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T-80 and T-84 Main Battle Tanks Information pool

All right guys, the thread is open. Ive posted the links and quoted the different data I had come across regarding the t-80ud. Now the forum has a dedicated t80ud thread as well as the ak info pool thread

happy posting:)

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T-80UD is a good Tank. Is it possible for us to upgrade it to Oplot standard?
 
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The Ak turret has many design flaws.and it need a turret similar to our t-80ud or olpot

cant we just make a deal with Ukraine to either design us or give us a tot for manufacturing and basing off the turret off t-80ud/Oplot on our Al khalid?
 
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Functions of explosive reactive armor «Duplet»

Explosive reactive armour modules «Duplet» are designed for protection of stationary objects and combat armored vehicles from armor-piercing shells, hollow charge hitting means and self-formed striking hollow-charge shells of “striking cannon-ball” type.

Application of explosive reactive armor «Duplet»

«Duplet» modules can be applied as part of built-in and mounted armor of tanks and light-armored vehicles.

If a grenade hits part of the combat vehicle protected with “Duplet” modules, fractures of the vehicle armor are excluded.

Installation of “Reactive armor” system with “Duplet” modules increases level of tank protection from hollow-charge and kinetic hitting means by 2-3 times.

Setup and operating principle of «Duplet» modules

«Duplet» modules can be replaced with “Contact” explosive reactive armor elements in proportion 1:2. One «Duplet» module is installed into a standard bed for installation of reactive armor of any construction instead of two 4S20 and 4S22 elements.

Decreased explosive effect of «Duplet» modules on the armor along with new construction of bed for installation of modules on the vehicle allows to upgrade survivability of explosive reactive armor by 2 times in comparison with “Contact” system.

Operation of «Duplet» system does not require special preparation before operation, maintenance and repair.

Installation of “Explosive reactive armor” «Duplet» modules increases level of tank protection from hollow-charge and kinetic shells by 1.5-2.5 when compared with best world analogues of explosive reactive armor like «Contact» and «Blazer».

Reactive armor based on «Duplet» modules favorably differs from the best world analogues in:

- Increased level of protection by 1,5 – 2,5 times;

- Ability to securely protect from all types of anti-tank means, primarily from armor-piercing subcaliber shells and self-formed striking submunitions of “striking cannonball” type;

- High reliability of elements operation;

- Protection from armor-piercing shells of small caliber guns;

- Security under fire of all caliber of bullets and fragmentation;

- Increased resistance to high temperatures and humidity.

- Generality of application on all types of combat vehicles;



Operation of «Duplet» modules

When the hollow-charge shell is approaching the vehicle, the cumulative stream initiates the elements inside the 'Duplet' module; each element is forming a directed stream of explosion fragments. Influencing the cumulative stream, the directed flows of explosion break the stream down into separate fragments, therefore damaging its integrity and continuity. This results in significant decrease and sometimes to full absence of armor-piercing effect of hollow –charge hitting means.

The explosive reactive armor based on ' Duplet ' modules installed on the basic tank, provides protection from 120 and 125 mm armor-piercing subcaliber shells from a distance of 100 m, hollow charge grenades, artillery hollow charge shells, anti-tank guided and unguided missiles, and subminitions of «striking cannonball» type.





Explosive reactive armor based on «Duplet» modules has been accepted to the arsenal of Ukraine.

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The Ak turret has many design flaws.and it need a turret similar to our t-80ud or olpot

cant we just make a deal with Ukraine to either design us or give us a tot for manufacturing and basing off the turret off t-80ud/Oplot on our Al khalid?

A word of advise for you, dont buy too much of *** "experts" they are nothing but tank sim players with a fantsay of theoritical comparisons, not to mention their pixel measurements. :lol:

Ukrainians appreciated AK turret design and suggested it may be the way it is. Unless you or anyone know the flaws of the turret, dont recommend things you have o idea about. We already have too much of Ukrainian involvement in AK and AZ projects but what we read on internet is just engine and transmission usually. In reality, tt goes all the way to armour and tank ammunition etc.

Thing about it, IF AK and Chinese turrets had such a flaw,,why on earth would they be persuing it, that too for multiple upgrades and batches (China, 99, 99G, A, A2 etc)? You think Both Chinese and Pakistanis are that stupid and a bunch of SIM fanatics know more? There is plenty of amour gone in it and the theory of 60 deg vulnerability is more of a fantasy UNLESS proven in the battlefield.

All i saw was 60 deg protected turrets of T-72s, T-80BVs blown up into pieces by single HEAT or average APFSDS rounds.

I recommend you read Anderi bt and Lidsky M on that forum if you need real technical information. Rest are Polish born Yankee wannabees.

Are the PA t-80uds fitted with the same FCS?

Originally they were fitted with 1A46 mated with Buran imager but since 2005-06 it is known that TI is catherine fitted locally but, FCS the same or improved, is a mystery.
 
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@Dazzler - Why would the Ukrainians help us 'that much' ? We haven't any money anyhow ! :unsure:
 
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@Dazzler - Why would the Ukrainians help us 'that much' ? We haven't any money anyhow ! :unsure:

the help is not a charity or noble cause but money has been among the causes. They have been warm towards us since the famous UD deal. Those were real crunch times of CIS states, particularly Ukraine.

No matter how a designer/ manufacturer you are, you still need recognition. Morozov was a brilliant designer but he was overshadowed by others such as Kastrev and Potkin.

Thats why Ukrainians owe us something since it was the UD deal that made the Ukrainian industry famous as an independant tank/ armour manufacturer which was no longer under the shadow of former Soviet Union.
 
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All i saw was 60 deg protected turrets of T-72s, T-80BVs blown up into pieces by single HEAT or average APFSDS rounds.

Not going to restart this all over again,but t-72 monkey models,crewed by jokers,without ERA and being picked off at ranges by the FCS of m1a1 that they can't even respond at,nor do they have ammo to penetrate abrams is just a poor example and has nothing to do with turret geometry. Turret geometry is no good if opposition can penetrate ur frontal armour itself from ranges u can't respond.As for those lost to HEAT rpgs and ATGMS,even merkavas lost many,and even some abrams.Tanks are not suited for urban combat.Frontal armour was not penetrated.So really poor examples which have nothing to do with the turret geometry argument.
 
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Not going to restart this all over again,but t-72 monkey models,crewed by jokers,without ERA and being picked off at ranges by the FCS of m1a1 that they can't even respond at,nor do they have ammo to penetrate abrams is just a poor example and has nothing to do with turret geometry. Turret geometry is no good if opposition can penetrate ur frontal armour itself from ranges u can't respond.As for those lost to HEAT rpgs and ATGMS,even merkavas lost many,and even some abrams.Tanks are not suited for urban combat.Frontal armour was not penetrated.So really poor examples which have nothing to do with the turret geometry argument.

You answered your own question regarding geometry friend.

Thanks for agreeing :D
 
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You answered your own question regarding geometry friend.

Thanks for agreeing :D

I didn't agree.Because in a t-90 vs khalid duel,none will enjoy the advantages enjoyed by abrams over monkey t-72s.In such a close contest turret geometry is very useful advantage.:)
 
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