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That is ironic because you are translating the Quran wrong and also waiting for a Jewish prophet to come down from sky after 2000 years and kill the kafirs and slay the one eyed donkey riding Dajjal. Anyway since this is not a religious forum so i will not go into details but sunnis will have to face the fact that Ahmadis are here to stay and have been steadily growing in their numbers whether you like it or not.

How you clowns call Hazrat Isa AS a Jewish prophet when Islam tells us all Prophets that came before Hazrat Muhammad PBUH were Muslims or did your leaders change that as well?
 
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coz by far they are the most radical...we have 2 enormous masjids in Manchester run by Pakistanis and we have enormous rooms for women there...not sure what is wrong with GUJJI DEOBANDI MUSLIMS?! :unsure:

These are the names of the Management committee

ABOUT - WFIA

Chaudhry Khalid Hussain

Raja Allah Ditta Khan

Karamet Hussain

Mian Habib Hussain

Maqsud Ahmed

Asghar Ali

Dil Mohammed

Khan Dilwar

Abdul Rashid

Raja Tariq Mahmood

Maroof Ahmed Khaliq

Raja Parvez Akhtar

Ghulam Hussain Kayani

Tariq Hussain

Ahmed Khan Malik

Azar Mahmood

Khalid Malik


How do you know they are Gujarati's ? Just curious?
 
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It takes me like a hour to read sht though, even short stuff. My grandmother has been teaching me lately. :D InshAllah phar phar paroun ga. :agree:

Anyway what I posted is accurate or no? If not I will happily remove my comment. :pop:
Although I took the source from their own website.

I dunno I don't get into the whole Ahmediya - Muslim or Not debate ! :unsure:
 
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Last month one Pakistani member suggested Ahmedis to migrate to India... Poor Ahmedi, they would have migrated to india during partition...

Right because we all know Muslims and non (low caste) Hindus have never faced any discrimination in hindustan!

Of course not! :cuckoo:
 
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That is ironic because you are translating the Quran wrong and also waiting for a Jewish prophet to come down from sky after 2000 years and kill the kafirs and slay the one eyed donkey riding Dajjal. Anyway since this is not a religious forum so i will not go into details but sunnis will have to face the fact that Ahmadis are here to stay and have been steadily growing in their numbers whether you like it or not.

Stay ...just dont call yourself Muslims...

Look we have Islam all over the world...before Indian GHULLAM SAHAB came to existence and Ahmedi became popular...no such instructions were found ANYWHERE...MIND YOU each book told the coming of Prophet Muhammad and Nabi Isa..Peace and blessings on both...

But Quran did not forget to mention ghullam sahab...it JUST DOESNT MENTIOn...by adjusting the Quran you guys are going away from being called Muslims....

From Saudi to Indonesia...not 1 had heard of coming of ghullam sahab! Really....all Muslims are wrong except you lot who see THAT AYAT as WRONGLY translated? can I have the "correct" (according to you) translation!
 
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And this argument is usually used to indoctrinate a person who didn't knew or read Ghulaam qadiyani books and his "Khutbaa's". There is a limit to use metaphors, but he crossed that limit.

Bhai I haven't read Mirza Sahib or the rest of the Ahmediya Literature tou mujhee utnaaa hii pataaa hai jitnaa mereii doost nei batayaaa ! :undecided:
 
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As a outsider it is intriguing to see how one Muslim sect fight the other. There is no unity among Muslims. There are hundred of sects that kill the other for blood, and here they are blaming Jews, Christians and Hindus for their misfortunes.
 
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These are the names of the Management committee

ABOUT - WFIA

Chaudhry Khalid Hussain

Raja Allah Ditta Khan

Karamet Hussain

Mian Habib Hussain

Maqsud Ahmed

Asghar Ali

Dil Mohammed

Khan Dilwar

Abdul Rashid

Raja Tariq Mahmood

Maroof Ahmed Khaliq

Raja Parvez Akhtar

Ghulam Hussain Kayani

Tariq Hussain

Ahmed Khan Malik

Azar Mahmood

Khalid Malik


How do you know they are Gujarati's ? Just curious?

