Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions

[ANPP]

^^^^
But now situation is changed. While others were struggling due economic reasons, USA funded them freely. And now it is far ahead of other counties.

 

[Koovie]

You can easily add 10 years more as a more realist date...... most optimistic would be 7 years more atleast.

At the current state, everything seems to go according to plan in Russia. So its likely that we will get the 1st prototype next year according to the plan.

 

[S-DUCT]

At the current state, everything seems to go according to plan in Russia. So its likely that we will get the 1st prototype next year according to the plan.

Who is in charge of FGFA prototype..india or russia ?

 

[Koovie]

Who is in charge of FGFA prototype..india or russia ?

The one which comes here next year?

I guess the IAF and HAL will play around with it.

But I havent read anything related to this, just my guess.

 

[S-DUCT]

The one which comes here next year?

I guess the IAF and HAL will play around with it.

But I havent read anything related to this, just my guess.

But don't you think that 2 years is very short time frame to develope the 1st prototype.
IMO,it would take around 4-5 years if they try to build from scratch.
or
They will just assemble Semi-knocked-downkits.

 

[Koovie]

But don't you think that 2 years is very short time frame to develope the 1st prototype.
IMO,it would take around 4-5 years if they try to build from scratch.
or
They will just assemble Semi-knocked-downkits.

I highly doubt that it will be built in India. Although no one ever officially excluded that possibility but its highly unlikey since HAL does not have the capabilities to build a stealth fighter till next year. Or the coming 5 years to be honest.

I think its good that we get the prototypes so early since we paid 30 billion

 

[DARKY]

At the current state, everything seems to go according to plan in Russia. So its likely that we will get the 1st prototype next year according to the plan.

No Its an year after the next year... and I was talking of a 3rd squadron and not some Prototype.

 

[Srinivas]

Russia, India Describe Next-Gen Fighter Plans

The air force commanders of both Russia and India have this month discussed the progress and future schedule of the fifth-generation Sukhoi fighter project. They are keen to have their own pilots evaluate the design so that they can take a decision on further funding for the project.
Russian air force commander Gen. Victor Bondarev said that he expects all four flyable prototypes of the so-called PAKFA (Future Aviation Complex of Frontal Aviation) to gather at the defense ministry’s test base and firing range near Akhtubinsk in Southern Russia, for customer assessment and weapons release trials. By the year-end their number shall increase to eight. If tests are a success, the PAKFA will go into series production in late 2015 or early 2016.

In his turn, Indian air force chief of staff told journalists at the recent Aero India show that he expects arrival of three PAKFA development prototypes in India, the first in 2015, the second in 2017 and the third in 2018. Air Marshall N. A. K. Browne said that the design and development phase of what India calls the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) is proceeding well under “a small-value contract.” When it is completed later this year, India and Russia will sign a new R&D contract “which is the mother of all phases,” he added.

Should India be satisfied with flight performance of the FGFA, it will fund the next phase: creation of a customized version for the Indian air force by a joint team of Russian and Indian engineers. The Indian version would use same airframe, engines and main systems, and differ in mission hardware and software, as well as weapons nomenclature. Series airframes manufacturing would commence at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in 2022, Browne added.
At Aero India, United Aircraft Corporation’s president Mikhail Pogosyan said that Russia and India would buy “over 400” aircraft and that the total market would exceed 600. He confirmed that all four prototypes built to date are now in flight test, and said that additional development aircraft will be completed “as necessary, after the two sides sign the full-scale development contract.”

Pogosyan further insisted that both Russian and Indian versions “will be based not only on the same platform, but also have identical onboard systems and avionics.” Indian air force specialists had been involved in working out specification to the aircraft “from the very beginning and through all development phases.” He continued, “It may happen that in future there will be some specific [national] requirements for onboard systems or additional missions, but these would be formally agreed by both customers.” Pogosyan expects the FGFA to follow the Su-30MKI/MKM example, in which “the Indian and Malaysian air forces use the very same platform, with the difference confined to a few avionics items.”

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/air-wa...ibe-next-gen-fighter-plans.html#ixzz2MJ6F9gWQ



Russia, India Describe Next-Gen Fighter Plans | Aviation International News

 

[ejaz007]

Latest update:


March 1/13: Plans & Schedule. High-level Russian and Indian sources offer a bit more clarity concerning dates, but they seem to be at odds regarding electronics.

Russian VVF commander Gen. Victor Bondarev expects weapons release trials to begin in 2013, as the number of aircraft rises from 4 – 8. If tests go well, the fighter could enter series production in late 2015 or early 2016. Based on past fighter programs, that may be a bit optimistic.

Meanwhile, IAF chief of staff Air Marshall N.A.K. Browne is expecting to sign the big design & development contract for the FGFA in 2013. They’ll receive 3 developmental prototypes in India in 2015, 2017 and then 2018, rather than the wider 2014-2019 window reported earlier. That SDD version would apparently be fully common between Russia and India, making Pogosyan (vid. Feb 7/13) correct to that point. India would then fund, as a separate project, FGFA (SU-50KI?) customization for the Indian air force by a joint team of Russian and Indian engineers. The difference is described as “mission hardware and software,” though it would be surprising if Indian bureaucrats’ fetish for “indigenization” was forced to stop there. Series manufacturing would begin at HAL in 2022.

If true, it means that India wouldn’t see operational serving FGFA fighters until 2025 at the earliest, and that’s only if HAL’s known industrial issues with high-tech production (vid. LCA Tejas & M-MRCA programs) are fully solved by 2022. AIN


https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/india-russia-in-negotiations-re-nextgeneration-fighter-03133/

 

[Jayanta]

Can anybody say whether the FGFA will be better than the mighty F-22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrwwtq8gnww

 

[sancho]

Can anybody say whether the FGFA will be better than the mighty F-22

At this point no, because it's just in prototype stage. However in certain fields it is very likely to be better than the F22, cruise speed, range, payload, detection capability for example.

 

[ANPP]

Can anybody say whether the FGFA will be better than the mighty F-22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrwwtq8gnww

No, Raptor was completely design for stealth. So indeed it has better stealth.
But PAKFA will have better maneuverability & indeed better avionic and situation awareness compare to Raptor.


Well I read somewhere that PAKFA will use plasma stealth, is ti true & can anyone exlain.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

No, Raptor was completely design for stealth. So indeed it has better stealth.
But PAKFA will have better maneuverability & indeed better avionic and situation awareness compare to Raptor.


Well I read somewhere that PAKFA will use plasma stealth, is ti true & can anyone exlain.

plasma stealth is still in preliminary testing stage only and will take a long long time if it ever gets operational.

 

[gambit]

Can anybody say whether the FGFA will be better than the mighty F-22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrwwtq8gnww

That video has been debunked a long time ago and many times over here.

 

[Sergi]

The main advantage of F-22 is its ability to hit the targets before they can see it. What if some new a/c manage to achieve certain degree of stealth ( or say F-15 ) and come in WVR rage if F-22. Will it( f-22) be still superior ??? @gambit @sancho @Oscar