemn the Kufaar and the Kufaar governments!
 
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Well the tableeghys traditionally prided themselves on just being preachers...pious simple people. A key component is that they are NON POLITICAL. So if tableeghys have some bad apples in their ranks they the.culprits should be sanctioned not the whole thing. Same like any other organization that abides by the laws really

In Bangladesh, Tablighi Jamaat is known as the B-Team of Awami League. They advise people to stay away from Islamic parties but they don't tell people to stay away from Awami League.
 
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This post is a perfect example of how people have to turn themselves into knots to explain twisted logic. I can't believe that people can't see the utter stupidity in the arguments.

So TJ is supporting terrorist organizations that are attacking Pakistan but at the same time don't want to take political stance, don't advocate Jihad against Israel (they have good reasons for this but I don't want to deviate) and focus on moral improvement of the muslims.

How twisted is that?

And for those who don't know, this is actually a copy paste from manifestos of Jihadi groups or militant muslims groups maligning TJ because they don't want "potential recruits" going to TJ. So they create propaganda against them so that the "potential recruits" can then join AQ or LeT or HuJI or what not and not "waste" their time with TJ.

After all the non-muslims like them and the foreign govt. have no problem with them ----so they must be bad.


Sorry to say somebozo, but you must realize that these Jihadi groups that wrote what you posted are the deviant groups and the core cause of maligning of Islam.
Tableeghis are the prime cause of Muslim backwardness in India..created by the english to subdue large communities of backward agarian muslims and tolerated as well promoted by Nehru-Gandhi for the same purpose. Excuse me but I cannot deem a 40 year old tableegi mullah as islamic who marries a 16 yo then leave her alone at home with no money or food in a alien country to go on his 40 days chilla!

It is an understood fact that PA is the prime favourite of tableeghis for defamation and character assassination. I have myself attended many tableeghi gatherins with prime topic of "Pakistani army ke yahodiat parasti".

All Tableeghi mullahs are anti-Pakistan so why should an organization with an official agenda against Pakistan and its army be allowed to operate??

In Bangladesh, Tablighi Jamaat is known as the B-Team of Awami League. They advise people to stay away from Islamic parties but they don't tell people to stay away from Awami League.
The tableeghis have turned religion into a points scoring system where everyone concentrates into putting maximum number of days in "chilla" to scrore a position in the community. Its no different than the backward agrarian social propaganda groups often features in hindi serials exploring stories of the past.. Tableeghis are banned in Saudi Arabia for their heretic vision..below I post an extract from a website of Saudi propagation mission located in Al-Jouf, Saudi Arabia.

SOME FAMOUS READINGS OF EXPOSITION FROM GREAT MUJADDITH'S OF DEOBAND

1. Do not try to understand the Qur'ân ever. Else, you will go astray. Fifteen “Uloom” (sciences) are required to understand the Book.(“Maulana” Zakaria Kandhalwi, Fazael Amaal, p.2)

2. Do not read the Qur'ân with understanding, you will go astray. (Fazaael Aamal, “Maulana” Ashraf Ali Thanwi, p. 216)

It is mentioned in Aamaal-e-Qur'aani, p. 134 by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi [published by Jasim Book Depot, Urdu Bazaar, Jama Masjid, Delhi] that if a woman has excessive menstrual bleeding, the verse (Surah Al-'Imran: 3:144) should be written on three different pieces of paper, one tied on her right and the other on her left and the third piece of paper with the Qur'ânic verse to be hung below the naval. This verse of the Qur'aan, "Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful." [Surah Al-'Imran: 3:144]

3. Delaying prayer once will cause a person to burn in the hellfire for 20.88 million years, just because he or she failed to pray on exact time. (“Maulana” Zakaria Kandhalwi, Fazaael Namaz, p.317)

4. Recite the whole Qur'ân in one raka’ah like saints did! [That will amount to more than 50 times of the whole Qur'ân in a single day!](Fazaael Namaz p.64.) Saints recite 2,000 raka’ahs every day. They keep standing the full one month of Ramadhan reciting the Qur'ân twice a day! (Tableegh-I-Nisab Fazaael Aamal)

5. “Maulana” Ashraf Ali Thanwi separated the way of Salat between men and women in his book “Bahishti Zever.” (Masjid Tauheed, Karachi. Muhammad Sultan)

6. When Shah Waliullah was in his mother’s womb, she said a prayer. Two tiny hands (too) appeared for prayer. She was frightened. Her husband said, "You have Qutubul-Aqtab (Wali of Walis) in your womb (Hikayat-e-Awlia, p. 17 Ashraf Ali Thanwi) What a break-through!

