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My dear Ali: Many still miss you and all that you represented. Rest in peace, my dear friend. May God bless you. ______.




Murtaza Haider is dead, does anyone care? - Blogs - DAWN.COM


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He was only 12-years old, full of life and promise. But that was on Sunday. Monday morning Murtaza Haider and his father, Dr Syed Ali Haider, were shot dead in a targeted attack by militants in an elite neighbourhood of Lahore.

Dr Ali Haider was a professor and the chair of the Ophthalmology Department at Lahore General Hospital. He was shot six times in the face, head, and other parts of his body. The learned doctor and his family had no enemies, yet the father and son were guilty of a cardinal sin in Pakistan. They were Shias.

Dr Haider was driving Murtaza to school Monday morning when two armed militants intercepted their vehicle and sprayed it with bullets. The police believe that their unprovoked murders were carried out by sectarian extremists.

This is what has become of Pakistan: Shia doctors, lawyers, parliamentarians, and children are being hunted down in the streets of large urban centres like Lahore, Karachi, and Peshawar. At the same time, Shia labourers, daily wage earners, street hawkers, and pilgrims travelling to Iran are taken off buses and shot in cold blood. And then there is indiscriminate bombings of Shia mosques and other gathering places.

In Quetta’s Hazara town, fear rules the streets. Mothers do not want their children to leave homes. Wives dread the thought of their husbands becoming another statistic in the never ending sectarian warfare declared on Shia Hazaras. I spoke with my cousin in Hazara Town and asked about how people were coping. He told me of a community under siege and numb by fear and pain.

Those who work for the government and live in Hazara Town do not go to work anymore. They are confined to their homes. The admin staff drops files at their homes in the morning and collects the same files later in the afternoon. Hazara Town has in fact become an open prison for many. The less fortunate ones still have to venture out of the town and risk death at every corner.

Needless to say, Pakistan can use some doctors, especially surgeons. Every doctor counts in Pakistan where there is less than one doctor per 1,000 people. Thus, killing them in cold blood does not make much sense for the welfare of ordinary Pakistanis. Dr Ali Haider was a renowned eye surgeon whose skilled and compassionate hands had restored the vision of countless patients. Dr Ali Haider had an unrivalled medical pedigree. He was the only son of another renowned surgeon and a professor of King Edward Medical University (KEMU), Dr Syed Zafar Haider. Dr Tahira Haider, his mother, also taught at KEMU, and his sister is also a medical doctor and an academic.

Dr Zafar Haider in his old age has to mourn the death of his son and grandson. While some may try to create doubts about the motives of the killers, Dr. Zafar Haider has no doubts. “My son has been killed for being a Shia and a dedicated follower of the Holy Prophet,” the grieving doctor told Dawn.

Earlier in the week, I wrote in the same space urging Shias of Quetta and Peshawar to either relocate to Lahore and Karachi, or better to seek asylum abroad. Many in their comments on Dawn’s website disagreed and accused me of caving in to the terrorists. Many expressed their commitment to strike back at the sectarian murderers. I am neither that naive nor that brave. The murder of Dr Haider and young Murtaza in fact further reinforces my belief that the life and property of Shias in Pakistan is no longer safe.

I also know that the State apparatus, including the police, intelligence agencies, and the courts, is incapable of arresting and convicting those involved in the guerilla warfare against the State using Shias as a target. Even when they are arrested, the courts failed to convict the sectarian terrorists. And while valiant police officers, such as SSP Ashraf Marth, laid their lives in pursuing militants, the courts could still not convict the alleged. Why? The three key eye witnesses in SSP Marth’s case, all police officers, recanted their earlier statements that implicated the accused. It is therefore, no surprise that some elements of the State have capitulated and were subsidising the families of the alleged sectarian militants while they were under arrest.

A few hours earlier at Toronto’s Nathan Phillips Square, I joined a few dozen protesters who had gathered yet again to protest the recent murder of Shia Hazaras in Quetta. It was only last month that a similar impromptu protest brought several hundred Pakistanis in Toronto to the same place where they protested the death of Shia Hazaras who were killed on January 10. Unlike the last time, the crowd in Toronto was much smaller and the sloganeering had a distinct defeatist tone. It appears that many had resigned to the fact that sectarian terrorism cannot be stopped in Pakistan.

