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Govt, TNSM agree on Nizam-e-Adl in Malakand

* Taliban declare 10-day ceasefire in Swat
* NWFP government to announce implementation of Shari Nizam-e-Adl Regulations today

By Daud Khattak

PESHAWAR: The NWFP government and Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat Muhammadi (TNSM) leader Sufi Muhammad have agreed on the implementation of Shari Nizam-e-Adl Regulations in Malakand, an official source told Daily Times on Sunday.

The decision was taken after a meeting between the government and Sufi Muhammad in Dir district. A member of the Swat Qaumi Jirga told Daily Times the two sides had signed an agreement whose key points were peace in Malakand division and implementation of sharia. Another key point was the formation of a committee to work towards freeing captured Taliban, Aaj Kal added.

Ceasefire: Hours after the meeting, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leader Mullah Fazlullah announced a 10-day ceasefire in Swat through his illegal FM channel. “The Swat chapter of Taliban agrees with talks between the provincial government and TNSM chief Sufi Muhammad, and ceases hostilities for a temporary period of 10 days,” locals quoted Fazlullah’s broadcast. They said he had elaborated the Taliban would review the progress of sharia implementation after 10 days and decide their future course of action. He said the TTP fully respected the TNSM chief’s decisions.

The Taliban on Sunday also released a Chinese hostage kidnapped over five months ago, terming it a goodwill gesture in response to the government’s actions.

Implementation: According to official sources, NWFP Chief Minister Ameer Haider Hoti would announce the implementation of Shari Nizam-e-Adl Regulations in Malakand during a meeting at the Chief Minister’s House today (Monday).

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Deaths in 20th Century Wars, Conflicts and Repressions

Dear PDF reader,
Below is a list of the deaths in the 20th Century due to international wars, civil wars, repressions by governments, etc. I compiled this summary list from this source: Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

This source has a lot more detail about each conflict as well as the various death estimates that have been published for each. My list below is the "median" or "consensus" number for the particular "event". I compiled it on a spreadsheet and then ordered in descending order of the number of deaths. I thought it was useful to gain some perspective on the magnitude of similar events going on today, in the context of what has been human behavior and experience in the last 100 years. Conflicts causing less than 30,000 deaths were not included in my list but may be found at the source above. -- TS


Event --> Death Toll
Second World War (1937-45) --> 55,000,000
China (Mao's repression, 1949-1975) --> 40,000,000
Soviet Union (Stalin's repression, 1924-53) --> 20,000,000
First World War (1914-18) --> 15,000,000
Russian Civil War (1917-22) --> 9,000,000
Congo Free State (1886-1908) --> 8,000,000
Kinshasa Congo (Civil war, 1998 et seq.) --> 3,800,000
Second Indochina War (1960-75) --> 3,500,000
China (Nationalist era civil wars, 1928-37) --> 3,100,000
Korean War (1950-53) --> 2,800,000
German Expulsion from East Europe (1945-47) --> 2,100,000
Sudan (1983 et seq.) --> 1,900,000
Afghanistan (1979-2001) --> 1,800,000
Vietnam War (1965-73) --> 1,700,000
Armenian (Turkish massacres, 1915-23) --> 1,500,000
Ethiopia (1962-92) --> 1,400,000
Rwanda and Burundi (1959-95) --> 1,350,000
North Korea (1948 et seq.) --> 1,320,000
Iran-Iraq War (1980-88) --> 1,000,000
Mexican Revolution (1910-20) --> 1,000,000
Mozambique (1975-1992) --> 1,000,000
Nigeria (1966-70) --> 1,000,000
China ( Warlord era repression, 1917-28) --> 800,000
Cambodian Civil War (1970-75) --> 600,000
Tibet (Chinese repression, 1950 et seq.) --> 600,000
Angola (Government vs Unita, 1975-2002) --> 550,000
Algeria (Algerian independence, 1954-62) --> 537,000
Brazil Indian Genocide (1900 et seq.) --> 500,000
India-Pakistan Partition (1947) --> 500,000
Sudan (1955-72) --> 500,000
Spain (Civil War + Franco rule, 1936-75) --> 465,000
Vietnam ( Communist repression (1975 et seq.) --> 430,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935-41) --> 400,000
First Indochina War (1945-54) --> 400,000
Indonesia (Repression of communists, 1965-66) --> 400,000
Somalia (Civil wars, 1991 - 2000) --> 400,000
Iraq ( International embargo, 1990-2003) --> 350,000
Portuguese Colonies (Colonial repression, 1900-25) --> 325,000
Iraq (Saddam Hussein repression, 1979-2003) --> 300,000
Kurdistan (1980's + 1990's) --> 300,000
Uganda (Obote vs NRA, 1979-86) --> 300,000
Uganda( Idi Amin's repression, 1972-79) --> 300,000
Amazonia (rubber company workers, 1900-12) --> 250,000
Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) --> 250,000
Turkey (Kurdish uprising, 1925-28) --> 250,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978-91) --> 225,000
Philippines Insurgency (1899-1902) --> 220,000
Colombia (La Violenca, 1946-58) --> 200,000
East Timor (Conquest by Indonesia (1975-99) --> 200,000
French Colonies (Colonial repression, 1900-40) --> 200,000
Guatemala (1960-1996) --> 200,000
Yugoslavia (Tito's repression, 1944-80) --> 200,000
Zaire (Dem. Rep. Congo Civil War, 1997) --> 200,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992-95) --> 175,000
Maji-Maji Revolt, German East Africa (1905-07) --> 175,000
Greek Civil War (1943-49) --> 158,000
Lebanon (Civil strife,1975-90) --> 150,000
Liberia (Government vs NPF, 1989-97) --> 150,000
Romania (Communist repression, 1948-89) --> 150,000
Russo-Finnish War (1939-1940) --> 150,000
Balkan Wars (1912-13) --> 140,000
Burma/Myanmar (Civil wars, 1948 et seq.) --> 130,000
Russo-Japanese War (1904-05) --> 130,000
Libya (Resistance to Italian rule, 1911-31) --> 125,000
Israel (Wars with Arab States, Palestinians (1948 et seq) --> 110,000
Russia (Chechnya, 1994 et seq.) --> 80,000
Sri Lanka (1977- et seq.) --> 65,000
Peru (Shining Path insurrection, 1980-2000) --> 50,000
Chad (Habre regime, 1982-90) --> 40,000
South Korea (1948-49) --> 40,000
Tajikstan (Civil War, 1992-96) --> 40,000
Kashmir & Jammu, Civil War (1989 et seq.) --> 35,000