7. Junaid Baghdadi was sitting when a dog crossed by. He merely glanced at the dog. The dog reached such glory that all dogs of the town followed him. Then he sat down and all dogs sat around him in meditation. (Ashraf Ali Thanwi. Imdad-ul- Mushtaq)

8. The holy messenger came to Shah Waliullah (in the 18 century!) and said, “Why do you worry? Your children are the same as mine.”(Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Hikayat-ul-Awlia)

9. The prophet laid the foundation of Darul-Uloom, Deoband, India (in the 19th century) He comes to check accounts of the school. He has learnt the Urdu language. (Mubasshirat-e-Darul Uloom, and Deoband Number of the Darul-Uloom)

10. Mulla Mohammad Qasim Nanotwi saw in his dream that he was sitting in the lap of Allaah. (Biography of Mulla Qasim by Mulla Mohammad Yaqoob Nanotwi)

11. The advent of another Prophet is quite possible. (Mulla Abdul Hai Farangi Mahli and Mulla Qasim Nanotwi, Tahzeer-in-Nas, p.34, Athar Ibn Abbas, p.16)
WHY BLAME MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI ONLY?

12. Disrespect to a monk is more perilous than disrespect to Allaah. (Mulla Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Al-Ashraf, p.23, Nov. 1991)

13. Dear reader, now read what p.154 “ Islam or Maslak Parasti” says: According to the Qur'ân anything dedicated to other than Allaah in forbidden. It is our maulvi mind who declare virtuous such things as Koondas of Ja’afar Sadiq, halwa of Shabe barat in the name of Owais Qarni, haleem and sherbet of Imam Hussain and Niaz of the 11th in the name of Jeelani!

14. Risala Tazkara of Darul-uloom Deoband of 1965 claims: Anyone suffering from malaria who took dust from the grave of “Maulana” Yaqoob Nanotwi and tied this dust to his body, found instant relief.

15. Allaah cuts jokes with the Ulama of Deoband. One of them went to a well for “Wudu” (Ablution) He lowered the bucket in the well. It came back full of silver. The Holy man said to Allaah: Don’t kid around! I am getting late for prayers. He lowered the bucket in again and this time it came back full of gold. (Risala Tazkara of Darul-uloom Deoband of April 1965)

16. In the night of Meraj (Ascension) Imam Ghazali rebuked Prophet Moses. Mohammed said, " Respect O' Ghazali!" (Malfoozat Haaji Imdaadullaah Muhaajir Makki, Imdad-ul- Mushtaq) by Ashraf Ali Thanwi.

[Please note that Ghazali was born centuries after passing away of the holy prophet]

17. Take the right arm of a goat after Friday prayers. Be completely naked. Write Sura Yasin and the name of the person you want, then put the meat in the cooking pot. That person will fall in love with you. (Monthly "Khalid" Deoband Darul Uloom)

18. If you want to kill your enemy write A to T on a piece of bread. Recite Surah "RA'AD.” Break the bread into five pieces and feed them to five dogs. Say to dogs, 'Eat the flesh of my enemy'. By the will of Allaah your enemy will have huge boils on his body. (Darul uloom Deoband "Khalid")

19. Say "Fazabooha" before you cut a melon, or any thing else (for that matter), you will find it sweet. (Aamale-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

20. Recite the verse "When the heaven will split.” Write it (on a piece of paper) and tie to the left thigh of any woman in labor, child birth will become easy. Cut the hair of that woman and
burn them between her thighs, childbirth will be easier still. (Aamal-e-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

21. During labor pains let the woman hold Mawatta Imam Malik for instant delivery. (Aamal-e-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

22. See what “Hakeemul Ummat” Thanwi says! Keep reciting "Al Mughni" during sex and the woman will love you. (same book, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

23.The prophet laid foundation of Darul-Uloom, Deoband, India (in the 19th century). He comes to check accounts of the school. He has learnt Urdu language. (Mubasshirat-e-Darul Uloom, and Deoband Number of the Darul-Uloom)

24. When, "Maulana" Zakaria, the father of "Maulana" Yousuf Bannuri would fall sick, the prophet would come. He told the house servant, "Badshah Khan! I (the holy prophet), am also serving Zakaria. (Bayyanat 1975 Ashraf Ali Thanwi p. 7)

25. The prophet said to sister-in-law of Haaji Imdaadullaah Muhajir Makki, "Get up! I will cook meals for guests of Imdaadullaah."(Bayyanat p. 8, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

26. “Maulana” Yousuf Ludhianwi taught a simple method to make interest (usury) Halal. Borrow from a non-Muslim. (Masaail-e-Jadeedah)

27. The wife of Mullah Jalaaluddin Rumi thought that his sexual desire had vanished. The Mullah came to know of her suspicion in a special trance of revelation (KASHF). That night he went to
the wife and drilled her 70 times. (Please excuse the language) So much so that she asked forgiveness. (Manaqib-il-Arifain, p.70, by Shamsuddin Akhlaqi)

Now please witness how far these Mujaddith's of Deoband can go! See what garbage Mulla Ashraf Ali Thanwi is trying to unload. The same Thanwi whom other Mullahs call “Hakeem-ul-Ummat”!

