T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[Sulman Badshah]

Thought Pakistan making tanks has the ability to design and build them.

ability in making i say yes .. engine making , advance fcs and optronics are problem

designing a new tank can take years to materialize

 

[FunkyGen]

By failed I mean our military does not see them as reliable as Ukraine or Russian counterparts.
The al khalid survived because we did our own customization and redesigning. Or else the mbt 2000 for china is a failure.

sir that failry means what basel has said to be true to a certain extent... the base tank was lacking...
chinese for some reason don't seem to be interested in tank manufacturing... their emphasis is towards crafts and helis...

 

[cabatli_53]

Oplets were put into a strong field trials against Western tanks like Leopard 2A6, Leclerc in Turkey. Turkish officials know the minues/plus sides of Oplets. Altay is the product of such field experiences gained on those trials.

I am going to share the images of Oplets fielded in Turkey.

Oplet and Leo

Oplet, Leo and Leclerc in winter trials in Turkey

Oplet

 

[Skyliner]

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The oplot M has been considerd over the MBT 3000. It is official that Pakistan will not pursue the MB-3000

Certain change will be made.Allow me to further explain. The Ukrainians have offered the tank a standard version.

Our demand

Or

Plus Demand of local manufacturing of spare parts.

When I say local yes I say with confidance that we have demanded that 60% of the components be made in Pakistan.

Now can you please disclose the other two competitors with the MBT3000 and Oplot

 

[Kompromat]

Looks great, it's still being evaluated though right?
I feel we are better off going with the Turks and Altay, which is turning out to be a beast.

Too heavy.

 

[kaonalpha]

Now can you please disclose the other two competitors with the MBT3000 and Oplot

It a T-?? Happy though we can get them but lets see they should be arriving in december.

 

[Zarvan]

You expect a link this early. Please the reason I uploaded the above picss are because they have overcome the trials In Bhawalpur. The MBT-3000 failed. Plus order from above not to encourage chinese at all.

Not to encourage Chinese ? What do you mean ? @kaonalpha

 

[TheFlyingPretzel]

@Icarus

Thought it appropriate to tag you.

 

[cabatli_53]

Too heavy.

Bro, Being Heavier is the choice of brain team since they believe on benefits of heavier tanks compared with 45-50 tonnes equivalents. Israeli Merkava are also following similar ways on developments, since Each blocks of Merkava revealed with additional weight and Finally, They reached around 65 tonnes on MK-4 series(3-5 tonnes additional weight). It is more or less same weight of Altay. I think Heavier tanks will be better for Pakistan as long as They are not used on soft and highly mountainous grounds. IFV's equipped with heavier calbre guns/having less pressure effect under the pallets are more suitable for such mountainous regions.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

It a T-?? Happy though we can get them but lets see they should be arriving in december.

If Chinese then T-99G probably or if Russian which is in my opinion for now highly unlikely although our relations are warming up but still need time so I will be surprise with an Armata or a 90 series with our bespoke customisation .

 

[Sulman Badshah]

I think Heavier tanks will be better for Pakistan as long as They are not used on soft and highly mountainous grounds.

agreed ... heavy shouldn't be a problem since india is operating arjun on almost same soil and deserts

 

[Zarvan]

It a T-?? Happy though we can get them but lets see they should be arriving in december.

You are confusing here If they have not arrived than they are not tested yet so are you saying we are looking for two Tanks

 

[Kompromat]

Bro, Being Heavier is the choice of brain team since they believe on benefits of heavier tanks compared with 45-50 tonnes equivalents. Israeli Merkava are also following similar ways on developments, since Each blocks of Merkava revealed with additional weight and Finally, They reached around 65 tonnes on MK-4 series(3-5 tonnes additional weight). It is more or less same weight of Altay. I think Heavier tanks will be better for Pakistan as long as They are not used on soft and highly mountainous grounds. IFV's equipped with heavier calbre guns/having less pressure effocts on ground are more suitable for such mountainous regions.

I am sorry, i meant that Altay is too heavy for Pakistan's topographical area of operations which includes shallow slug infested river deltas and extremely saturated soil which makes it difficult for Tank that size to operate, this is why Pakistan goes with below 50t class of tanks.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Bro, Being Heavier is the choice of brain team since they believe on benefits of heavier tanks compared with 45-50 tonnes equivalents. Israeli Merkava are also following similar ways on developments, since Each blocks of Merkava revealed with additional weight and Finally, They reached around 65 tonnes on MK-4 series(3-5 tonnes additional weight). It is more or less same weight of Altay. I think Heavier tanks will be better for Pakistan as long as They are not used on soft and highly mountainous grounds. IFV's equipped with heavier calbre guns/having less pressure effect under the pallets are more suitable for such mountainous regions.

As I have following this weight thingy I believe all this additional weight increase its armour protection with indeed some sophistication in subsystems as well but primarily a tank means protection and precision attack under direct fire. So by going that logic we must need to develop infrastructure for some heavy weights as well because times in future are bringing in our all time allies making these at their home.

 

[kaonalpha]

You are confusing here If they have not arrived than they are not tested yet so are you saying we are looking for two Tanks

It Is called business

 

[Audio]

I will be very surprised if this will materialize.
Politics and all....not only do Chinese "expect" you to buy theirs, the Russians might have a word or two, commenting on Pakistan buying from Ukraine. SCO membership means some concessions will have to be made. Probably.

Tank looks good though, like the rugged look of it.