China is the "King of Death" since WWII.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/20617-conflict-death-20th-century.html
 
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TNSM delegation reaches Peshawar to sign peace accord
Updated at: 0950 PST, Monday, February 16, 2009


PESHAWAR: A 29-member delegation of outlawed outfit Tanzim Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM) has reached Frontier House here to sign peace accord.

The delegation would attend the jirga during which an accord would be signed. The accord was finalized on Sunday.

The NWFP Chief Minister Ameer Haider Khan Hoti would formally announce the implementation of the agreement.

Talking to Geo News, spokesman of TNSM said peace would be restored in Malakand and Swat after implementation of peace accord and Taliban would lay down their arms after implementation of Nizam-e-Adl Regulation and Qazi would be appointed in Shairah courts.


TNSM delegation reaches Peshawar to sign peace accord
 
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Curfew lifted in Swat
Updated at: 1020 PST, Monday, February 16, 2009


SWAT: The curfew has been lifted in Swat after successful negotiations with outlawed outifit Tanzim Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM).

Earlier, Tahreek-i- Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has announced the 10-days ceasefire.


Curfew lifted in Swat
 
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Slugger:

Shariah based Nizam-e-Adl was practiced in Swat, Dir, and Bajaur till 1968 when these princely States were absorbed in Pakistan. There is nothing wierd or draconian about it.

Shariah based laws ensure rapid and affordable justice to the people.

Similar judicial systems with localized flavor are practiced in India too:
1. A vast swath of territory comprising of parts of Jharkand, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa and Talangana (Karnatka) are governed by the Naxalite Marxists. Naxalite Peoples Courts are a lot more efficient than the Indian Judicial system.
2. Nagaland, Manipur, Mizoram and parts of Arunchal Pradesh are governed by the local groups. They have a relatively fair system of internal governance.

Shariah system will apply to only about 5 Million people in Swat / Malakand divisions. By comparison the “unconventional system of governance” in India applies to more than 100 Million people!
 
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Dear TruthSeeker

The “Twentieth Century Death Toll Atlas” appears to be a bogus and biased document.

It conveniently ignored the estimated 600,000 deaths caused by the USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Most of the deaths during Stalinist purges (repression) were as a result of internal displacement, hunger, crops failure.

The US caused an estimated 1 Million deaths of Iraqi infants and children through denial of baby formula and medicines imports during the sanctions era. This perpetuating tragedy was later corrected through Madeline Albright’s ‘Oil for Food” program.

The 1.70 Million deaths during the Vietnam war are skewed on the low side. It does not take into account deaths caused by US actions in Laos and Cambodia.

Also conveniently ignored is the "virtual death" caused by Israel through wasting about 5 Million Palestinian lives since 1948.

Ever heard about Biafra? why is it not even mentioned in the score card?

How about Rawanda?

How about the 250,000 deaths in Bosnia?
 