I have friends living in that area...Everyone around is either Somali, Pakistani or Indian....you are welcome to drive up and check it up! In fact I will be going to my friend's place want me to check up that name list you posted?
 
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@Always Neutral must be Indian! Please kindly change your flags to India.

As I said, I don't have much time to argue with every Indians and their common trolling.
 
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What do Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) think of Muslims

(In light of Qadiani own Writings)
Muslims declared Kafir (Non-Muslim)
Marriage with non-Qadiani declared Haram
Praying Behind Muslims declared Haram
Funeral Prayer for Muslims declared Haram
Qadiani (Ahmadi) missionaries often attempt to present traditional Islamic belief as dogmatic, unpleasant, and intolerant of other faiths. They approach uninformed Muslims and try to win their sympathy (and perhaps their soul) by displaying their outrage at the fact that all Muslim Scholars have declared them unbelievers and outside the fold of Islam. Naturally, they conveniently omit the true reason for this verdict and instead try to capitalize on emotions and inherent goodness of Muslims. In other pages of this site, we have extensively explained the Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) doctrines that has convinced all informed Muslims Qadianism is Kufr.

In this page, we like to share with you some of their own writings testifying to the fact that they too believe that they have a different religion than what Muslims have been taught by Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) and have been following for 1400 years. Unfortunately, they have plagiarized much of the wonderful teachings and practices of Islam and call their new cult "Islam". They call the followers of Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) unbelievers!

If Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) believe they have a new religion and call the Muslims Kafir, should we call them Muslim?

Please do read the following Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) writings and decide for yourself.

Muslims declared Kafir (Non-Muslim):

"Allah has revealed to me that he who does not follow me and does not give me his oath of allegiance and remains in opposition is disobeying the will of Allah and His Rasul and is Jahannami (doomed to Hell)."
(Collection of Posters, Vol. 3, P. 275; Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"Question: Huzoor-e-aali (Respected Mirza Ghulam) has mentioned in thousands of places that it is not at all right to call Kafir a Kalima-go (someone who recites the Kalima) and an Ahle-Qibla. It is quite obvious that except those Momineen who become Kafir by calling you (Mirza Ghulam) a Kafir, no one becomes a Kafir by merely not accepting you. However, you have now written to Abdul Hakeem Khan that anyone who has received my message and has not accepted me is no longer a Muslim. There is contradiction between this statement and your statements in previous books. Earlier in Tiriaq-ul-Quloob etc you had mentioned that no one becomes Kafir by not accepting you; now you are writing that by rejecting me he becomes a Kafir?!

