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T90 Compared with Al Khalid

lol, empty head, you take your 1000hp equipped t-90s and run over my head since your chamber is empty. :rofl:
Back up your claims nothing else .... go live in your dreams.... don't talk until your dreams don't have source. :sleep::sleep: happy dreaming..... we have seen all big mouth like one muslims equal to 10 hindus and bla bla and but end result was not as per your dreams.
 
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lol that is your SOUCE ..... oh man........ If you have source then tell or else keep dreaming.

like PAK missiles reached on MARS ... i read in books and also one guy admit PAK missiles reach mars and have bases their. :haha::haha::haha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
lol, already told you when India Signed the Contact it was with 1000HP ,and T-90S was designed with 840 but production of 1000 bhp is started by 2000 , so all 840 was replaced by 1000 HP.
with same name t-90S

T90A/S was developed in 1999 , And 1000bhp engine developed in 2000. and India sign contact in 2001 with 1000 bhp/ .

BTW this is not updated since 1999....
 
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Again you Missed the POINT ..

A) 1000BHP engine production started in 2000

B) Testing on tank happend in 1999 with 800 HP because 1000 is not available and found not major reason to go or f T-90 instead of T-72

C) Contract signed for T-90S with 1000 HP engine in 2001

Is their any thing which id difficult to understand? I am saying no 1000 HP engine before 1999.
 
yes the early Bhishma versions HAD 840hp engine, in fact, more than 150 tanks had this engine which is only now BEING replaced with V-92 1000 hp engine. Still, there is no 1250hp engine in the t-90MS.



Appreciated Sir, just trying my bit :)

Off coarse not, it has 1130 HP engine............

An automatic transmission equals "superior"? You obviously have no experience with transmissions or driving, an automatic transmission is easier for the driver but is usually considered inferior. Manual transmissions deliver better fuel consumption and usually better acceleration(not always), not to mention they last longer and are easier to repair. There is a reason heavy haul vehicles such as semi trucks all have manual transmission and not automatic. As for 1000hp being superior to 1200hp, yes it is better to have 200 more hp but that in no way means that the engine is better. There is a thing called power curve, usable power, and torque. For a heavy vehicle torque is very important, it is what what gets tanks to pull out of heavy mud, ascend steep hills and pull it's weight. Being a 6 cylinder, i very much question how much torque the Al-Khalid has especially because it uses a supercharger which delivers power throughout the rpm range but also robs engine power just to power the supercharger. Think about it, a 6 cylinder engine drawing a good percent of power just to power the supercharger. The 1200hp is at the top end of the engine, it is not often usable, most tanks will not break 1000ph often, so what matters is where the power curve lies with both hp and torque. Ever heard the term gutless engines, it is in reference to engines that have little usable power in the lower RPM range, believe it or not vehicles with less power can often times beat vehicles with more power due to one car having a linear power curve while the other has a higher RPG power curve that is less often used, or in other words the weaker engine creates more power in certain ranges.










You can't even remember what what you argue, every time you even mention T-90 you boasted of Al-Khalid being superior in the last thread, and you did it just above where i quoted you.













You are using a T-72BU from 20+ years ago as a basis to judge the T-90--this is an example of your dishonest and or effort to distract the readers. One can simply research your claims to establish that your claims are empty. The basic T-90s definitely has and had a fire control, it's called the 1A4GT but of course you knew this since later on you admitted that much yourself, so the tactic of mentioning the T-72 is just to distract the readers and woo people by longer post when in reality your posts are empty. Also mind providing a source backing your claim that the T-90 or T-72 used a "simple calculator"?

I won't hold my breath, in the mean time even a simple calculator is a computer. A ballistics computer calculates range, elevation, windage, cant, ect. This is how all ballistic computers work, something you clearly did not know. So don't forget, provide a credible source about this "simple calculator".













Pal, the Al-Khalid interior is itself cramped, who are you trying to kid, the Al-Khalids turret is not even in the same league as Abrams or Leopard in the size compartment, it's not even in the same league as the T-90SM. As for the T-90SM interior--the commander has about the same room as a Abrams commander, so i'm not sure where you are getting at with "(it) still shows it is crampy"













The T-90 crew can move around just fine, each individual does a job located in their compartment, obviously there is disadvantages to large turrets such as weight penalties and being a large target, but i digress, the Al-Khalid has a small turret so i'm not sure why you keep bringing up the size of turrets as if the Al-Khalid has any bragging room in this regard especially when compared to the T-90AM. As for the Type-90 being a 50+ "behemoth"-----it weighs 50 tonns, :rolleyes1:













Technically the T-90 does have a hunter-killer mode and panoramic site, remember when you said the T-90 is just a T-72, well the T-72B3 has this ability, but why bother, your tactics are easy to see, you quote T-72s and the oldest T-90 when debating the T-90 only when it suits you, this is called selective arguing. It's well known that Indian and Russian T-90s have considerable upgrades over the base T-90.










I just got off a 12 hour shift after doing this thing called sleeping. :rolleyes1: As for dazzler, please keep appreciating him, while he makes fanboy claims such as the Al-Khalid is better because it has automatic transmission and 200hp more. While i explain in detail the actual differences in transmission types and the usable power bands/torque of engines.









