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Can you explain what?By the time J10 will be in Pak hands it will have more high tech then MKI. Just count the difference in delivery day and the time they had to evolve...
SU30MKI in 2014 will have Ibris Aesa Radar tracking at 400km with the ramjet BVR missle engaging at 200km..
FC20 and any other fighter you care mention (bar F22/JSF) WILL HAVE a real problem getting even close to a SU30MKI.
There is nothing on the drawing board that come even close to Ibris Aesa in China.
How ever you could look at USA APG79/81 AESA
Can you explain what?
SU30MKI in 2014 will have Ibris Aesa Radar tracking at 400km with the ramjet BVR missle engaging at 200km..
FC20 and any other fighter you care mention (bar F22/JSF) WILL HAVE a real problem getting even close to a SU30MKI.
There is nothing on the drawing board that come even close to Ibris Aesa in China.
How ever you could look at USA APG79/81 AESA
so speaking of chinese weapons systems are they as mature as americans or russians ...PLEASE REMEMBER PLANES ARE JUST THE DELIVERY PLATFORMS ...THE WEAPONS ARE THE REAL KILLERS ...PEOPLE ALWAYS COMPARE PLANES AND NOT THEIR WEAPONS
also considering american planes are serius contenders in the MMRCA deal ..will the jf-17 ,j-10 be able to counter them too ( it might as your posts say they are similar to blk-50,60)
here are some things i got from raytheon stall in aero india 2009
they will be on the vipers and the superbugs ...and this is a whole new level of defence ...so whats pakistans\chinas answer to these as american planes might make their way into the IAF
all are welcome to comment not just MUZABIR
MZUBAIR
Re SU30 MKI the report suggest 3 Squadrons at 55 fighters approx. Which of course is where you got your nos from.
But ALL OF HERE ARE FOLLWING su30 mki very closely i can tell you there are 5 operational squadrons. With a full squd having 18 fighters each minimum in IAF.
Bharat Raksha which is the equal of this Forum to indians confirms 5 squadrons too. " They both cant be wrong.
Currently india is building 14 new SU30 MKI A YEAR off indian production lines since 2004. India had 50 fighters de;livered direct from Russia way back in period 2002-2006.
Total production finishes by 2014 ie 230 fighters. in total.
Second point see Hyper link off this forum re delivery of FC20 by 2014 not next year by your collegue HJ786
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/3218-j-10-fc-20-mrca-62.html
Again you got this info wrong
Well as abt ur this quote, I totally agree that PLAAF has planned for 230+ J-10B till 2014.Total production finishes by 2014 ie 230 fighters. in total.
Look at the jelous and emotional person.
U r bck to the typical Indian thinking.
Well,
Pakistan has more western weapons/avonics/Radars etc then chinees products.
Now second thing is that Chinees products are influence of Russian products.
Now as for as JF-17 concerned, Please you Indians study some thing. Open up ur brains. Accept right things before shouting. Please have a look JF-17 official website. All weapons, Radars and even engines are not Chinees.
JF-17 official wesite.
How many times, I have to prove that JF-17 is using western Avoinics, weapons and Russian engine Klimov RD-93 Turbofan engine which is varient of Mig-29.
Even Pakistan is also making through air to air ,air to ground missels for F-16, Mirage and JF-17 same as westerrn.
But India cant believe this coz they cant accept these things coz there minds are set for Anti - Pakistan and China.
JF-17/FC-1 has 7 store stations and can carry up to 3,800 KG of external load.
The Plane can carry a range of Short-Range, Long-Range, Anti-Ship and Anti-Radiation missiles. The Aircraft can be armed with LGBs and other unguided weaponry for Strike Purposes.
Following is the list of weaponry readily available and/or which can be easily integrated with the Radar of Chinese origin.
AIR to AIR
- Shan Dian-10 (SD-10):
SD-10 is beleived to be under development since 1997.
The SD-10 has four engagement modes. To take the greatest advantage of its maximum range it will use a mix of command guidance (via a datalink) plus its own inertial guidance before entering the active radar terminal guidance phase. The missile can also be launched to a pre-selected point, using its strap-down inertial system, before switching on its own seeker for a terminal search. Over short ranges the missile can be launched in a 'fire-and-forget' mode using its own active seeker from the outset. Finally, the SD-10 has a 'home-on-jam' mode that allows it to passively track and engage an emitting target, without ever using its own active radar or a radar from the launch aircraft. The seeker is connected to a digital flight control system that uses signal processing techniques to track a target. The missile's warhead is linked to a laser proximity fuse.
The SD-10 is claimed to have an operational ceiling of 20 km, with a maximum effective range of 70 km and a minimum engagement range of 1,000 m. The missile has a 40 g manoeuvring limit and, according to CATIC, it has been tested for a 100-hour captive 'live flight' life.
(From Jane's Air Launched Weapons 2003)
Specifications
Length: 3.85 m
Body diameter: 203 mm
Wing span: n/k
Launch weight: 180 kg
Warhead: HE fragmentation
Fuze: Active proximity fuse
Guidance: Inertial mid-course and /or datalink updates, with active radar terminal homing
Propulsion: Solid dual-thrust rocket motor
Range: 70 km (in a head on engagement)
SD-10 (Credits: ZJC)
- H-4 / H-2:
First Reported by Dawn on 18th Dec 2003 (Link). The missiles are said to have ranges of 120 km/ 60 km respectivly. It is not clear wether these are Air-to-Air missiles or Air-to-Ground. Anyway, JF-17 will be able to equip them.
BOMBS
MK-82 Snake Eye
GBU-12
GBU-10
BL-755
ANTI-SHIP:
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ANTI-RADIATION:
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The contract between China and Russia over re-exporting the engines to Pakistan has ran into dispute. Russia is sending mixed signals whether the issue has been resolved or not. The issue is mainly political because Russia has never sold advanced weaponry or its components to Pakistan due to the regional politics. Russia is also saying that FC-1s fitted with RD-93 are not allowed to compete where Russian Aircraft are competing.
China is also working on an indigenous engine which has the potential to power the FC-1 in future.
point one
please mind your language and think before categorizing anyone...
i never denied that jf-17 is equal to blk52 and j-10 is equal to blk 60 in terms of avionics and aerodynamics ...i just wanted to compare the weapons package ......in the jf-17 website there is no other A2A missile listed other than SD-10
For engine,ENGINE
and anyway the first 51 fighters are gonna have chinese avionics and radar ...which is the official word ....if you cant PROVE YOUR CLAIMS REFRAIN FROM CALLING OTHERS EMOTIONAL AND DUMB ....you can do better than that ...just try
PAF only wants to cover the last decay gap (not provided F-16 from USA) and counter Indian jets. India has only SU-30 which is ofcourse more then JF-17.
Due to political reasons Pakistan is looking for French engine or chinees engine for JF-17. But this year we are getting 50 + JF-17 with RD-93
Chinees products are influence of Russian products. I hope u agree with this.
will the americans allow their weapons to be integrated on a chinese platform ....if yes any news on it .....yes the jf-17 CAN carry american weapons BUT will the americans allow for the integration ...this remains the only MAJOR QUESTION on my mind
F-7P and sidewinders.