Answer: This is strange that you consider the person who rejects me and the person who calls me Kafir as two different persons, whereas in the eyes of God he is the same type; because he who does not accept me is because he considers me a fabricator..."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 167, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"All those Muslims who do not enter the fold of the Promised Messiah, whether or not they have heard of Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) are considered Kafirs and are beyond the pale of Islam."
(Aeena-e-Sadaqat, P. 9/35, By Bashir-uddin Mahmud)
"God has revealed it to me that the person who did not believe in me after having heard about me is not a Muslim."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Jan 15, 1935 - Al-Hukum, 4:24, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"It has been revealed to me that the person who did not follow me and did not enter into my fold, is disobedient and as such, should be thrown into Hell."
(Miyar-ul-Akhyar, Vol. 9, P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"He (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has regarded him as an infidel who knows him to be truthful and does not belie him in speech but has not yet entered the fold."
(Tashi-ul-Azhan, 6:4, Apr. 1911, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani -
Aqaid-e-Ahmadia, P. 108)
"A man once asked the first caliph of the Messiah (Hakim Nuruddin Sahib) whether it was possible to attain salvation without having faith in mirza Sahib? He replied: 'If the Word of God is based on truth, it is not possible to attain salvation without having faith in Mirza Sahib."
(Aa'ina-e-Sadaqat, P. 25, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
"In Lucknow, I (Mir Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani) met a man who was a great scholar. He said: 'Those are your enemies who make the propaganda that you condemn people as infidels. I can not believe that such broad minded people as you are can indulge in such things.' The man was making this remark to Sheikh Yaqub Ali Qadiani. I asked him to tell the man that we really believe them as infidels. The man was astonished to hear this."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
"It seems that the Promised Messiah had also suspected that the word 'Muslim' which he used also for non-Ahmadis might be wrongly understood. So, he has made it clear in his writings occasionally that the work 'Muslim' which he used for also non-Ahmadis meant 'those who claimed to be Muslims.' hence, wherever he has used that term for non-Ahmadis, he means by it those who claim to be Muslims, for he could not have recognized those who denied him as Muslims under divine instructions."
(Kalimatul Fasl, Vol. 14, No. 3, P. 126, Sahibaza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
"Chaudhari Sahib (Sir Zafarullah Khan Qadiani) stressed the point that we Ahmadis are Muslims and it is wrong to regard us as infidels. As for the question whether the non-Ahmadis are infidels, the Ahmadis hold that they are infidels. They said so in the subordinate court and the Chaudhari Sahib has supported this statement in the High Court."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 10, No. 21, Sep. 14, 1922)
"O you who are called Muslims! If you really desire Islam's victory and invite the rest of the world to join you, then first come yourselves to the true Islam (Qadianism) which is available throught the Promised Messiah (Mirza of Qadian). It is under his auspices that today the roads to goodness and righteousness are open. By following him alone, man can reach the desired goal of success and salvation. He is the same pride of the former and the latter mankind (Muhammad), who had come 13 centuries ago from now as 'Rahmatul Alemeen' (The Mercy to the Worlds)."
(Al-Fadl, September 26, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 211-212/264, 9th Edition, Lahore)
"To declare those who denied the Holy Prophet(SAW) in his first advent as Kafirs and outside the fold of Islam but to regard the deniers of his second advent (Mirza Ghulam) as Muslim is an insult to the Prophet and a joke against the signs of Allah, since the Promised Messiah has, in the Khutba-e-Ilhamia, compared the mutual relation between the first and the second advents of the Holy Prophet to the relations between the crescent and the full moon."
(Al-Fadl, Vol. 3, No. 10, July 15, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 262)
"The point is now quite clear. If it is Kofr to deny the Merciful Prophet, it must also be Kofr to deny the Promised Messiah, because the Promised Messiah is in no way a separate being from the Merciful Prophet; rather he is the same (Muhammad). If anyone is not considered a Kafir for denying the promised Messiah, then anyone else who denies the Merciful Prophet should not also be considered a Kafir. How is it possible that denying him in his first advent should be considered Kofr, but denying him in his second advent should not be regarded as Kofr, even thought, as claimed by the Promised Messiah, his spiritual attainment is stronger, more complete, and more severe."
(Kalimatul Fasl, P. 146-147; Review of Religions, March-April 1915)
"Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad or believes in Muhammad but does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but he is a confirmed (Pakka) Kafir, and out of the fold of Islam."
(Kalimatul Fasl, P. 110, By Mirza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
"It is incumbent upon us that we should not regard non-Ahmadis as Muslims, nor should we offer prayers behind them, because according to our belief they deny one of the messengers of Allah. This is a matter of faith. None has any discretion in this."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 90, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
Marriage with non-Qadiani Declared Haram:

