Syrian Kurds say they will 'chart roadmap to decentralized Syria' with Damascus

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

BEIRUT (Reuters) - A Syrian Kurdish group said on Saturday it had decided with the government to “chart a roadmap to a democratic and decentralized Syria”, but there was no immediate confirmation from Damascus.

Relations between the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad and the Kurdish-led administration in the northeast, the two sides that hold the most territory in Syria, have been pivotal in the course of the seven-year-old civil war.

However, while they have mostly avoided direct conflict, they have articulated sharply opposing visions for the future, with the Kurds seeking autonomy in a decentralized state, and Damascus wanting to restore full central control.

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Council (SDC) said it and the government had decided to “form committees on various levels” to develop negotiations, end the violence engulfing Syria and chart a roadmap to democracy and decentralization.

It said it met Syrian government officials in Damascus this week at Assad’s invitation after initial meetings in Tabqa on the Euphrates river that focused on restoring local services.

The SDC is the political wing of the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which gained control of the quarter of Syria east of the Euphrates, an area that includes farmland and oil and water resources, during the fight against Islamic State.

The talks pointed to moves by the Kurdish-led authorities to seek a deal with Assad to preserve their autonomy as he regained most rebel areas with Russian and Iranian help while they have grown wary of their unpredictable U.S. ally.

Assad has sworn to regain “every inch” of Syria but said in May for the first time that he was “opening doors” for talks with the SDF, while also threatening force. He has described the Kurdish administration’s democratic bodies in the northeast as “temporary structures”.

“It’s hard to see how they will reach more substantive agreement in the coming months because you just have a huge gap between the two sides on what the future of this region should look like,” said Noah Bonsey, the International Crisis Group’s Senior Analyst on Syria.

Any Syrian Kurdish negotiations with Damascus would also generate new questions for U.S. policy in Syria, where the U.S. military has deployed into SDF-held territory during the campaign against Islamic State insurgents.

The Syrian Kurds have been put on guard towards Washington over the Trump administration’s conflicting statements about its plans in Syria, and over pressure exerted on the United States by Turkey, which has staged military incursions into Syria to battle the YPG, a Kurdish militia that spearheads the SDF.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-damascus-idUSKBN1KI05I?utm_source=reddit.com

 

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@undertakerwwefan

aren't you going to talk about how the hyborean aryans are democratic and free spirited compared to authoritarian Semites?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

@undertakerwwefan

aren't you going to talk about how the hyborean aryans are democratic and free spirited compared to authoritarian Semites?

In terms of genetics not much difference between the two. Actually, a lot of Syrians are descended from Roman / Byzantine era immigrants from Europe when Syria was part of Roman / Byzantine empire from about 100 BC to about 700 AD. Take Assad for example. Blue eyes. Light skin. Could easily pass for a Greek.

On the other hand, many Kurds have much darker skin, dark colored eyes.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

 

[Tokhme khar]

lol.........this is just hilarious, black eyes and blonde *** and Mongols.

Iran will decide here what will happen in NE Syria.

 

[SubWater]

lol.........this is just hilarious, black eyes and blonde *** and Mongols.

Iran will decide here what will happen in NE Syria.

better Kurds have their own region in NE Syria which is part of Syria and under Syrian army protection.
The Kurdish fighters can join and be part of Syrian army.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

better Kurds have their own region in NE Syria which is part of Syria and under Syrian army protection.
The Kurdish fighters can join and be part of Syrian army.

Kurds number only 1.5 million people in Syria. Only in the extreme northeast there is a majority of Kurds but everywhere where Kurds live there are substantial Arab minorities and other ones (Assyrians and Turkmen). Most of SDF is Arab for instance as per recent reports.

Even in Barzanistan (KRG) almost 40% of the population are Iraqi Arabs and Assyrians.

I suggest proposing a Kurdish homeland in Turkey and Iran where there are 10 times as many Kurds as in Syria and Iraq.

@OutOfAmmo

In terms of genetics not much difference between the two. Actually, a lot of Syrians are descended from Roman / Byzantine era immigrants from Europe when Syria was part of Roman / Byzantine empire from about 100 BC to about 700 AD. Take Assad for example. Blue eyes. Light skin. Could easily pass for a Greek.

On the other hand, many Kurds have much darker skin, dark colored eyes.

Troll, the Caucasian race originated in the Arab world.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

Plenty of Bedouins in the Rub al' Khali have green eyes and red hair. Proves nothing.

