The point was to classify it as an offensive fighter not just a fighter with defensive role.
Offensve fighters are the high end of any airforce. Unless the airfleet is short of planes at the moment or in the area, defensive fighters are not sent over for strike.
Are you saying that APG-69 radar equivalent is not adequate? or AESA radar for the future batch is not adequate? Payload is 3,800 kg with 7 hardpoints, quite adequate to perform a given mission which can include multiple sidewinder and air to ground weapons dependent on the mission.
WHO has said that the KLJ-7 is an equivalnt to the APG 69?
Correct me if i am wrong here..but doesnt the KLF-7 track 10 while engage 2?
And whether or not it will have AESA is a decision that is going to be taken a LLONG time later. JF-17 is not even inducted in more than token numbers, an upgrade, a massive one if an AESA were to be put in, is a LONG way off.
The payload is not enough is you were to attack say India. Planes like J-10 or the Su-30 series are made for that purpose. If and when the PAF do decide to strike India, they would use nothing short of their F-16's and J-10, if they have that.
It might look to you that 3800kg is sufficient to perform strike tasks, but its not, heavy payload planes are essential for that task in a highly guarded environment, where there would be need to take out the defences at the border itself before progressing to strike missions in the near interior.
Like i said, even MiG 21's can be used as an offensive plane, but what matters is what the plane was designed for.
What is wrong with the air frame? The air frame is same as what is used in dozens of other fighters. There is no need to put crappy composites which in a result make a plane rejected by an air force.
(Need the link for composites needing in JF-17. I dont think PAF would like it with composites.)
Crappy composites? Are u joking with me? PAF would not
LIKE composites in their planes?? They would KILL TO HAVE IT AT ANY COST. I dont need to enlighten you on the need for composites if you make such childish comments. Composites are essential in any new plane.
This is a plain attitude of denial, or that since JF-17 does not have it, then surely PAF does not WANT them!
True, however it is ONE of the things which support the role of an offensive aircraft. Are you still suggesting that the aircraft cannot be used in an offensive role?
I already said, even MiG 21's can be used in an offensive role. But they would not be effective. JF-17's wont be even nearly as effective as F-16's, J-10s, etc in an offensive role.
That is WHY PAF wants to get J-10's also in a small number.
JF-17 are just for defence. Which is a very good decision of the commanders. It is to overwhelm the attacking force with numbers. Its an excellent and cheap platform for that purpose, and the commanders need to be lauded for that choice. However, for an attacking role, JF-17 would be the worst mistake.
Nobody is underestimating Su-30MKI, but somebody is underestimating JF-17. During the comparison "it will have" will always be used since the aircraft is fairly new and is already being evaluated and customized compare to an already many years old Su-30 aircraft.
The Su-30 in IAF will also undergo upgradation, have newer things installed as technology progresses.
No aircraft is a god sent aircraft, hence it can be shot down regardless of already damage it can give. The aircraft is doing fine without the composites and is still a light weight aircraft. We dont want to further delay the project like LCA.
It is doing fine without composites, hell it can do fine without loads of other things, so why install them. Composites, etc are there for many reasons, but using them makes the plane more expensive.. Its a light weight a/c cuz its single engined, and for a single engined plane of such specifications, it has trremendous scope for imprvoment, that is it could do with SOME composites atleast. Composites also reduce RCS quite a bit incidentally. It is one of the hallmarks of stealth, using composites that is.
As far as TVC is concerned. Neither F-16, F-18, or majority of aircrafts doesn't have TVC but still they are capable of engaging and shooting down any aircraft.
Yeah, but they dont and cant match have the monouverability of other planes like Su-30 or MiG 35 that was being talked about. And thus such planes(Su-30MKI/MiG 35) have that particular advantage against their enemy.
You said JF-17 can be more manouverable than the MiG 35. Now that is not possible, unless god made the JF-17 himself.
Why do you think that hte F-22 has 2-D TVC then?
Your wishes for not being better doesn't make worst either. Like i have mentioned above. Dont expect JF-17 to be already developed. It is still in the initial stage and not an already developed plane like Su-30.
It has developed enough to have its specificatiions frozen for the first batch, and those specs will remain frozen for a LONG time.
Of course. You can listen to yourself who has never flew a plane or Air Cheif Marshal who has full command of an air force.
Grand Day! Aint it! RD-93 was a grand day too wasn't it!
I dont understand why are you refuting your claim that United States missiles will not be equipped on JF-17? I just simply dont understand the source with which your trying to support the argument. When we can have an engine of your most trusted ally in your most rivaling enemy's plane. I dont see who is going to stop us in buying missiles from our ally, United States.
I doubt the Russians would be selling you attacking or offensive equipment in a hurry.
Didnt know the US was your 'ally', wonder why they offer India more advanced equipment then?
For you it may be a bad thinking, but no one should actually call a wishful thinking since it is coming straight from the authority of the Pakistan Air Force and not from some kiddo on the Internet.
We have variety of options. French, Chinese, American, South African. Only the best will be equipped in it with looking at the cost efficiency.
Please do tell me when the US missiles are integrated with the JF-17.
The purpose is not the make another shitty forum and being realistic and accepting what needs to be accepted.
Oh, i thought it was not for people to accept some others statement blindly, but actually debate on it.