"He who gives his daughter in marriage to any non-Qadiani is a non-Ahmadi, even though he may call himself Ahmadi... It is also forbidden for our followers to participate in such marriage gathering."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 23, 1931)
"There is no harm if you marry a non-Ahmadi girl because it is allowed to marry women of the people of the Book... But an Ahmadi girl should not be given to a non-Ahmadi. There is no harm in accepting their girl but it is a sin to give them a girl."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 16, 1920)
"It is permitted to marry the daughters of Christians, Hindu, and Sikhs, (but to give them daughters is not allowed)."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Feb. 18, 1930)
"By giving up Ahmadiat I mean to do something which may amount to unbelieving; giving a daughter to any non-Ahmadi also falls in that category."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 4, 1922)
"The fifth tenet that is binding upon my sect in this erase is that you should not give your daughters to non-Ahmadis. He who gives his daughter to a non-Ahmadi does not know what Ahmadiat is. Do you find non-Ahmadis giving their daughters to Hindus or Christians? Non-Ahmadis are, according to our faith Kafir, but they are better than you in this respect. In spite of being Kafirs themselves, they do not give their daughters to Kafirs but you, in spite of being Ahmadi, give your daughters to non-believers."
(Malaika-tullah, P. 46; by Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud)
"The promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has definitely prohibited Ahmadis to give their daughters in marriage to non-Ahmadis (Muslims). Let us be careful in the future. Ahmadis should follow this verdict."
(Barakat-e-Khilafat, P. 75, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani;
Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 20, No. 97, Feb. 14, 1933)
"He who gives his daughter in marriage to a non-Ahmadi youth is not an Ahmadi in my opinion. None can give his daughter in marriage to a person whom he regards as a non-Muslim. The Qadi (Judge) who solemnizes such marriage should be regarded as a person who has conducted the marriage of a Muslim girl with a Christian or Hindu."
(Al-Fazl, Qadiani, Vol. 8, No. 88, May 23, 1921)
"There is no harm in marrying a non-Ahmadi girl because it is permissible to marry women belonging to the people of the Book as it might result in her enlightenment. But we should not give our girls to non-Ahmadis though we can take their girls. It means that there is no harm in talking in non-Ahmadi girls."
(Al-Hukum, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 45, Dec. 16, 1920)
Praying Behind Muslims declared Haram:

"It is my considered religion: it is not permitted that you should offer prayer led by a non-Qadiani in any place whatsoever, whosoever he may be and however respected among the people he may be. This is an order from Allah and this is what Allah expects of you. Those who doubt this are considered deniers. Allah desires that a distinction be made between you and them."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Aug. 28, 1917)
"God has revealed to me that it is forbidden - strictly forbidden - that you should say prayers led by one who believes me to be a liar or is wavering in his allegiance to me. Instead it enjoined upon you that you should follow an Imam from amongst you."
(Arbaeen, Vol. 3, P. 28; "Tuhfa-e-Golarwiah", P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"No Qadiani is allowed to say prayers which are led by a non-Qadiani. People have asked this question again and again - is it permissible to pray behind them? I would say, whenever I am asked, it is not allowed for any Qadiani to pray behind a non-Qadiani. It is forbidden - not permitted - prohibited."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 93)
Funeral Prayer for Muslims declared Haram:

"If one asks 'Is it permitted for us that funeral prayers be said for the children of Muslims', I would say: No - just as it is forbidden to pray for Hindu and Sikh children as the religion must follow his parents."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, Page 93)
'To the question "What must be done to a Muslim who dies in a place where Qadianism is unknown? Should formal prayers be said?" I would say: "We do not know his full particulars but it would appear from his deed that he died in a state in which he was ignorant of Rasul of ALlah and His Nabi. Therefore, no prayers should be said for him. Nor would we say funeral prayers for a Qadiani who has followed a non-Qadiani in prayer or one who mixes with them by this action, he has left the pale of Qadianism."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 6, 1915, Bashir-ul-Din Mahmood Qadiani)
"Fadl Ahmad, the eldest son of promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) from his first wife, died, but he (Mirza Ghulam) did not say funeral prayers over his son as he (Fadl Ahmad) did not believe in his prophethood or in his prophecies, although he was obedient to his father in matters concerning day to day life."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 15, 1931 - Jul. 7 1943, Page 3)
"Hazrat Mirza Ghulam did not attend the funeral service of his son (late Mr. Fazl Ahmad) only because he was a non-Ahmadi (Muslim)."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 47, Nov. 15, 1921)
"Our prayer has been channeled and we are not allowed to marry our daughters to them. To say funeral prayers for them is also prohibited. What else remains that we share with them? Relations are of two kinds: religious and worldly. The former comprises prayers and the latter relates to marriage. Thus, following non-believers in prayer is forbidden and it is also forbidden that you make them your sons-in-law. Should you then ask: 'then why do we greet them?' Then I would say that even the Prophet(pbuh) used to greet the Jews. In short, our Imam (Mirza Ghulam) has declared has declared us a distinct sect in every respect. There is no ceremony which occupies an important position in Islam in which we have not been separated from others."
(Kalimatul-Fasl, Vol. 14, P. 169, Mirza Bashi Ahmed Qadiani)
"If a non-Ahmadi dies is it permissible to say" 'May Allah pardon him and grant him admission in the Heaven?
Answer: The infidelity of the non-Admadis (Muslims) is a proven fact and it is not permissible to pray for their salvation."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 59, Feb. 1921)
"It is an established rule that:
The denial of even one of the prophets os enough to send a person out of the circle of Islam.
It is not permissible to pray for Salvation for a person who is out of the circle of Islam.
And as the Ahmadis believe that:

