Support for secularism grows in Pakistan

[Bull]

Moderatism will be the answer Pakistan, bot secularism. Secularsim cannot be built into the Pakistani state as it was suppose to be an Islamic state.

 

[HK-47]

does Pakistan have secular laws along with Islamic laws existing side by side?

 

[fatman17]

i never doubted this - majority (90-95&#37 want seperation of religion and state. we have secular civil laws and we also have the shariat courts.

 

[U-571]

many things in secularism r not according to islam, wht u ppl have to say abt tht??

 

[A1Kaid]

Islam was prescribed by Allah not Secularism.

 

[Captain03]

many people have different views of understanding religion thats why it may be impossible to mix religion with politics because eventually someone is gonna get offended, but everything will work if we just follow the true meanings of islam as our laws [not the shariah laws as they are a cultural thing and have barely anything to do with the quran]

 

[Kharian_Beast]

The Mullahs in Pakistan must be kept away from governance. The politicians must be kept away from the Mullahs. Also, we must remove Wahabi influences on Pakistan. Plus, how many western nations do you see that are officially named Christian Republic of America, or Anglican Kingdom of Britain? They have less problems in the world because they are accepting of others and give an image of non exclusiveness. Right off from the bat we are telling the world that Pakistan is only for Muslims, when in fact Pakistan is for anyone who doesn't want to live in India, simple.

It was a big mistake in my view, and has been the main reason why we are behind India. They never declared they are a Hindu super state, whatever they might be.

 

[U-571]

The Mullahs in Pakistan must be kept away from governance. The politicians must be kept away from the Mullahs. Also, we must remove Wahabi influences on Pakistan. Plus, how many western nations do you see that are officially named Christian Republic of America, or Anglican Kingdom of Britain? They have less problems in the world because they are accepting of others and give an image of non exclusiveness. Right off from the bat we are telling the world that Pakistan is only for Muslims, when in fact Pakistan is for anyone who doesn't want to live in India, simple.

It was a big mistake in my view, and has been the main reason why we are behind India. They never declared they are a Hindu super state, whatever they might be.

"less problems", sir can u explain ur point, bcoz, their r many things they r worse at, second, i agree how can these mullahs rule the system, even they dont know abt A B C D of islam and quran, it is possible to form a political system based on the true teachings of quran and sunnah, if this is a possibility, than wht v need are good intellectual, knowledgeable muslims not mullahs to form this system and muslims follow it!!, so wht v dont have is "human endeavaurance" to form islamic political of system.

those who argue abt tht and say, quran and sunnah cant form islamic political system and there shuld be a secular, or any non islamic or non religious system, they support the fact, tht, islam rules can only be applied in prayers not in social life, right??

for ur point on "Pakistan is for anyone who doesn't want to live in India, simple", sir, islam believes on equality regardless of race, colour or religion, islam always appreciates the equal treatment, voices to be heard, even i think, it was secularism, which drives its roots from islamis political system.

the Christendom was shocked to see such liberty and equal rights in europe, the modern europe is very much influenced from the islamic system tht prevailed in spain when muslims ruled there

 

[Captain03]

only quran should be followed if religion is to be associated with politics
sunnah and hadith are man-made rules and violate god's saying that the quran should be the only source of religious guidence as it is perfect, fully detailed, and complete.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

"less problems", sir can u explain ur point, bcoz, their r many things they r worse at, second, i agree how can these mullahs rule the system, even they dont know abt A B C D of islam and quran, it is possible to form a political system based on the true teachings of quran and sunnah, if this is a possibility, than wht v need are good intellectual, knowledgeable muslims not mullahs to form this system and muslims follow it!!, so wht v dont have is "human endeavaurance" to form islamic political of system.

those who argue abt tht and say, quran and sunnah cant form islamic political system and there shuld be a secular, or any non islamic or non religious system, they support the fact, tht, islam rules can only be applied in prayers not in social life, right??

