Syrian Kurds say they will 'chart roadmap to decentralized Syria' with Damascus

[Zhukov]

Not gonna happen. Syria, Turkey and Iran will never allow Kurds any independence.
In fact after what they did their best chances to live peacefully is to Join Damascus in case Damascus takes responsibility on behalf of Kurds and Satisfy Turkish Concerns for Kurdish insurgency.
They are just over estimating their influence just because USA and Israel are with them for the time.
Kurds have no future without Damascus protection if they wish to be saved from the Kraken from the North (Turkey)

 

[Saif al-Arab]

your logic is flawed ,because instead of population percentage , you use total population


just looking at the Iraq and Iran Army strength before and after the war tell you ho much help each country recieved .
About purchase of arms ,in the shah era . he bought a lot , but for example each f-14 need 24h of maintenance for 8 h of flight.
at the onset of war Iran Iraq
Tank----------------------2100(500)---------------2800
Fighter/Bomber-----------485(100)----------------380
Helicopter -------------------750--------------------350
Soldiers--------------------150000----------------200000
APC--------------------------1000-------------------4000
Artillery-----------------300(Operable)--------------1200
in 1982
Tank---------------------------700------------------1200
Fighter/Bomber---------------350-------------------450
Helicopter --------------------700-------------------180
Soldiers--------------------350000----------------175000
APC--------------------------2700-------------------2300
Artillery-----------------------400--------------------400
and after that the help for Iraq begin and at the end of war
Tank-------------------------1000------------------~5000
Fighter/Bomber-------------60-80------------------900
Helicopter -------------------750--------------------350
Soldiers--------------------600000----------------1500000
APC--------------------------800-----------------8500-10000
Artillery-----------------------600------------------->6000

that's what it s written in Wikipedia , so you can't compare the amount of support both country received. about the casualties,well its expected just by looking at the amount of artillery and and use of chemical weapon by one side.


it depends on what you call religion , when you see neanderthals ritually buried their dead then thats also a sign of religion , I believe religion date far older than that ,but I think the oldest sign of religion in modern human available now is remain of a body cremated and buried near lake mungo from 40000 years ago and also there are Anthropomorphic sculpture from 38000 years ago

What is flawed about using absolute numbers? It's all that matters. There are 5 times as many Kurds in Iran and Turkey as there are in Iraq and Syria. Kurds are not native to Northeastern Syria nor Northern Iraq. They have greater ancestral ties to eastern Anatolia and Northwestern Iran.

You forget that the Iranian army prior to 1980 was the most heavily armed in the region due to the Shah being the biggest buyer of Western weaponry.

You also forget that Iran is 3.5 times larger than Iraq and that Iran had a 2.5 times larger population. Whatever help Iraq received during the war from outsiders (financial or direct military aid) was to level the playing field. Iran received financial aid and military aid from abroad as well.

Let us be honest. Without your air force (Western tech) Iraq would have had a far easier time and might have invaded deep into Iran.

Organized and complex religions. Religious rituals even monkeys (supposedly) do. Don't tell us much.

Arabs are semetic people, not caucasian. Just look at their noses.

Yes, and Semitic people are part of what race genius? Negroids, Mongoloids, Dravidians? Or Caucasian? In fact the original Caucasian race as per Science Magazine and the article that I posted. The genes that dictate white skin color originated in the Arab Near East. You do the math.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

As for noses, Semites and Arabs as a whole have aquiline noses similar to roman noses. There is no difference.

You are confusing that with Armenoid noses (the large ones) which are a typical trait among Iranian/people of Caucasus and Turkey mostly. It is also found in the Arab world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race

The Arabid and Roman noses are the most similar.



House of Saud members have Armenid noses for instance.

While Hashemites of Hijaz had/have typical Arabid noses.

Not gonna happen. Syria, Turkey and Iran will never allow Kurds any independence.
In fact after what they did their best chances to live peacefully is to Join Damascus in case Damascus takes responsibility on behalf of Kurds and Satisfy Turkish Concerns for Kurdish insurgency.
They are just over estimating their influence just because USA and Israel are with them for the time.
Kurds have no future without Damascus protection if they wish to be saved from the Kraken from the North (Turkey)

It was never going to happen in Syrai where they number between 1.5-2 million people. This is a joke, quite frankly. They are only the majority in tiny Northeastern Syria and some towns and villages in the North. Americans/Western Europeans (since they are in love with them) might want to create another Barzanistan in Syria but hopefully this will not be allowed. In any case growing Arab birth rates in Iraq (in particularly) and Syria will make them completely irrelevant within at most 2 decades. Barzanistan is already flooded by Arabs.