28. He writes on p.110 in “Imdaadul Mushtaq”: There was a true monotheist. People told him if delicious food is part of the person of Allaah and feces too is a part of Him, eat both. Well, the Sheikh first became a pig and ate feces. Then he became a human being and ate food! Isn’t that height of "wisdom" of our wise of the nation!”

29. Here is another pearl of wisdom from him: There was a Pir Sadiq from Ashraf Ali Thanwi’s town. He taught his disciples “There is no God but Allah and Sadiq is His messenger.” {Astaghfirullaah} The wise of the nation Thanwi declared that teaching OK. (Imane Khalis, p.109, Hazrat Masood Uthmani)

30. The holy messenger comes to Mulla Qasim Nanotwi and other big shots of Deoband, U.P to learn Urdu. He also checks accounts of the Madrasah. (Numerous references such as Haqaiq-o-Maarif, Deoband May 1975).

31. "Maulana” Yousuf Bannuri writes: The Prophet told my father, Zakaria! When you fall sick I also fall sick. Hazrat Ali had come to conduct the marriage of my father and mother. (In the 19th century!) (Iman-e-Khalis, pp. 7 and 8, Hazrat Masooduddin Usmani, Fazil Uloom Deenia)

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Another eye opener of tableeghi role in Pakistani:

Yet, the Pakistani experience strips the patina from Tablighi Jamaat's façade. Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif [1990-93; 1997-99], whose father was a prominent Tablighi member and financier, helped Tablighi members take prominent positions. For example, in 1998, Muhammad Rafique Tarar took the ceremonial presidency while, in 1990, Javed Nasir assumed the powerful director-generalship of the Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan's chief intelligence agency. When Benazir Bhutto, less sympathetic to Islamist causes, returned to the premiership in 1993, Tablighis conspired to overthrow her government. In 1995, the Pakistani army thwarted a coup attempt by several dozen high-ranking military officers and civilians, all of whom were members of the Tablighi Jamaat and some of whom also held membership in Harakat ul-Mujahideen, a U.S. State Department-defined terrorist organization. Some of the confusion over Tablighi Jamaat's apolitical characterization derives from the fact that the movement does not consider individual states to be legitimate. They may not become actively involved in internal politics or disputes over local issues, but, from a philosophical and transnational perspective, the Tablighi Jamaat's millenarian philosophy is very political indeed. According to the French Tablighi expert Marc Gaborieau, its ultimate objective is nothing short of a "planned conquest of the world" in the spirit of jihad.
 
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The Tableeg has not been proscribed or has it been?

It is only a social and philanthropic organization as far as I know.

No sir it is an essential part of the religion..How do you think a religion 1400 years old is still going strong? If it wasn't for preaching..(Tabligh)
Same goes for Christianity and many other established religions..all preach,way of preaching is different..
Currently Islam is going through similar phase as Christianity went through and didn't survive..Christianity was linked to war and death after crusades and people stopped practicing it...still in Europe if you ask Patrick or john or Clair why they don't practice Christianity despite having Christian names..their answer would be...religion causes wars and conflict..keep away from it..
same is being said for Islam now
 
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In Bangladesh, Tablighi Jamaat is known as the B-Team of Awami League. They advise people to stay away from Islamic parties but they don't tell people to stay away from Awami League.

I am surprised if they mention politics in their preachings? it is not normal...
 
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Stll the same,nothing has changed..Last week Haji Abdul wahaab (Their grand leader) visited Britain and i went to see him and listen to his speech..It was great..and guess what..the British authorities had no problem ever with him....and he is in their good books...
All deobandis are not Taliban, but why all Taliban are deobandis?

first show the assets of Zardari gang , all the useless politicians & $$$ loving Generals.......
What a funny logic, if zardari is wrong then TJ will also adopt wrong? Strange
 
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you prophet did Tableeghi and Allah said it is furze if you do not do that and you pray five time and become former you will be destroyed wait for punishment from allah as you see all your leaders are tyrant and bad people
 
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Tabligh is done to NON MUSLIMS , how can u make a muslim, muslim again?

Tabligh is propagation of Islam, right? so why they.come to my house wach week? to make.me.muslim again and again and again? or is it some other hidden agenda?
 
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These are agent of shaitan spreading corruption in this Muslim communities.
They don't preach Islam to non believers but to only Muslim and spreading misinformation and doubts in common less educated Muslim who thinks he is going to jannah by following these corrupt sold out mullah.
 
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