Dr Syed Ali Haider spent his life restoring vision to those who could not see. In the end, he and his son, Murtaza Haider, were murdered by those blinded by sectarian hatred. Now it is up to the State to prove that it can deliver justice to the grieving family. Otherwise, the Haider family has no reason to stay in Pakistan and cure the very people who want to murder them.
 
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Rest in Peace.
Doctors,Engineers are country's wealth and future,killing them is like destroying your own future.
 
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So many dear friends lost. Faisal, I miss you too. ______.

Brown Pundits: The Martyrdom of Dr Faisal Manzoor

The Martyrdom of Dr Faisal Manzoor

I first met Faisal Manzoor in 1975. I was one year senior to him in high school and then in Medical School (where he was one of my students when preparing for physiology and pharmacology exams). I have been in touch ever since and the last time I met him was in August 2013.

When we graduated from medical school, most of us moved to England and the US to "improve ourselves" or some such shit. In those days, one did not leave Pakistan because one was Shia or even liberal (though some other minorities had already got the memo, starting with Sikhs and Hindus in 1947). That started later. Still, a lot of people left or were encouraged to leave by parents and elders who were surprisingly pessimistic about the future of the great nation they had created and whose "real" half they continued to rule. But not Faisal. Faisal moved back to his small hometown and built a modern hospital there. It grew and prospered and provided round the clock service in a dozen different specialties. And it was right on Sher Shah Suri's Grand Trunk road, so every friend going towards Peshawar or Abbotabad or points North (where the ISI in its infinite wisdom liked to locate their training camps for Jihad and other needs) would stop by Faisal's hospital and get infinite hospitality at any time of the day or night.

When an earthquake struck Northern Pakistan, Faisal loaded up a truckload of blankets, tents, food and medicines and headed North. He camped out there, distributing help to all and sundry. Some of them, unfortunately, were already members of the great Pakistan Islamic Purification initiative, but of course at that time we still did not know where that purification would head next.

Well, as we all know now, it headed for the Shias. Or maybe it was already heading that way, but we didnt really see it till years later because every cancer needs time to grow.... And Faisal and his family were Shia. In fact, they supported the local Imambargah. They were not just Shia, they were prominent Shias. They were also prominent philanthropists, prominent doctors, prominent helpers of those in need, prominent hosts of distant cousins of friends of friends..and prominent friends of all and sundry. But being prominent Shia was what got them targeted.....and all the other prominences did not help one bit when the motorbike boys came looking for targets.

2 months ago, Faisal's older cousin (a doctor at his hospital and the deputy director of the local polio campaign) was shot dead while coming out of the hospital. He was shot dead on main GT road. At 8 pm or so. Nobody was caught. Pakistan moved on. Shit happens. What can one do? it is the will of Allah. Or at least the will of Allah's little helpers in Pakistan.

Dr Ali Haider, Eye surgeon, only son of the legendary Professor Zafar Haider and Professor Tahira Bokhari. Shot dead along with his son in Lahore.

Dr Babar Ali, Faisal's cousin, an exemplary gentle soul who literally had no enemies. Shot dead in Hasanabdal 2 months ago.

Dr Faisal Manzoor, shot dead today.

Its getting closer. Strategic depth has come home to roost.
 
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First i would like to offer my condolence to the victim's family as its always sad to hear a young child die before being able adulthood and enjoy the fruits of life. I hope Pakistan cracks to the bottom of this and I would like to thank you for opening the thread to highlight this sad situation. I have in the past week also opened a thread on a discussion to a similar topic with respect to growing extremism in the middle east. This news just reiterated what the western think tanks have been saying about the dangers of expanding wahabi/salafist movement across the middle eastern region.

I hate to make this thread political but I will mention you @Akheilos to make a point that you cannot blame the west for pakistan's internal problems such as genocide of minorities from salafist movements.
 
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We'll kill the TTP but we'll leave groups such as LeJ and SSP which freely kill the Shias. F*ck the government.
 
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So many dear friends lost. Faisal, I miss you too. ______.

I first met Faisal Manzoor in 1975. I was one year senior to him in high school and then in Medical School (where he was one of my students when preparing for physiology and pharmacology exams). I have been in touch ever since and the last time I met him was in August 2013. Dr Faisal Manzoor, shot dead today.