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Curfew lifted in Swat
Updated at: 1020 PST, Monday, February 16, 2009


SWAT: The curfew has been lifted in Swat after successful negotiations with outlawed outifit Tanzim Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM).

Earlier, Tahreek-i- Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has announced the 10-days ceasefire.


Curfew lifted in Swat

Nice Change .

Members who are posting news of killing of Mujahdeen now posting news of their victory.:lol:

GOP has to accept demand of implementation shariah by local people of SWAT and Mardan and other area of NWFP.

We should also implement shariah other parts of Pakistan as well ?:agree:
 
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Slugger:

Shariah based Nizam-e-Adl was practiced in Swat, Dir, and Bajaur till 1968 when these princely States were absorbed in Pakistan. There is nothing wierd or draconian about it.

Shariah based laws ensure rapid and affordable justice to the people.

Similar judicial systems with localized flavor are practiced in India too:
1. A vast swath of territory comprising of parts of Jharkand, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa and Talangana (Karnatka) are governed by the Naxalite Marxists. Naxalite Peoples Courts are a lot more efficient than the Indian Judicial system.
2. Nagaland, Manipur, Mizoram and parts of Arunchal Pradesh are governed by the local groups. They have a relatively fair system of internal governance.

Shariah system will apply to only about 5 Million people in Swat / Malakand divisions. By comparison the “unconventional system of governance” in India applies to more than 100 Million people!


I have a basic problem with yr line of argument..There r ills in our system n there r ills in the indian syatemm..I fail to see how faults in indian system can be pointed out to defnd faults in our system..OFFENCE IS NOT THE DEFENCE WHEN WE IN A FORUM N DISCUSSING A SOLUTION..ITS PLAIN SKULLDUGGERY.
The indians r evil but how does that make us good
 
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Slugger:


Similar judicial systems with localized flavor are practiced in India too:
1. A vast swath of territory comprising of parts of Jharkand, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa and Talangana (Karnatka) are governed by the Naxalite Marxists. Naxalite Peoples Courts are a lot more efficient than the Indian Judicial system.
2. Nagaland, Manipur, Mizoram and parts of Arunchal Pradesh are governed by the local groups. They have a relatively fair system of internal governance.

Is there any independent criticism of these systems??!!
How can u say they ve relativey fair system of governance or r more efficient..Is there a system of checks n balances in the system to ensure its fair n doesnt punish the innocent.
I wish our desire to bring the indians one peg down all the time doesnt make us condone things that are not right either.

Shariah system will apply to only about 5 Million people in Swat / Malakand divisions. By comparison the “unconventional system of governance” in India applies to more than 100 Million people!

Does Sharia system has checks n balances..wat kind of Sharia will be implemented..Will there be the inhuman penalties like stoning to death n chopping of hands..I thin these r more relevant questions..If they r implemented properly n humanly most importantly with common sense than i m not sure anyone got ay problems with that..N how they r going to be implemented ought to be te debate issue.
 
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Dear Bloodniron:

I never said there is anything wrong with having a localized favor of judiciary in accordance with the wishes of the people.

There is nothing wrong with 100 million people in India having their preferred system, or 5-6 million people in Pakistan having their own.

Shariah laws should not invoke images of stoning or hand chops; there is nothing inherently draconian about them. Shariah / Fiqah has its due processes, which appear to work far better than our standard judicial processes that favor the rich and powerful.
 
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Does Sharia system has checks n balances..wat kind of Sharia will be implemented..Will there be the inhuman penalties like stoning to death n chopping of hands..I thin these r more relevant questions..If they r implemented properly n humanly most importantly with common sense than i m not sure anyone got ay problems with that..N how they r going to be implemented ought to be te debate issue.

You are muslim or hindu/sikh or non believer ,introduce yourself.

Being muslim you should not say inhuman penalties,if you dont have believe in islamic penalties dont hurt feeling of muslims.
 
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Dear Bloodniron:

I never said there is anything wrong with having a localized favor of judiciary in accordance with the wishes of the people.

There is nothing wrong with 100 million people in India having their preferred system, or 5-6 million people in Pakistan having their own.

Shariah laws should not invoke images of stoning or hand chops; there is nothing inherently draconian about them. Shariah / Fiqah has its due processes, which appear to work far better than our standard judicial processes that favor the rich and powerful.

Exactly my point..Thanks..
But are u sure thats the kind of Law that s gonna be implemented there..I am not sure..With experience from Saudi Arabia i ve reasons to be scared..N Those cruel images come to the minf for that exact reason -because thay r cruel..If they getting implemented properly, i dont think anyone s got a problem..Just we need to be sure wat we implementing there..

As fo Mr Wahraich i suggest u read some books..N u r v sensitive to religious matters..loosen up a bit please..:hitwall:
 
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