Only moderators are aloud to change titles after a thread is posted, if you actually bothered reading threw the thread, and checking the first post you would see that it was a moderator that changed the title.





Yes the T-80 has thicker armor then the T-90 :rolleyes1: hence you posted a picture with i diagram that you can not even read, and the second diagram has nothing to do with armor thickness, typical tactic, you are flooding the thread with information you do not even understand in an attempt to look smart.



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Because He is interested only in India Bashing and Trolling.

But guess what when he and his likes are absent on Agni 5 and IRNSS related threads. :rofl:
 
Off coarse not, it has 1130 HP engine............



Because He is interested only in India Bashing and Trolling.

But guess what when he and his likes are absent on Agni 5 and IRNSS related threads. :rofl:

Pathetic, the t-90 is strictly a Russian military product with zero indian input but you folks like to think everything you use is Indian. same is the case with the MKI. the fact is that you have zero intellectual property rights on either of the two, which remains with the Russia, the OEM of both.

So if you dont have anything useful to contribute, which is pretty evident, go back to your own backyard while you can.

Again you Missed the POINT ..

A) 1000BHP engine production started in 2000

B) Testing on tank happend in 1999 with 800 HP because 1000 is not available and found not major reason to go or f T-90 instead of T-72

C) Contract signed for T-90S with 1000 HP engine in 2001

Is their any thing which id difficult to understand? I am saying no 1000 HP engine before 1999.

so? what am i saying? all i said is initial indian 90S tanks had 840hp engine, and old model cast turrets instead of the new welded turrets that came later with the next batch. In fact, 300 old t-90S models still have the same engines. What is so difficult to understand here. Since you asked for your beloved internet proofs, which i provided, now you are looking to escape. Go ahead ;)
 
Only moderators are aloud to change titles after a thread is posted, if you actually bothered reading threw the thread, and checking the first post you would see that it was a moderator that changed the title.
Well, I am not a moderator but I can change the title of my posts. I call BS.
 
Pathetic, the t-90 is strictly a Russian military product with zero indian input but you folks like to think everything you use is Indian. same is the case with the MKI. the fact is that you have zero intellectual property rights on either of the two, which remains with the Russia, the OEM of both.

So if you dont have anything useful to contribute, which is pretty evident, go back to your own backyard while you can.



so? what am i saying? all i said is initial indian 90S tanks had 840hp engine, and old model cast turrets instead of the new welded turrets that came later with the next batch. In fact, 300 old t-90S models still have the same engines. What is so difficult to understand here. Since you asked for your beloved internet proofs, which i provided, now you are looking to escape. Go ahead ;)

When did I say T 90 is Indian?

I was merely saying that T 90 MS has 1130 HP engine while agreeing with you.
 
so? what am i saying? all i said is initial indian 90S tanks had 840hp engine, and old model cast turrets instead of the new welded turrets that came later with the next batch. In fact, 300 old t-90S models still have the same engines. What is so difficult to understand here. Since you asked for your beloved internet proofs, which i provided, now you are looking to escape. Go ahead ;)

This is what i am trying to explain , T-90S has changed in 2001, what are you referring in t-90S ver. before 1999 and i n Sign Deal with T-90S ver.2001 which has Welded Turrets and 1000 bhp engines.

In 1999 , old T-90S came for testing which was rejected by Army.

By 2000 Russian started production of 1000 HP engines and also started fitting them in all vehicles.
 
This is what i am trying to explain , T-90S has changed in 2001, what are you referring in t-90S ver. before 1999 and i n Sign Deal with T-90S ver.2001 which has Welded Turrets and 1000 bhp engines.

In 1999 , old T-90S came for testing which was rejected by Army.

By 2000 Russian started production of 1000 HP engines and also started fitting them in all vehicles.

300 old cast turret and 840hp engine variants are still in service mate. They were never sent back and were inducted after trials in a hurry. And they came in semi knocked down kits. the worst part is they still have the same specifications including the old engines and turrets. The problem is that these tanks have the narrow engine bay which can only house the 840 hp engine, not the bigger 1000hp engine

Even worse, the HVF does not have the capability to install improved welded turret since neither they have the technology nor the skill to mold such a refined turret model. They will have to contact UKBTM, the turret maker in Russia.
 
Pathetic, the t-90 is strictly a Russian military product with zero indian input but you folks like to think everything you use is Indian. same is the case with the MKI. the fact is that you have zero intellectual property rights on either of the two, which remains with the Russia, the OEM of both.

So if you dont have anything useful to contribute, which is pretty evident, go back to your own backyard while you can.



so? what am i saying? all i said is initial indian 90S tanks had 840hp engine, and old model cast turrets instead of the new welded turrets that came later with the next batch. In fact, 300 old t-90S models still have the same engines. What is so difficult to understand here. Since you asked for your beloved internet proofs, which i provided, now you are looking to escape. Go ahead ;)

Abay bhai, kin jahilon ke saath larr rahe ho?
 
@Donatello bro looks like we need to trigger indopak war in order to find out actual winner, t90 or alkhLid........man they know a lot about tanks......
 

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