Most Byzantines were local Semites (in the region) and the "original" Byzantiens were Greek and Anatolian (who cluster closely with modern-day Arabs and whose DNA originates from the Arab world/Middle East originally) and they are not too far away from Semites in look. Greeks in Northern and Western Europe are often confused as Arabs/Middle Easterners.

 

[SubWater]

Kurds number only 1.5 million people in Syria. Only in the extreme northeast there is a majority of Kurds but everywhere where Kurds live there are substantial Arab minorities and other ones (Assyrians and Turkmen). Most of SDF is Arab for instance as per recent reports.

Even in Barzanistan (KRG) almost 40% of the population are Iraqi Arabs and Assyrians.

I suggest proposing a Kurdish homeland in Turkey and Iran where there are 10 times as many Kurds as in Syria and Iraq.

@OutOfAmmo



Troll, the Caucasian race originated in the Arab world. Plenty of Bedouins in the Rub al' Khali have green eyes and red hair. Proves nothing.

Most Byzantines were local Semites (in the region) and the "original" Byzantiens were Greek and Anatolian and they are not too far away from Semites in look. Greeks in Northern and Western Europe are often confused as Arabs/Middle Easterners.

first what does have with Iran and Turkey ???
second I said all of them join Syrian army. at end all of them are Syrian and during pan Arabist Ideology of Ba'ath regime Syrian Kurds suffer a lot. They have right to be normal and first class citizen like others and Syrian government must ensure that to all Syrian citizens.

Troll, the Caucasian race originated in the Arab world.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

Plenty of Bedouins in the Rub al' Khali have green eyes and red hair. Proves nothing.

Most Byzantines were local Semites (in the region) and the "original" Byzantiens were Greek and Anatolian (who cluster closely with modern-day Arabs and whose DNA originates from the Arab world/Middle East originally) and they are not too far away from Semites in look. Greeks in Northern and Western Europe are often confused as Arabs/Middle Easterners.

Ohoom
Arabs are white guys with yellow hair and blue eyes ......
lol

 

[Saif al-Arab]

first what does have with Iran and Turkey ???
second I said all of them join Syrian army. at end all of them are Syrian and during pan Arabist Ideology of Ba'ath regime Syrian Kurds suffer a lot. They have right to be normal and first class citizen like others and Syrian government must ensure that to all Syrian citizens.


Ohoom
Arabs are white guys with yellow hair and blue eyes ......
lol

You talked about Kurdish autonomy. Give Kurdish autonomy to the 9 million Kurds in Iran first. There are 6 times as many Kurds in Iran as in Syria.

No suffering.

Arabs are Caucasian people indeed (in fact the original ones as proven by science ages ago, I suggest reading the world-renowned Science Magazine article that I posted) but most of us have beautiful olive skin (the naturally most beautiful skin out there and also sufficiently good to act as a protection against the sun) so Al-Assad having non-brown eyes, does not mean that he is a non-Arab when this trait is normal among Semites since forever.

Descriptions of Prophet Muhammad (saws) for instance list him as having reddish hair and a reddish beard. Many other Islamic personalities had similar descriptions.

Arabs are not wannabe Europeans as certain other people in the region (Iranians, Aryan nonsense, lol). Don't project your complexes against Arabs. Arabs have praised their skin color (olive skin mainly but not only) for millennia. There are poems about this that you can find.

@OutOfAmmo

This is something that most sane Arabs already know and which we see examples of in real life (among decision makers) and on online forums. In a perfect world the Mullah regime and Erdogan would like to move the Kurdish problem into Syria and Iraq forgetting that both host Kurdish minorities that are 10 times larger. Once again Syria and Iraq are victims from this meddling. Similar to water resources. What does it take for ALL Syrians and Iraqis to wake up to those facts and others (history) and realize the historical enmity and nothing good coming from those two entities?

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

I suggest proposing a Kurdish homeland in Turkey and Iran where there are 10 times as many Kurds as in Syria and Iraq.

@OutOfAmmo

Some facts about Kurds in the region.

Kurds in Iran: 9-10% max. Most "divided" Kurds live in Iran, spread over 2 regions entirely separated from each other (khorasan and north-west Iran) and speaking 4 languages (sorani, kurmanji, southern kurdish, laki). Laki is somethimes grouped within the "persid" group. 2-3 million of Kurds of Iran speak laki. Then we have southern Kurdish which is very close to persian. Only Kurmanji has a greater distance from persian, sorani follows with less distance. This makes even federalism in Iran technically impossible. Only barzanistanis have these kind of dreams about Iranian kurds.

