Syrian Kurds say they will 'chart roadmap to decentralized Syria' with Damascus

[SubWater]

Iran is ruled by people far more brutal and backward than the ba'ath ideology has advocated for.

Now Ba'ath is part of museum. no more Ba'ath exist in Syria or Iraq. that end man but IRI still exist.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Now Ba'ath is part of museum. no more Ba'ath exist in Syria or Iraq. that end man but IRI still exist.

Which is simply due to US military invasion, Iran wouldn't be able to remove Saddam. However, Ba'ath should be in the museum, it's cold-war era. Meanwhile you're still there with the IRI monkeys.

As for this news, Kurd will not win anything with it they will just become a slave to (most likely) Turkey in the long-run by making some kind of deal with their northern neighbor. It's like the KRG where the PUK is with Iran and the KDP with Turkey. What is amusing is witnessing the Kurdish arrogance and attempts to replicate IDF behavior by displacing Arabs and being racist to them. They seem to forget how weak and vulnerable they are to both the SAA, the ISF and every force there is that goes after them when the US isn't there to protect them.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Syrian and Iraqi Baath factions are distinct..biggest indicator of this would be the 1991 Gulf War and how Syria sided with the coalition

 

[SubWater]

I did not cherry pick in the sources else I would be able to find sources which give a lesser percentage for Kurds in Iran.
I think in demographics it's useless to mention absolute numbers. For example if we had 20 million Kurds in China, still it's nothing compared to the Han population.
Further more, almost 50% of Kurds in Iran are "almost persian" by language and shia by religious backgroud which makes them feel connected to Iran, outside of the fact that all Kurds are Iranic.

You made exact point at least half of Iran kurdish population are Shia.
IRI is religion base regime not base on race.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

You made exact point at least half of Iran kurdish population are Shia.
IRI is religion base regime not base on race.

I know and unfortunately this has a lot of disadvantages and has only some advantages. So we have to switch.

 

[SubWater]

I know and unfortunately this has a lot of disadvantages and has only some advantages. So we have to switch.

I am not agree with u.
Shiasm and Imam Hussain is in our blood.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I did not cherry pick in the sources else I would be able to find sources which give a lesser percentage for Kurds in Iran.
I think in demographics it's useless to mention absolute numbers. For example if we had 20 million Kurds in China, still it's nothing compared to the Han population.
Further more, almost 50% of Kurds in Iran are "almost persian" by language and shia by religious backgroud which makes them feel connected to Iran, outside of the fact that all Kurds are Iranic.

Sure, I was talking about absolute numbers only.

Such opinions differ, I imagine, otherwise there would not be groups like PJAK and others. Being part of the same ethno-linguistic group have never prevented distinct ethnic groups within this group of people to emerge and have their own separate identity, history, language, traditions and countries. Too many examples of this to be mentioned. Using that logic there is no need for 20 + Arab states, there is no need for Germanic states to be separate, Slavic states to be separate etc. However that is not the ground reality.

At the end of the day identities are human constructs and those identities change over time too.

Using DNA the Arab world, Middle East, Caucasus and Southern Europe would be one people/nation since most people in those regions are closely related (genetically) which is why they cluster on all DNA tests.









All people in that region of the world share the exact same paternal Y-DNA (to larger and smaller degree). Why? Because Europe and Caucasus was populated by Near Eastern (porto-Semites but not only) farmers after the Neolithic revolution in Southern Sham over 12.000 years ago.

Farming originated in this red circle (modern-day Jordan, Palestine, Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Northern KSA, Western Iraq and Sinai).

Syrian and Iraqi Baath factions are distinct..biggest indicator of this would be the 1991 Gulf War and how Syria sided with the coalition

Distinct only due to the Al-Assad regime being trash and being traitors. The ideology was/is the exact same but Mullah's like @SubWater are crying about Saddam Hussein but worshipping/supporting Al-Assad.

Now Ba'ath is part of museum. no more Ba'ath exist in Syria or Iraq. that end man but IRI still exist.

Mullah regime will return to the dustbin soon as well.

P.S. If you thing that Ba'ath regime and ideology = Arab nationalism you are gravely mistaken. Every Arab is a nationalist as the Arab identity fosters that. Our identity (Arab) is not solely confined to a single Arab state due to historical, linguistic, cultural, geographical, ancestral, ethnic etc. reasons.

B'athsits mixed communism/socialism with Arab pan-Islamism as a counter to Pan-Islamic tendencies or pro-westend tendencies supported by pro-West Arab regimes. Nasser had his own version of this in Egypt, later Iraq adopted their own version and Syria.

Genuine pan-Arabism has nothing to do with Ba'athist ideology. It's about wanting to cultivate close ties on all fronts with fellow Arabs and wanting the Arab world to progress. Basically cooperation. There is no such thing as oppressing non-Arabs and other nonsense as otherwise there would be no no minorities in the Arab world. Arabs were/are tolerant people who never committed a single genocide in history despite ruling the largest empires in the region and some of the largest in human history. No destruction of pre-Islamic heritage sites either.