I think the system should empower the person to follow the Koran and Sunnah or the Bible or nothing. I don't like when the state becomes too empowered to become the representatives of religion. Leave religion up to the individual, accommodate everyone but leave it out of governance. If it prevails in society that is something different, but once it gets caught up in government we only make Islam look bad not just Pakistan.

 

[U-571]

many people have different views of understanding religion thats why it may be impossible to mix religion with politics because eventually someone is gonna get offended, but everything will work if we just follow the true meanings of islam as our laws [not the shariah laws as they are a cultural thing and have barely anything to do with the quran]

ur statement can be justified when there r more than one quran, but till now quran has remained one, with no changes!!!, actually, wht really is, these mullahs, who argue abt silly matters!!, and they start fighting over it and then form sects(how foolish), but wht v have to do is to stick to the main msg of quran and sunnah which islam has to offer!!, ppl who started secularism were the christians, look at the bible, read the bible, which version u shuld follow!!!, european revolution was partially result of the enlightenment, for temporary islamic system which prevailed in muslim spain, and partially bcoz the priests(mullahs of christianity) and churches had become so homos, so currupt. so seeing the enlightening sights of human equality in spain and their dark homelands, they decided, they kik priests away and form their own system, by which they prosper, i really doubt, islam influenced the secular thought to develop!!

i remember a dramabaz mullah from a mosque near our home, his habit is, he never prays behind any imam!!!, when ever another imam leads jummah prayers, he never appears in the jamaat, but later after completing my jummah sallaah, i see him sitting in hujra, so he misses his jummah prayers!!

now tell me where does the quran and sunnah teach tht???

 

[A1Kaid]

The problem is you people have your own twisted opinion, your man-made system is not superior to Allah's divine laws. Allah had fore warned the Muslims that people would try to take us astray from the message of the Holy Quran. Also someone had mentioned the Sharia is a "cultural thing" that is not true the Sharia is divine it is ordained by Allah, your secularism is a man-made thing. Ask yourself Allah is not going to judge us in accordance with how well we followed secularism but how well we obey Allah. To be a Muslim we must submit to Allah not secularist, liberal, God forsaken ideology you people want to propose. Unfortunately today the Islamic civilization no longer exist, today everywhere you see man-made laws ruling countries, under Allah's law we are free no dictator, no Secular institutions who think they are so Godly that they may define what is right and wrong. Allah is the path!!!

Islam Zindabad

 

[U-571]

only quran should be followed if religion is to be associated with politics
sunnah and hadith are man-made rules and violate god's saying that the quran should be the only source of religious guidence as it is perfect, fully detailed, and complete.

sunnah is the explanation of quran and nothing more, is confirrms quranic laws, if u have anything to support ur point, u must be the first muslim!!!

doesnt secularism violate quranic rules???

secularism was made by christians of europe, bcoz, seeing the "dark ages" of bible ruling them(actually the priests were continuously plagiarizing bible to support thier deeds), which completely went inhumane in its closing chapters!!!, u can read the bible, as i have and realize how insane it is!!

 

[Kharian_Beast]

I'm not proposing secularism, but I'm not proposing an Islamic dictatorship either. Real source of power is from the Koran, it does not need to be interpreted and enforced on the people through government, that was never the point of Islam to be forced on man through a representative of God aka the state that is a Wahhabist theory.

 

[U-571]

I think the system should empower the person to follow the Koran and Sunnah or the Bible or nothing. I don't like when the state becomes too empowered to become the representatives of religion. Leave religion up to the individual, accommodate everyone but leave it out of governance. If it prevails in society that is something different, but once it gets caught up in government we only make Islam look bad not just Pakistan.

u believe secularism is the solution for all problems??, do u, then u have to prove, bcoz, i dont think, ull ever be able to do so, so if u dont prove this, lets focus on adopting the system which allah has given to us and the problems it has solved for us, which our innocent minds cannot grasp!!!