Kurds in Turkey: 15-20%, speaking mainly 2 languages, kurmanji and zazaki, but majority speaks Kurmanji. Also their population grows fast.

Kurds in Iraq: 15-20%, speaking mainly 2 languages: sorani and kurmanji.

Kurds in Syria: 7-10%, almost all speak kurmanji.

 

[SubWater]

You talked about Kurdish autonomy. Give Kurdish autonomy to the 9 million Kurds in Iran first. There are 6 times as many Kurds in Iran as in Syria.

Iran never separate people base on race unlike Ba'ath Ideology.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Some facts about Kurds in the region.

Kurds in Iran: 9-10% max. Most "divided" Kurds live in Iran, spread over 2 regions entirely separated from each other (khorasan and north-west Iran) and speaking 4 languages (sorani, kurmanji, southern kurdish, laki). Laki is somethimes grouped withing the "persid" group. 2-3 million of Kurds of Iran speak laki. Then we have southern Kurdish which is very close to persian. Only Kurmanji has a greater distance from persian, sorani follows with less distance. This makes even federalism in Iran technically impossible. Only barzanistanis have these kind of dreams about Iranian kurds.

Kurds in Turkey: 15-20%, speaking mainly 2 languages, kurmanji and zazaki, but majority speaks Kurmanji. Also their population grows fast.

Kurds in Iraq: 15-20%, speaking mainly 2 languages: sorani and kurmanji.

Kurds in Syria: 7-10%, almost all speak kurmanji.

So at least 8 million Kurds in Iran.

In Syria there are 1.5-2 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Syria

In Iraq there is around 3-5 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Iraq

The source used above (Wikipedia) states 3-4 million Kurds in Iraq.

In Turkey there are between 15-20 million Kurds.

28 million versus 6 million.

That is almost 5 times more Kurds in Turkey and Iran than in Syria and Iraq.

Iran never separate people base on race unlike Ba'ath Ideology.

Why are you Mullah's supporting the Ba'ath ideology in Syria then (Al-Assad regime) while crying about Saddam in Iraq (Ba'ath in Iraq)? Could it be due to getting a bloody nose from Saddam Hussein after your terrorist Mullah's were spreading and supporting Dawa terrorism in Iraq and trying to assassinate the vice president of Iraq (Tariq Aziz) before the war?

We all know the answer.

Arabs and Kurds have no grievances in Syria. That is why SDF exists. Intermarriages were not to uncommon in Syria. In Syria the Kurds have had the least bloody history with non-Kurds. Major Arab tribes in Northern and Eastern Syria are aligned with Kurdish tribes. They are fighting side by side.

I suggest worrying about ethnic oppression in Iran which is world-famous. In Syria there was/is no such thing.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Iran never separate people base on race unlike Ba'ath Ideology.

Iran is ruled by people far more brutal and backward than the ba'ath ideology has advocated for.

 

[SubWater]

Why are you Mullah's supporting the Ba'ath ideology in Syria then (Al-Assad regime) while crying about Saddam in Iraq (Ba'ath in Iraq)? Could it be due to getting a bloody nose from Saddam Hussein after your terrorist Mullah's were spreading and supporting Dawa terrorism in Iraq and trying to assassinate the vice president of Iraq (Tariq Aziz) before the war?

We all know the answer.

Arabs and Kurds have no grievances in Syria. That is why SDF exists. Intermarriages were not to uncommon in Syria. In Syria the Kurds have had the least bloody history with non-Kurds. Major Arab tribes in Northern and Eastern Syria are aligned with Kurdish tribes. They are fighting side by side.

I suggest worrying about ethnic oppression in Iran which is world-famous. In Syria there was/is no such thing.

Nobody is perfect, Ba'th had two wing which Syrian wing from first date made partnership with Iran. Ba'ath Ideology had one good thing and that is Anti Zionism will.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

So at least 8 million Kurds in Iran.

In Syria there are 1.5-2 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Syria

In Iraq there is around 3-5 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Iraq

The source used above (Wikipedia) states 3-4 million Kurds in Iraq.

In Turkey there are between 15-20 million Kurds.

28 million versus 6 million.

That is almost 5 times more Kurds in Turkey and Iran than in Syria and Iraq.

I did not cherry pick in the sources else I would be able to find sources which give a lesser percentage for Kurds in Iran.
I think in demographics it's useless to mention absolute numbers. For example if we had 20 million Kurds in China, still it's nothing compared to the Han population.
Further more, almost 50% of Kurds in Iran are "almost persian" by language and shia by religious backgroud which makes them feel connected to Iran, outside of the fact that all Kurds are Iranic.