Which is simply due to US military invasion, Iran wouldn't be able to remove Saddam. However, Ba'ath should be in the museum, it's cold-war era. Meanwhile you're still there with the IRI monkeys.

As for this news, Kurd will not win anything with it they will just become a slave to (most likely) Turkey in the long-run by making some kind of deal with their northern neighbor. It's like the KRG where the PUK is with Iran and the KDP with Turkey. What is amusing is witnessing the Kurdish arrogance and attempts to replicate IDF behavior by displacing Arabs and being racist to them. They seem to forget how weak and vulnerable they are to both the SAA, the ISF and every force there is that goes after them when the US isn't there to protect them.

Displacing will not work. 40% of Northern Iraq (Barzanistan aka KRG) is Arab and given the high Iraqi Arab birthrates, Barzanistan can easily be flooded within 2 decades alone.

Kurds (ethnicity created by Arabs who gave nomads in the Zagros and the plains this name and identity, composed of Anatolian/Arab/Semitic and Iranian (mostly) nomads), now turned into Kurds. That is why they have no ancient history in Northern Iraq and Northeastern Syria. Everything there is Semitic by origin. Even all the city names (original and current).

There are different theories about the origin of name Kurd. According to one theory, it originates in Middle Persian as kwrt-, a term for "nomad; tent-dweller".[Note 1] After the Muslim conquest of Persia, this term is adopted into Arabic as kurd-, and was used specifically of nomadic tribes.[Note 2]

The Kurdish people are believed to be of heterogeneous origins[16][17] combining a number of earlier tribal or ethnic groups[18] including Lullubi,[19] Guti,[19] Cyrtians,[20]Carduchi.[21]

Some of them have also absorbed some elements from Semitic,[18][22][23][24][25] Turkic[26][27][28][29] and Armenian people.[18][30][31][32][33][34]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Kurds

Normality is returning. If they want an independent state they should return to their ancestral lands in Turkey and Iran.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

I am not agree with u.
Shiasm and Imam Hussain is in our blood.

You must not think with emotions and slogans, but see the facts. For example this comes from your own government today:
Support For Compulsory Hijab Waning, Report Says
https://en.radiofarda.com/a/support-for-compulsory-hijab-waning-report-says-/29396997.html

Islamism is a failed ideology just like communism. Even Islam will be a question in future Iran and this will directly influence non-arab regions (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Azerbayjan, Turkmenistan, India etc). This is an evolution/ movement which will weaken islam in the region just like what happened with christianity in north-west europe in the last 120 years. It can't be stopped by force or by money or by propaganda. All the money you throw against it is wasted money just like the past 40 years in Iran. Even gambling in Casino gives you more chance of winning.

Now you have 2 choices: either work against this movement and turn people into stupid westernized globalists and make the enemy benefit or you will accompany this movement and work for the improvement of the Iranian identity.

 

[SubWater]

P.S. If you thing that Ba'ath regime and ideology = Arab nationalism you are gravely mistaken. Every Arab is a nationalist as the Arab identity fosters that. Our identity (Arab) is not solely confined to a single Arab state due to historical, linguistic, cultural, geographical, ancestral, ethnic etc. reasons.

B'athsits mixed communism/socialism with Arab pan-Islamism as a counter to Pan-Islamic tendencies or pro-westend tendencies supported by pro-West Arab regimes. Nasser had his own version of this in Egypt, later Iraq adopted their own version and Syria.

Genuine pan-Arabism has nothing to do with Ba'athism ideology. It's about wanting to cultivate close ties on all fronts with fellow Arabs and wanting the Arab world to progress. Basically cooperation. There is no such thing as oppressing non-Arabs and other nonsense.

Baathist was base on Arab nationalism but lately and after Iraq defeat in war with Iran Saddam understand nationalism is trash so Saddam combine Bathism with Islam and add Alahu akbar with his own handwriting to Iraqi flag and did other Islamic things to Iraq but Assad stand on Arab nationalism till start of Syrian civil war and then he understand how much Arab nationalism and ba'ath Ideology is bad and trash.
at least Saddam has some kind of credit b/c he find source of problem sooner that Assad family find. The fate of nationalism movement in any part of world is same and that is total collapse.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Baathist was base on Arab nationalism but lately and after Iraq defeat in war with Iran Saddam understand nationalism is trash so Saddam combine Bathism with Islam and add Alahu akbar with his own handwriting to Iraqi flag and did other Islamic things to Iraq but Assad stand on Arab nationalism till start of Syrian civil war and then he understand how much Arab nationalism and ba'ath Ideology is bad and trash.
at least Saddam has some kind of credit b/c he find source of problem sooner that Assad family find. The fate of nationalism movement in any part of world is same and that is total collapse.

Iraq never lost against Iran. Iraq inflicted many more casualties on Iran and destruction than vice versa. The war was a stalemate.

Nationalism and patriotism is not trash at all.

That was after the defeat in the First Gulf War and was done after rebellions in the South (the opposition against Saddam was mostly Islamist in nature) in order to appeal to Shias and Islamists (religious South).

