Sukmawati Sukarnoputri, daughter of former Indonesia president, converts to Hinduism from Islam

[Sage]

I wonder what you would say of the mullah.

Depends which mullah are you talking about ?

 

[Maula Jatt]

Depends which mullah are you talking about ?

 

[maverick1977]

In the world's most populous Muslim nation, Indonesia's founding father and first president, Sukarno's daughter converted into Hinduism from Islam

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In the world's most populous Muslim nation, Indonesia's founding father and first president, Sukarno's daughter on Tuesday converted into Hinduism from Islam.

Sukmawati Sukarnoputri, 69, converted into Hinduism in a ritual called 'Sudhi Wadani' as the ceremony happened at the Sukarno Centre Heritage Area in Bali's Buleleng Regency.

The main religion followed in Bali is Hinduism, however, it is different from the Hindu religion practised in India. Sukmawati's grandmother Ida Ayu Nyoman Rai Srimben, who is Balinese, played a major role in influencing the 69-year-old's decision to convert to Hinduism.

Sukmawati's lawyer, while informing about Sukmawati’s decision, said that the 69-year-old has extensive knowledge of all rituals of Hindu theology as well as doctrines.

A friend of Sukmawati's, who told the South China Morning Post that her relatives gave their blessings for the conversion, said that process was a “demonstration of courage”. The friend said that the conversion demonstrates a shining example of the Sukarno family’s “religious tolerance”.


The 69-year-old had been interested in the Hindu religion for the last 20 years and has read the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, the two great Indian epics, the friend said.

Sukmawati's parents played a major role in the independence of Indonesia from the Dutch and Sukarno, her father, became the first president of the nation after Indonesia was declared independent in 1945. He served for 22 years and was deposed in 1967.

In 2018, the 69-year-old had called herself a “proud Muslim” after she was accused of blasphemy for reciting a poem at a fashion event that purportedly insulted the hijab and call to prayer.

Sukmawati Sukarnoputri, daughter of former Indonesia president, converts to Hinduism from Islam

In the world's most populous Muslim nation, Indonesia's founding father and first president, Sukarno's daughter converted into Hinduism from Islam

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There is no respite if anyone challenges the ones of God.

 

[fallstuff]

Sounds political to me, like a drama queen. People without faith are like that. Three years ago she said she is a proud Muslim, thus it is a valid question to ask, what changes she made to her belief since then? Does she think there is no God now? Or there are many gods now?

Give her 3 days more, she will have a new religion after 3 days

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Boss if it makes sense for you or not is your perogative... I said what it is.. That is why we Indian here trying to say that you cannot draw boundaries for Hinduism, when it comes to philosophies propounded by various gurus of sanatana dharam which now ppl around world call it Hinduisim. Sanatan Dharama is reflection of God, you can give few attributes but you cannot define it.. I rest my case.

Hindu identity came later in history and is an exonym. Hinduism accepts idolatry, hence it is a 'follower' culture. But, the basis of Hinduism is in Brahmin led Sanathan Dharm referenced in the classical or the middle Sanskrit Vedic period. Sanathan at first glance is the monotheist concept of eternal universal law and faith, but it has incorporated pantheistic [idolatrous] meaning.

Sanathan is not the only religious identity developed from the Vedic period. I am monotheist Bihari whose ancestry is not Hindu or Buddhist. Reference to Vihar is found in early Vedic period. Wikipedia Vihara: "The concept is ancient and in early Sanskrit and [later] Pali texts, it meant any arrangement of space or facilities for dwellings. The term evolved into an architectural concept wherein it refers to living quarters for monks with an open shared space or courtyard".

Vihar was not any space, it had to be dwelling and/or worship place for the ruling caste who were believers in God. That is why it has faith based meaning, expanding to include monks later in history. The Vedic ruling caste faith was monotheist Vihari/Bihari.

 

[prashantazazel]

The runaround, I have been through this with others. You did not explain it, but I did. Hinduism is a philosophy of idolatry that displaces God from the position of the all powerful Creator and associates Him with the physical universe which produces multitude of idols [pantheism].

Some faiths have more of a metaphysical bent than a pure literal one.
So in broad sense, Hinduism is a collection of common religious and social practices, plus ideas regarding the universe/nature.

Most major religions try to explain the world according to their perspective.
You find one of them as correct.
Another person might like another.
To me, all such religious explanations are outdated, hilarious even.

