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I think The MKI is the winner ,but don't underestimate it we to have a so called pigeon (Mig-21)Which works well when in large numbers4.5-Gen SU 30 MKI is an eagle and 3-Gen JF 17 is a pigeon. You can imagine the fight.
No one doubts the fact that china will eventually get a stealth fighter the J-10 is not stealthy if you want to know why read my previous postLOL, for ppl for does not believe china will have stealth planes before 2015, I will just tell you one thing: the J-XX 001 has already been produced
Jigs,
How did you make that assumption that MKI beats the thunder in dogfights? Were you informed by some PAF official in this regard? Please share with us if this is the case. Let me clarify something here that many under estimate. You cannot compare A with B without sufficient evidence and info of various parameters. You being a Turkish must know that even F-5 tiger gave a hell of a time to MANY fighters all over the world. Why? simple, it is small, very nifty and can stand on its own in WVR engagements. Your statement is vague as I personally came to know that thunder is awesome at turning at close corners and was behind the Falcon within seconds during trials. This is a FACT and a glimpse of it can be seen in the video of first Squadron induction ceremony where it made faster turns than the Falcon.
The bottom line is, please do not compare As with Bs on hypothetical basis, especially when you have no clue whatsoever.
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Its highly unlikely that the Su-30MKI will ever face a JF-17 in a dogfight since it doesn't have to. The objective of a Su-30MKI pilot would not be to prove something in a dogfight but to finish up his job and return home; and whether we like it or not, he has enough options at his disposal to finish up his job without getting into a dogfight.How did you make that assumption that MKI beats the thunder in dogfights?
Its highly unlikely that the Su-30MKI will ever face a JF-17 in a dogfight since it doesn't have to. The objective of a Su-30MKI pilot would not be to prove something in a dogfight but to finish up his job and return home; and whether we like it or not, he has enough options it his disposal to finish up his job without getting into a dogfight.
Secondly, if a Su-30MKI pilot ever decided to engage into a dogfight with a JF-17, it will have an edge due to the thrust vectoring.
Maybe in a dog fight but not in air superiority at least for now...till its upgraded furtherThere is no way a JF-17 can beat a Su30-MKI
I don't see a comparison there. JF-17 is good but doesn't mean you can pit it against anything. It would be suitable if it was compared with bisons or mig 29 at max.
Maybe in a dog fight but not in air superiority at least for now...till its upgraded further
Yup we should pit it against mig21 bisons..didnt one just crash 2 days back?Hell who care.
Plus the fact that AWACS not exactly Stealthy or maneuverable to avoid such a long range missile.
Don't see the PAF's plane equipped with any thing like that in near future or even in the far future
Let me tell you... JF-17 upgrade will be done before any IAF...Its not even been a week that the plane was inducted and they're talking about upgrades. Sure block II would be better but it ain't gonna turn it into an F22 either. Upgrades are just proposed, not decided yet. So talking about upgrades is not promising for now.
There is no way a JF-17 can beat a Su30-MKI
I don't see a comparison there. JF-17 is good but doesn't mean you can pit it against anything. It would be suitable if it was compared with bisons or mig 29 at max.