Al-Assad remains an Ba'athi and Syria remains the Syrian Arab Republic, all Ba'ath symbols remain, flags, curriculum etc. remains in place.

Well, on the contrary. Healthy patriotism and nationalism are irreplaceable ideologies in the modern-day world.

You are confusing healthy nationalism and patriotism with fascism, racist policies and pseudo-nationalism/patriotism.

Nazis, Fascists and Bolsheviks/Communists always considered themselves as the greatest nationalists, lol.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Iraq never lost against Iran. Iraq inflicted many more casualties on Iran and destruction than vice versa. The war was a stalemate.

Iraq was heavily supported by Russia and France and America which provided military hardware. Iran was running out of military hardware America supplied in the 1970s. If Iraq continued for 10 more years, Iraq would have annexed Iran.

 

[SubWater]

You must not think with emotions and slogans, but see the facts. For example this comes from your own government today:
Support For Compulsory Hijab Waning, Report Says
https://en.radiofarda.com/a/support-for-compulsory-hijab-waning-report-says-/29396997.html

Islamism is a failed ideology just like communism. Even Islam will be a question in future Iran and this will directly influence non-arab regions (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Azerbayjan, Turkmenistan, India etc). This is an evolution/ movement which will weaken islam in the region just like what happened with christianity in north-west europe in the last 120 years. It can't be stopped by force or by money or by propaganda. All the money you throw against it is wasted money just like the past 40 years in Iran. Even gambling in Casino gives you more chance of winning.

Now you have 2 choices: either work against this movement and turn people into stupid westernized globalists and make the enemy benefit or you will accompany this movement and work for the improvement of the Iranian identity.

come on man, that is radio farda .. .. .. ..
I want to speak with you with your language. we are waiting for Saoshyant and he is coming soon.
I believe current Islam has miles of distance with real Islam so do not allow some thief's in government misguide you. keep your fate.

Nationalism and patriotism is not trash at all.

patriotism is good but nationalism is trash.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Iraq was heavily supported by Russia and France and America which provided military hardware. Iran was running out of military hardware America supplied in the 1970s. If Iraq continued for 10 more years, Iraq would have annexed Iran.

Iran was the most heavily armed country in the region due to the Shah buying by far the most US military hardware prior to 1979. American military hardware saved Iran from Iraq reaching Tehran.

Iran was similarly supported by the same West, Israel and even the likes of Syria and Libya. Especially the later had deep pockets.

Also don't forget that Iran had a 2.5 times larger population (today barely 2 times larger) and is a 3.5 times larger country.

No, no annexing of Iran would have occurred or vice versa. A stalemate would have been the same end goal.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Iran was the most heavily armed country in the region due to Shah buying by far the most US military hardware prior to 1979.

Iran was similarly supported by the same West, Israel and even the likes of Syria and Libya. Especially the later had deep pockets.

Also don't forget that Iran had a 2.5 times larger population (today barely 2 times larger) and is a 3.5 times larger country.

No, no annexing of Iran would have occurred or vice versa. A stalemate would have been the same end goal.

Arabs annexed Persia back in the 600s without much difficulty. They could have done it again in the 1980s. Had they continued for 10 more years, they could have done so.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

come on man, that is radio farda .. .. .. ..
I want to speak with you with your language. we are waiting for Saoshyant and he is coming soon.
I believe current Islam has miles of distance with real Islam so do not allow some thief's in government misguide you. keep your fate.

Oh common:
مرکز پژوهش‌های مجلس طی گزارشی اذعان کرده که ۷۰درصد زنان جامعه به حجاب شرعی اعتقاد ندارند و تلقی عمومی از حجاب نیز جنبه عرفی دارد.

http://abanpress.ir/social/19510/1397/05/07

About Saoshyant there are different interpretations and you should be critical of young avestan texts, let alone stuff added to zoroastrianism during the sassanids or even after Islam, which has 1700-2700 years distance from original zoroastrianism!

Well I think it's too late to talk about ideologies at this critical moment in Iran. Iran is more important at the moment. If you want to divide the nation, you can talk about real islam or any other ideology (real communism) etc. Just be Iranian first then anything else, whatever that is. A radical change is needed, but we're saying this at least in the last 20 years. No one listened, people were opressed, critics were neglected and even worse labled as "anti revolution/anti islam".

Now that the country is boiling from inside the turban wearing grandfathers come with baby steps: reporting about hijab, saying musavi and karoubi will be freed, saying that they arrested corrupt people (still no names!).

NO BABY STEPS/cosmetic changes will change nothing, it's too late. Either take extreme/radical steps or bring the country to risk of collapsing, whatever follows only God knows.

I told everyone here the main problem is the guardian council and banning of candidates based on non-islamist ideology and disconnections with the ruling clerical elite and the old revolutionaries. If you don't allow capable people to enter the parliament then only incapable people will enter! and you see the results. If you don't allow free press to act as watchdog against thieves and corruption you will see the results. If you don't allow the judiciary be independent from Islamists, you see them keeping their hands of corrupt friends and then again you see the results.

IMF (islamist forum) banned me, even here islamist oriented moderators could not tolerate this information.