 

[Sineva]

Saddam should have actually continued the war in 1988, at the end of the war Iraq wielded a very large force in number of combat aircraft, helicopters and tanks whilst Iran's military was depleted. He could have advanced on Khuzestan but failed policies once again. The objective is to at least capture what can be captured to use it for bargaining if anything, instead he only retook Al Faw peninsula and signed the cease fire. It was a wrong war in the first place evoked out of IRI's vision but when you wield the upper hand why sign the ceasefire whilst you're at it, Khomeini signed the ceasefire in 1988 after Iraq retook Al Faw and captured a town 30KM in Iranian territory as he realized he would not last this time. BIG MISTAKE OF SADDAM once again.

Saddams iraq was bankrupted and bled white by 1988 and that was with the combined support of the arabs,the soviets and the west.Saddamn had only been able to recover his lost territory by literally drafting everyone he could into the military,remember the worlds 4th largest army on the eve of desert storm?,not to mention the massive debts that he had accumulated.In addition the iranians showed they were still a force to be reckoned with when they utterly destroyed the iraqi backed mek force that tried a half witted "invasion" of iran just after the cease fire.The iranians big mistake was not initiating the use of chemical weapons once saddam had started it,the use of those weapons offensively might have made a huge difference in 86/87 and at the very least would have shown the iraqis that they would gain little advantage by there use.
In the end saddam was damn lucky just to survive,but the enormous cost to the iraqis both then and later on would ultimately prove to be utterly staggering.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Saddams iraq was bankrupted and bled white by 1988 and that was with the combined support of the arabs,the soviets and the west.Saddamn had only been able to recover his lost territory by literally drafting everyone he could into the military,remember the worlds 4th largest army on the eve of desert storm?,not to mention the massive debts that he had accumulated.In addition the iranians showed they were still a force to be reckoned with when they utterly destroyed the iraqi backed mek force that tried a half witted "invasion" of iran just after the cease fire.The iranians big mistake was not initiating the use of chemical weapons once saddam had started it,the use of those weapons offensively might have made a huge difference in 86/87 and at the very least would have shown the iraqis that they would gain little advantage by there use.
In the end saddam was damn lucky just to survive,but the enormous cost to the iraqis both then and later on would ultimately prove to be utterly staggering.

There was no "combined support" of any Arabs other than a few GCC states. That's all. If that was the case (if you are talking about actual military involvement and full support) Iran would have been conquered within 1 year.

Iran had support from oil and gas rich Libya and Syria and numerous other countries. In fact the country whose forum this is about (Pakistan) supported the Mullah's.

Saddam was lucky to survive but not Khomeini whose country and people suffered more than Iraq from the invasion. Great logic.

The same Khomeini who prolonged the war with 6 years just because, lol. Maybe he wanted more Iranian youth and children with keys around them (to Karbala) to perish and to create more "martyr families" so he later could start a birth campaign and Iran's population could skyrocket at almost Indian levels.

Notice when the graph is going overboard.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

If the Revolution was delayed by even one year then Saddam would never have invaded: just prior to the Revolution the Shah agreed huge weapons deals with the US to import hundreds of F-16s and with the UK to import 2000 Chieftain tanks - both deals were cancelled when the Revolution happened.

Then obviously the hostage crisis led to huge US sanctions against Iran, so procuring spare parts and maintaining the American weapons (F-14, F-4 etc) became a big problem.

At the end of the day, Saddam invaded Iran hoping to annex Khuzestan within weeks, but he failed all his objectives so the invasion was a failure and Iraq lost the war.

Iran's mistake was fighting on post-1982, they had managed to fully defeat the invasion but decided to fight on. This caused both world superpowers to fully come down on the Iraqi side to prevent it from falling to Iran - by any means necessary (including aiding/tolerating the worst use of chemical weapons since WW1).

As for the Kurds, they are the w*ores of the Middle East (unfortunately, I quite like the Kurds myself) and after being pumped and dumped by the US and Israel and screwed by the Iraqi Government, they are going to seek a peaceful settlement with the Syrian Government because they have no other choice.

