Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions
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Moscow, Aug 15 (IANS/ITAR -TASS) Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) has completed the front-end engineering design of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) for India's Air Force, UAC president Mikhail Pogosyan said Friday.
The UAC is preparing the contract on the aircraft's full-scale development for signing, he told Arms-Tass.
"We have completed the front end engineering design stage," he said. "The work on the preparation of the contract on the FGFA full-scale development is now in progress," he added.
The FGFA development and production is a major project of Russian-Indian military-technical cooperation.
The two sides signed the corresponding agreement in Moscow in October 2007. In December 2010, Russia's Rosoboronexport arms exporter, Sukhoi company and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited signed a contract on the aircraft's front end engineering design development.
Since January 2012, a group of India's specialists has been working in Russia, and Russia's specialists in India. The two sides have established the required information exchange.
FGFA is developed on the basis of the Russian PAK FA fifth-generation fighter project. However, it will differ from the prototype to meet Indian Air Force's specific requirements.
Russia prepares 5th-generation fighter for India - Yahoo News India
What exactly is Indian contribution to this aircraft ? Both monetarily and tech-wise.
And what about export to third countries ? How much say will India have in the matter and what will be Indian share of the money, if any ?
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Monetarily both will invest 25-30 billion each, export to third countries will be decided jointly - it's a 50-50 JV and as for the tech input..
HAL will be manufacturing FGFA in house, plus IAF will want to integrate western (probably French and Israeli) and indigenous avionics in it's plane.
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Nope , it's a Flanker for sure .
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Development of Sukhoi FGFA on course, full-scale development contract being drafted
Moscow/ New Delhi: The front-end engineering design of Sukhoi FGFA, the fifth generation fighter plane being jointly developed by Russia and India for Indian Air Force has been completed.
The United Aircraf Corporation (UAC), the company beghind the designing of the state-of-the-art fighter jet, is under the process of preparing the contract for full-scale development of the jet.
The Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) or Perspective Multi-role Fighter (PMF) is a fifth-generation fighter being developed by India and Russia.
The Indian model will bear slight difference from its Russian counterpart based upon the needs of Indian Air Force.
FGFA was the earlier designation for the Indian version, while the combined project is now called the Perspective Multi-Role Fighter (PMF).
Two separate prototypes will be developed, one by Russia and a separate one by India.
According to erstwhile HAL chairman A.K. Baweja (speaking shortly after the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Committee meeting on 18 September 2008), both the Russian and Indian versions of the aircraft will be single-seater. The first aircraft is to begin testing in India in 2014, with introduction into service expected by 2022.
Last year, India and Russia signed a contract to arm the jet with never-seen-before advanced air engagement system.
The K-77M air-to-air missile will combine fire-and-forget guidance and single-shot-kill that will triumph over any evasive manoeuvres by the target.
"The major innovation of the K-77M air-to-air missile is its guidance system, based on an active phased array antenna (APAA) of its own, Izvestia daily reports. With APAA onboard, the missile has zero reaction time to unexpected evolutions of the target, which means that once it locks on an aircraft, it would hit it no matter what aerial acrobatics the target would perform to shake off the inbound killer missile," quoted Russia Today.
Development of Sukhoi FGFA well on course, full-scale development contract being drafted - daily.bhaskar.com
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Update on PMF/FGFA programme
August 30, 2014: India and Russia will soon sign new $11 billion contract for the crucial experimental design phase of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) programme. This follows a series of contracts since 2007, including a general contract on joint design and production, followed by a contract for engineering development. The crucial phase will involve the actual 'shift' of some of the work to India, including the setting up of facilities, building the Indian prototype and flight testing that is expected to begin by the end of this decade. The Indian Prospective Multirole Fighter (PMF), as the Indian single-seat version is officially called, will take shape during this crucial phase, with deeper clarity on the workshare between Sukhoi and HAL.