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was as much a prophet as was Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(pbuh) in the nature of prophethood.
So it is not permissible to pray for the salvation of a person who goes out of the circle of Islam by his denial of Mirza Sahib."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 30, Oct. 17, 1921)
"Chirag Din is a student of the Taleem-ul-Islam High School, Quadian. Recently, when he returned to his native place, Sialkot, his mother died. She had loved her son dearly, but since she was not an Ahmadi, Chirag Din did not attend her funeral prayers. He thus clung to his faith and principle. Well-done; Proud son of Taleem-ul-Islam. The movement (Quadianism) needs worthy sons like you. Well done."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 2, No. 129, Apr. 20, 1915)
"I believe that those who follow the lead of non-Ahmadis (Muslims) in prayers, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service. Similarly, those who have given their daughters in marriage to non-Quadianis and died without repenting, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 13, No. 102, Apr. 13, 1926)
Is it then not a sign of the hypocrisy of Qadiani leadership and missionaries to claim to have ever wanted to be part of the Muslim nation? Yet, even after all this, the door of mercy of God is open to those who sincerely repent, give up false and man-made teachings of Mirza's family, and embrace Islam.
 
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I agree with you India is no better and that's why the UK authorities must ensure this mosque management is changed immediately so we don't become another India or Pakistan on such issues.

I'm sry but that's not ok,every faith has the right to reject anyone who they judge not to be in accordance with their beliefs and deny them burrial rights,baptism,marriage in church/mosque etc.A few months a guy ,some actor died,as per his will he was cremated and because of that(it's against christian beliefs to incinerate your body) he was denied church services at the funeral.His family went against the church creating a media circus but people have to understand that if you want to be part of a certain faith there are rules to respect.Bend the rules and you're out and nobody can be forced to cater to your needs.It's as simple as that.
 
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Are you frustrated you can't put me in jail for calling myself a Muslim because i am not in the Land of Pure?

I am disgusted to the core if this incident really happened. its sickening

But also never forget where you come from. Whether he's frustrated or not is irrelevant and doesn't affect you. But you country of origin is still Pakistan I assume
 
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These are the names of the Management committee

ABOUT - WFIA

Chaudhry Khalid Hussain

Raja Allah Ditta Khan

Karamet Hussain

Mian Habib Hussain

Maqsud Ahmed

Asghar Ali

Dil Mohammed

Khan Dilwar

Abdul Rashid

Raja Tariq Mahmood

Maroof Ahmed Khaliq

Raja Parvez Akhtar

Ghulam Hussain Kayani

Tariq Hussain

Ahmed Khan Malik

Azar Mahmood

Khalid Malik


How do you know they are Gujarati's ? Just curious?

whats WAFI we are talking about Lea Bridge masjid:

Madina Masjid

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As much we want to respect other religions, we can look at his face, something is not right. God revealed to us and taught us everything, that's what Ahmaddiyah movement (1889s) tried to erase original teaching.

Fortunately, billion Muslims around the world would not forget Quran easily, Satan must be working hard to astray us!

What is not right? People have converted to Islam Ahmadiyya just be seeing him in their dreams and even looking at his photo. You started this personal attack shame on you.
 
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