 

[T-Rex]

lol.........this is just hilarious, black eyes and blonde *** and Mongols.

Iran will decide here what will happen in NE Syria.

Are you embarrassed that your buddy @undertakerwwefan is a Nazi freak? To a 'genius' like him everything boils down to being white and having blue eyes.

 

[Tokhme khar]

I don't see a problem here. He's Chinese btw.......and entitled to his opinion, just like all the closet wahabbi terrorist lovers here.

Are you embarrassed that your buddy @undertakerwwefan is a Nazi freak? To a 'genius' like him everything boils down to being white and having blue eyes.

 

[HAIDER]

BEIRUT (Reuters) - A Syrian Kurdish group said on Saturday it had decided with the government to “chart a roadmap to a democratic and decentralized Syria”, but there was no immediate confirmation from Damascus.

Relations between the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad and the Kurdish-led administration in the northeast, the two sides that hold the most territory in Syria, have been pivotal in the course of the seven-year-old civil war.

However, while they have mostly avoided direct conflict, they have articulated sharply opposing visions for the future, with the Kurds seeking autonomy in a decentralized state, and Damascus wanting to restore full central control.

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Council (SDC) said it and the government had decided to “form committees on various levels” to develop negotiations, end the violence engulfing Syria and chart a roadmap to democracy and decentralization.

It said it met Syrian government officials in Damascus this week at Assad’s invitation after initial meetings in Tabqa on the Euphrates river that focused on restoring local services.

The SDC is the political wing of the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which gained control of the quarter of Syria east of the Euphrates, an area that includes farmland and oil and water resources, during the fight against Islamic State.

The talks pointed to moves by the Kurdish-led authorities to seek a deal with Assad to preserve their autonomy as he regained most rebel areas with Russian and Iranian help while they have grown wary of their unpredictable U.S. ally.

Assad has sworn to regain “every inch” of Syria but said in May for the first time that he was “opening doors” for talks with the SDF, while also threatening force. He has described the Kurdish administration’s democratic bodies in the northeast as “temporary structures”.

“It’s hard to see how they will reach more substantive agreement in the coming months because you just have a huge gap between the two sides on what the future of this region should look like,” said Noah Bonsey, the International Crisis Group’s Senior Analyst on Syria.

Any Syrian Kurdish negotiations with Damascus would also generate new questions for U.S. policy in Syria, where the U.S. military has deployed into SDF-held territory during the campaign against Islamic State insurgents.

The Syrian Kurds have been put on guard towards Washington over the Trump administration’s conflicting statements about its plans in Syria, and over pressure exerted on the United States by Turkey, which has staged military incursions into Syria to battle the YPG, a Kurdish militia that spearheads the SDF.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-damascus-idUSKBN1KI05I?utm_source=reddit.com

Fail to understand why Kurds create situation for Turkey and Iraq time after time. They need wait for complete peace in Syria. Otherwise if they think its good time to take situation , when US in the region.

 

[Dai Toruko]

I am not agree with u.
Shiasm and Imam Hussain is in our blood.

You shall love Imam Hasan.

 

[Hack-Hook]

What is flawed about using absolute numbers? It's all that matters. There are 5 times as many Kurds in Iran and Turkey as there are in Iraq and Syria. Kurds are not native to Northeastern Syria nor Northern Iraq. They have greater ancestral ties to eastern Anatolia and Northwestern Iran.

no the absolute number is wrong , percentage of total population ,or better percentage of population in the specefic area is alot better calculator, even that's not accurate , let look at Nagorno karabakh what's the ratio of Armenian to Azeris there , now go back 30-35 year back what was the ratio then.
another important thing is Iraq Kurdistan and Iran Kurdistan and Area in Turkey and syria that kurds live are adjacent , then can you explain to me why you believe that kurds belong to Iran and turkey but not Syria and Iraq .can you show us the historical fact about your claims?

You forget that the Iranian army prior to 1980 was the most heavily armed in the region due to the Shah being the biggest buyer of Western weaponry.

you forget that after the revolution Iran army get disarmed , at the time the war start ,Iran air-force personnel were in prison , many of Iran top commanders were executed , In khuzestan they sabotaged tanks , in Tehran and Isfahan US advisers sabotaged the airplane in short when Saddam Attacked, we had 100 operating airplane , 500 operating Tanks, and around 300 operating artillery . (if it was not for Mr. Khomeini order some people even disabled those.)