So one Hindu might believe in Brahma as creator and others with different purposes, while another may believe in one God (most Hindus have a concept of the holy Trinity, which to them is a manifestation of a singularity.) Some believe in multiple gods, with major and minor gods.
Then there are those who just care about cultural practices, and aren't sure about God. Some are atheists. Some are animists and nature lovers...
Some follow saints or their own village gods.
Idols are a representation of the gods in almost every faith that has idols. Quite common since ancient times, actually.
If you are looking for comparison, ancient Greek faith comes close, with gods like Ares, the god of war; Aphrodite, the goddess of love, Apollo, the sun god. Ancient Egypt had Ra, Isis, Osiris.

 

[jamahir]

Depends which mullah are you talking about ?

For example, other than the one @Sainthood 101 posted I will speak of certain "respectable" one in Pakistan who said that earthquakes occur because women do immoral things.

Or what about those in the world who send out criminals from all over the world to fight NATO's battles against the progressive Muslim-majority systems in Libya and Syria ?

If you are looking for comparison, ancient Greek faith comes close, with gods like Ares, the god of war; Aphrodite, the goddess of love, Apollo, the sun god. Ancient Egypt had Ra, Isis, Osiris.

It is most probable that Hindus before 2500 years adopted the mythologies and epics of the Greeks and others and the Hindutvadis raised those mythologies to obscene levels.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Most major religions try to explain the world according to their perspective.
You find one of them as correct.
Another person might like another.
To me, all such religious explanations are outdated, hilarious even.

Belief in the unseen Creator is a logical belief which resides in the consciousness or in the heart like a gift from God. It is acquired by our own will and reasoning. Those who want it, get it. Prophet Ibrahim arrived at belief in God when he was in his late teens with his own reasoning laid out in the Quran.

 

[prashantazazel]

It is most probable that Hindus before 2500 years adopted the mythologies and epics of the Greeks and others and the Hindutvadis raised those mythologies to obscene levels.

I don't think see.
Ancient people see the sun.
"There must be a sun god."

Oceans are powerful and dangerous.
"There must be a water god."

Lightning strikes.
"There must be a thunder/lightning/sky God."

No idea how things come into being.
"There must be a creator God."
Lol

 

[prashantazazel]

Belief in the unseen Creator is a logical belief which resides in the consciousness or in the heart like a gift from God. It is acquired by our own will and reasoning. Those who want it, get it. Prophet Ibrahim arrived at belief in God when he was in his late teens with his own reasoning laid out in the Quran.

What's logical to you may not be so for the next person....
Many older faiths have faded. Others are fading as we speak.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

I don't think see.
Ancient people see the sun.
"There must be a sun god."

Oceans are powerful and dangerous.
"There must be a water god."

Lightning strikes.
"There must be a thunder/lightning/sky God."

No idea how things come into being.
"There must be a creator God."
Lol

Whoa. You are assuming a science based explanation of nature explains away God. Not true. Science describes the universe under the law of conservation which says energy cannot be created. Then, where did energy come from? Science cannot answer it under the rules of science but religion can. Science and religion are different subjects [under God].

 

[prashantazazel]

Whoa. You are assuming a science based explanation of nature explains away God. Not true. Science describes the universe under the law of conservation which says energy cannot be created. Then, where did energy come from? Science cannot answer it under the rules of science but religion can. Science and religion are different subjects [under God].

Neither offer any solid proof as of now.
You see a creator in it.
I see randomness. I see how Insignificant life really is, compared to the size of the universe.
Humanity is barely a hundred years into advanced sciences. Such existential questions would need time and extensive research.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

What's logical to you may not be so for the next person....
Many older faiths have faded. Others are fading as we speak.

Belief in God is independent of time and place. It is logical but not everybody believes because they want physical proof. If we get physical proof of God, then it would not be classified belief anymore, but a fact. That will not happen in this life.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Neither offer any solid proof as of now.
You see a creator in it.
I see randomness. I see how Insignificant life really is, compared to the size of the universe.
Humanity is barely a hundred years into advanced sciences. Such existential questions would need time and extensive research.

The question of where energy came from cannot be answered in science. Science itself declares it is beyond the scope of science -"Energy cannot be created or destroyed". In science, energy simply exists and asking where it came from is not a valid question but is very valid question in religion.

 

[prashantazazel]

The question of where energy came from cannot be answered in science. Science itself declares it is beyond the scope of science -"Energy cannot be created or destroyed". In science, energy simply exists and asking where it came from is not a valid question but is very valid question in religion.

The law of conservation of energy was modified when scientists realised mass was another form of energy.
It can be modified in the future too, depending on the proof.
It is not beyond the scope of science. Current science is inadequate to explain it completely. But as I mentioned earlier, advanced sciences are still in early stages... We were all savages going back a few hundred/thousand years.