As things stand, the IAF plans to order 144 single-seat aircraft. Indications are that there is negligible scope for HAL to tinker with the T-50/PAK FA airframe given the timeframes provided by the IAF for delivery. Secondly, HAL will not be looking to improve upon an airframe that will be largely proven in test flights by the time the Indian PMF prototype takes shape in fabrication facilities. While development work itself may be something of a fait accompli given that the Russians are already testing a full fleet of prototypes, including two ground test aircraft, HAL has been asked not to surrender workshare in the final matrix of cooperation. Currently there are four T-50 fighter aircraft undergoing flight tests in Zhukovsky (The first flight of the PAK FA took place on January 29, 2010 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.) Two more are dedicated to ground testing: one as a complex ground stand and the other undergoes static tests. The complexity of the negotiations and deliberations mean there is a fear that HAL could settle for much less work than initially agreed upon, thereby placing the IAF in precisely the sort of position it is looking to avoid: total dependence on Russia for yet another frontline platform.
The flight test programme had a bit of a scare in June this year when after the regular test flight of T-50 prototype at the airfield of the M.M.Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky near Moscow, while the plane was landing, a fire broke out and smoke was observed above the right air intake. The fire was quickly extinguished but not before some damage to the airframe.The aircraft is still under repair, with the Sukhoi Design Bureau's commission still investigate the causes of the accident. Sukhoi had stated at the time that this incident would not affect the timing of the T-50 test program.
In February this year, one prototype of the T-50, piloted by the test pilot of the 1st Class Sergey Chernyshev, flew to the 929th Chkalov State Flight Test Centre’s airfield in Akhtubinsk for joint testing, where the aircraft was put through aero-dynamic features evaluation, tests of stability and controllability and of dynamic strength, function check of on-board equipment and aircraft systems. According to Sukhoi, the optical locator system as well as active electronically scanned array radar was tested on the aircraft with "positive results obtained". Crucial air refueling mode was also tested. "Supermaneuverability tests of the aircraft are under way. Aircraft systems are being tested on the test stands, ground experimental works continue," the design bureau states.
Constant comparisons with the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II don't bother the Russians too much. They believe that a long-term relationship makes them a natural partner in the PMF programme. "Compared to the previous generation fighters, the PAK FA combines the functions of a strike aircraft and a fighter, thus offering a number of unique capabilities. The use of composite materials and innovative technologies plus the aerodynamic layout of the aircraft, special airframe coating and measures to reduce the power plant, antenna and cockpit signature assure unprecedentedly low radar, optical and infrared observability. This considerably improves the operational effectiveness against air and ground targets at all times and in all weathers," says Sukhoi.
HAL says, "The proposed FGFA will have air combat superiority, high tactical capability, group action capability in the regions even with poor communication support. The aircraft will have advanced features like increased stealth, supersonic cruise, sata link and network centric warfare capability."
Update on PMF/FGFA programme
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August 30, 2014: India and Russia will soon sign new $11 billion contract for the crucial experimental design phase of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) programme. This follows a series of contracts since 2007, including a general contract on joint design and production, followed by a contract for engineering development. The crucial phase will involve the actual 'shift' of some of the work to India, including the setting up of facilities, building the Indian prototype and flight testing that is expected to begin by the end of this decade. The Indian Prospective Multirole Fighter (PMF), as the Indian single-seat version is officially called, will take shape during this crucial phase, with deeper clarity on the workshare between Sukhoi and HAL.
As things stand, the IAF plans to order 144 single-seat aircraft. Indications are that there is negligible scope for HAL to tinker with the T-50/PAK FA airframe given the timeframes provided by the IAF for delivery. Secondly, HAL will not be looking to improve upon an airframe that will be largely proven in test flights by the time the Indian PMF prototype takes shape in fabrication facilities. While development work itself may be something of a fait accompli given that the Russians are already testing a full fleet of prototypes, including two ground test aircraft, HAL has been asked not to surrender workshare in the final matrix of cooperation. Currently there are four T-50 fighter aircraft undergoing flight tests in Zhukovsky (The first flight of the PAK FA took place on January 29, 2010 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.) Two more are dedicated to ground testing: one as a complex ground stand and the other undergoes static tests. The complexity of the negotiations and deliberations mean there is a fear that HAL could settle for much less work than initially agreed upon, thereby placing the IAF in precisely the sort of position it is looking to avoid: total dependence on Russia for yet another frontline platform.