You also forget that Iran is 3.5 times larger than Iraq and that Iran had a 2.5 times larger population. Whatever help Iraq received during the war from outsiders (financial or direct military aid) was to level the playing field. Iran received financial aid and military aid from abroad as well.

you forget that those advantage you talks about can be translated in to under trained basij volunteer that according to historian even didn't had Guns , also you forget in 1998 Iraq had 900 aircraft and 1.5 million army compared to 60-70 Iranian aircraft and 600000 Iranian soldiers which the main bulk of them were Basij militia

Let us be honest. Without your air force (Western tech) Iraq would have had a far easier time and might have invaded deep into Iran.

no It was not our air-force that stopped Iraq advanced ,It was national mobilization and call for Jihad by Mr. Khomeini that contributed a lot in that field .for the majority of the war our air-force had problem maintaining itself , we relied on USA personnel and logistic for our air-force and when in 1979 that was cut it seriously weaken the Air-force while Iraq in the war continuously strengthen its air-force

Organized and complex religions. Religious rituals even monkeys (supposedly) do. Don't tell us much.

I'm not an expert Archeologist but to be honest these look like sort of deities to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Hohle_Fels
also burial activity specially when they use paints and separately burry different part of bodies also when you look at graves in Iberia from 21000-25000bc you see they began burr objects with dead all of these translat in some sort of religion far above what Monkeys my understand of religion
but if you mean surviving religion , the oldest religious acts that still is practiced belong to Zoroastarian and Hindus if you are intrested the newest religion is Kopimism

It was never going to happen in Syrai where they number between 1.5-2 million people. This is a joke, quite frankly. They are only the majority in tiny Northeastern Syria and some towns and villages in the North. Americans/Western Europeans (since they are in love with them) might want to create another Barzanistan in Syria but hopefully this will not be allowed. In any case growing Arab birth rates in Iraq (in particularly) and Syria will make them completely irrelevant within at most 2 decades. Barzanistan is already flooded by Arabs.

If only you knew how many children a Kurdish family can have

There was no "combined support" of any Arabs other than a few GCC states. That's all. If that was the case (if you are talking about actual military involvement and full support) Iran would have been conquered within 1 year.

Iran had support from oil and gas rich Libya and Syria and numerous other countries. In fact the country whose forum this is about (Pakistan) supported the Mullah's.

Saddam was lucky to survive but not Khomeini whose country and people suffered more than Iraq from the invasion. Great logic.

The same Khomeini who prolonged the war with 6 years just because, lol. Maybe he wanted more Iranian youth and children with keys around them (to Karbala) to perish and to create more "martyr families" so he later could start a birth campaign and Iran's population could skyrocket at almost Indian levels.

Notice when the graph is going overboard.

this graph can be compared with this one

 

[T-Rex]

I don't see a problem here. He's Chinese btw.......and entitled to his opinion, just like all the closet wahabbi terrorist lovers here.

Despot lovers never have problems with Nazis.

 

[Tokhme khar]

You needed to get recruited by Daesh......lol........sorry we destroyed it for you, but probably saved you the misery of cleaning toilets for the jihadists.

Despot lovers never have problems with Nazis.

 

[T-Rex]

You needed to get recruited by Daesh......lol........sorry we destroyed it for you, but probably saved you the misery of cleaning toilets for the jihadists.

Yes we've seen how your despot destroyed 7000 Daesh terrorists in Raqqa. You can keep farting with your mouth but in the end you cannot cover up the truth.

 

[Tokhme khar]

https://english.alahednews.com.lb/28066/553#.W1_YEdIzZ0s

Yes we've seen how your despot destroyed 7000 Daesh terrorists in Raqqa. You can keep farting with your mouth but in the end you cannot cover up the truth.

Daesh made you clean their toilets, yet you believe Iran and Russia are bad?......ok.....lol

https://gulfnews.com/news/asia/indi...ter-having-to-clean-toilets-reports-1.1420827

 

[T-Rex]

https://english.alahednews.com.lb/28066/553#.W1_YEdIzZ0s



Daesh made you clean their toilets, yet you believe Iran and Russia are bad?......ok.....lol

https://gulfnews.com/news/asia/indi...ter-having-to-clean-toilets-reports-1.1420827

It has absolutely nothing to do with how your despot providiing safe passage to the Daesh terrorists from Raqqa.