RIP to the dead. I had dinner with a Doctor here yesterday who is a Pakisani and Shea. It's crazy to see your post as we JUST discussed this yesterday. He's such a great, educated and overall a good fellow.

This is ALSO why I am SO against the extremist based politicians like IK and Mullah Greedy. These guys are hard core and can't foster a healthy mutual relationship based culture. That is the life line for Pakistan. All minorities need to live in peace and together. What someone believes in their household and church is their personal relationship with God. NONE of anyone else's business.
 
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This is ALSO why I am SO against the extremist based politicians like IK and Mullah Greedy. These guys are hard core and can't foster a healthy mutual relationship based culture. That is the life line for Pakistan. All minorities need to live in peace and together. What someone believes in their household and church is their personal relationship with God. NONE of anyone else's business.

Hey liar!! Keep your political opinions out of this thread! If you know any better you would know that Dr Tahir ul Qadri and Imran Khan both are very much secular and in fact argue for interfaith harmony. It is in fact PML-N which is allied with organizations like the former SSP (a millitant organization with aim to kill minorities) but of course you would not dare to point it out because you are biased. So my best advice to you is to stop trying to fool others. @Aeronaut @Hyperion
 
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Hey asshole! Keep your political opinions out of this thread! If you know any better you would know that Dr Tahir ul Qadri and Imran Khan both are very much secular and in fact argue for interfaith harmony. It is in fact PML-N which is allied with organizations like the former SSP (a millitant organization with aim to kill minorities) but of course you would not dare to point it out because you are biased. So my best advice to you is to stop trying to fool others. @Aeronaut @Hyperion


@Aeronaut @Hyperion @admins If this idiot calls me what he just did and he doesn't get banned, I'll have no mercy. I'll put him back into the place where he came from years ago. So PLEASE enforce some *****ing regulations. This is the tenth time I've reported stuff to you and you guys keep giving preferential treatment to others.

I want this dude BANNED from this thread or this forum will lose respect. This has become a biased place where you guys favor the ones you like. People should have the MANLINESS and Balls big enough to deal with the opposite opinion. Its not my way or the highway.

Back to this root moron, you have no knowledge of your country and you have no *****ing clue about me. IK's supported Talibans for a long time. You have an issue with the reality, go fuc*k yourself. Beyond that, you have another issue with Mullah Greedy, you can go fu*ck yourself for the second time.

You cuss me out here ONE more time, and the admins don't take an action, before I finally depart, the words you'll hear from me, will remain with you for a LONG time. This is a warning. You control how the others respond to you. You cross the line, don't be upset at the retaliation.
 
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@Syed.Ali.Haider Why have you used your account name in the title? Syed.Ali.Haider and Murtaza

Do you realize this is intellectual dishonesty for the title is misleading?

Hey asshole! Keep your political opinions out of this thread! If you know any better you would know that Dr Tahir ul Qadri and Imran Khan both are very much secular and in fact argue for interfaith harmony. It is in fact PML-N which is allied with organizations like the former SSP (a millitant organization with aim to kill minorities) but of course you would not dare to point it out because you are biased. So my best advice to you is to stop trying to fool others. @Aeronaut @Hyperion
You are talking facts but you may not want to use the word 'asshole' even though it best describes the person you are addressing to.
 
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Yes I did edit the post but not because of your rant. I changed it on advice of syedali who is a respected member of this forum and secondly mods should ban you for going off topic in every thread to bash IK and DR TUQ.
 
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I am speechless , my sincere condolences to the Haider family

though many of my relatives were itself a victim of the establishment during the Zia ul haq period , for being peoples party workers , it is nothing compare to the pain & suffering of the Haider family, where even children weren't spare
@Syed.Ali.Haider all I can say is comrade my , sympathy is too small a word, for the sacrifices of Dr. Haider's family,
the only word that I can find worthy to do justice to his legacy is
Respect
 
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RIP to the departed, prayers for the family.

@orangzaib - could I ask, please, what is your connection to Pakistan? you talk (content-wise) as if you are from there, but with an apparently US-native speech pattern, so I'm curious. Feel free to ignore if it's too personal.

I have several other questions. This guy was not advocating any positions and yet was assassinated? Why would he be picked out for this, and how would killing him advance the cause of whoever did it? How does killing a doctor (and his kid) help anyone?

And, are we sure this was actually political/religious, rather than a robbery gone bad?
 
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