The flight test programme had a bit of a scare in June this year when after the regular test flight of T-50 prototype at the airfield of the M.M.Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky near Moscow, while the plane was landing, a fire broke out and smoke was observed above the right air intake. The fire was quickly extinguished but not before some damage to the airframe.The aircraft is still under repair, with the Sukhoi Design Bureau's commission still investigate the causes of the accident. Sukhoi had stated at the time that this incident would not affect the timing of the T-50 test program.
In February this year, one prototype of the T-50, piloted by the test pilot of the 1st Class Sergey Chernyshev, flew to the 929th Chkalov State Flight Test Centre’s airfield in Akhtubinsk for joint testing, where the aircraft was put through aero-dynamic features evaluation, tests of stability and controllability and of dynamic strength, function check of on-board equipment and aircraft systems. According to Sukhoi, the optical locator system as well as active electronically scanned array radar was tested on the aircraft with "positive results obtained". Crucial air refueling mode was also tested. "Supermaneuverability tests of the aircraft are under way. Aircraft systems are being tested on the test stands, ground experimental works continue," the design bureau states.
Constant comparisons with the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II don't bother the Russians too much. They believe that a long-term relationship makes them a natural partner in the PMF programme. "Compared to the previous generation fighters, the PAK FA combines the functions of a strike aircraft and a fighter, thus offering a number of unique capabilities. The use of composite materials and innovative technologies plus the aerodynamic layout of the aircraft, special airframe coating and measures to reduce the power plant, antenna and cockpit signature assure unprecedentedly low radar, optical and infrared observability. This considerably improves the operational effectiveness against air and ground targets at all times and in all weathers," says Sukhoi.
HAL says, "The proposed FGFA will have air combat superiority, high tactical capability, group action capability in the regions even with poor communication support. The aircraft will have advanced features like increased stealth, supersonic cruise, sata link and network centric warfare capability."
Update on PMF/FGFA programme
- SP’s Exculsive
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What nonsense. The Russians are currently developing and testing "their" T50 prototypes while FGFA prototypes will be developed jointly with HAL even today. The decision to go for a single seater at first, obviously limits HAL's design workshare, but the crucial point was, how they can implement changes required by the IAF into the fighter, from design stage. That will be the most important point of the coming contracts and works shares, how much Indian parts actually will be added into the first and into the later PMF versions.
A logical way could be:
- early Pak Fa from 2016 - for Russia only
- early PMF from 2019 - for Russia, India and exports
- later PMF with twin seat and more changes - for India only
The early PMF then would be the one with the big numbers, that also could be provided to export customers and therefor would reduce the costs the most, while Russia and India would still get their own version according to their requirements (early Pak Fa and the fully fledged PMF).
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@sancho
I do think that HAL would have to make minimal design changes on the air frame even after signing the 2nd contract exclusively for indian
FFGA .Because of the strict timelines of induction .
Think logically if major design change does happens on FFGA then it would take further time for testing it's aerodynamic design on a new prototype
& it would be technologically not feasible to build a same plane with 2 different looking platforms .
Basically PAK-fa of russia or FFGA for india would have same design with minor structural changes eg 2 seater or some enhanced composities on it's airframe.
Avionics wise it might be different but structurally i dont beleive major design changes would be feasible economically & technologically
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I do think that HAL would have to make minimal design changes on the air frame even after signing the 2nd contract exclusively for indian
FFGA .Because of the strict timelines of induction .
Think logically if major design change does happens on FFGA then it would take further time for testing it's aerodynamic design on a new prototype
& it would be technologically not feasible to build a same plane with 2 different looking platforms .
Basically PAK-fa of russia or FFGA for india would have same design with minor structural changes eg 2 seater or some enhanced composities on it's airframe.
Avionics wise it might be different but structurally i dont beleive major design changes would be feasible economically & technologically
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