SU 30 MKI Vs RAFALE SPECS

[ramu]

You forget the J-10B which will most probably be the best air-superiority fighter in South Asia this decade.

It will be a debate when we get some real specifications of j-10B. till then, no point.

 

[Abingdonboy]

You forget the J-10B which will most probably be the best air-superiority fighter in South Asia this decade.

You are joking right? There is No Effing way the J-10B will be superior to the Rafale or Super 30 MKI do you homework before you spout out such nonsense. You're only making yourself look stupid.

 

[sancho]

mr thread starter ,plz specify the sources where u have taken the specifications

many info are wrong

Rafale vs SU-30MKI


Was posted here before, but isn't very reliable.

basically both are good dogfighters but SU 30 mki has advantage of 3 axis TVC nozzles which may give him a slight edge

MKI don't has 3D TVC, if at all you can call it 2.5D. Check this older post:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/49790-pak-fa-brahmos-9.html#post1345292

+The new SUPER 30 MKIs will cost close to $100 mill/ac will have higher thrust engines with 3D TVC

Depends if the quoted price was for the 42 x MKIs only, or if it includes the upgrade of the first older MKIs to Super 30 level. This would be more logical and is actually the same that Saudi recently did as well, by upgrading their old and procuring new F15s for $30 billions.
Wrt to the engine, that's just speculations! The upgrades isn't fixed yet, no official source has confirmed a new engine, or even an upgraded version yet. Klimov offers the S117 engine for the Su 30 operators, but since HAL is producing the AL 31s in India, it would be more logical to upgrade these for more thrust, instead of adding a new type of engine to the production line.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Rafale vs SU-30MKI


Was posted here before, but isn't very reliable.



MKI don't has 3D TVC, if at all you can call it 2.5D. Check this older post:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/49790-pak-fa-brahmos-9.html#post1345292



Depends if the quoted price was for the 42 x MKIs only, or if it includes the upgrade of the first older MKIs to Super 30 level. This would be more logical and is actually the same that Saudi recently did as well, by upgrading their old and procuring new F15s for $30 billions.
Wrt to the engine, that's just speculations! The upgrades isn't fixed yet, no official source has confirmed a new engine, or even an upgraded version yet. Klimov offers the S117 engine for the Su 30 operators, but since HAL is producing the AL 31s in India, it would be more logical to upgrade these for more thrust, instead of adding a new type of engine to the production line.

No your right wrt the engine. It is true the Super 30 UPG is still very ambiguous in terms of what will be involved and what fighters will be upgraded. My bet is all MKIs in IAF fleet will be upgraded to the SUPER standard by 2018-20 but the nature of this upgrade is unknown like will all those MKIs upgraded to SUPER standard be able to launch Bhramos or just the 42 mentioned and the rest upgraded with avionics and a few minor structural upgrades and not the major structural upgrades needed to be able to launch Bhramos.

 

[sancho]

No your right wrt the engine. It is true the Super 30 UPG is still very ambiguous in terms of what will be involved and what fighters will be upgraded. My bet is all MKIs in IAF fleet will be upgraded to the SUPER standard by 2018-20 but the nature of this upgrade is unknown like will all those MKIs upgraded to SUPER standard be able to launch Bhramos or just the 42 mentioned and the rest upgraded with avionics and a few minor structural upgrades and not the major structural upgrades needed to be able to launch Bhramos.

That's an upgrade for all ~ 100 fighters + 42 new once and all should get the capability to launch Brahmos, because it will not only be used as a land attack missile, but for maritime attack as well. It wouldn't make sense to add this capability to certain land or maritime attack squads, in times of multi role fighters.

Btw, England won and is in the next round!

 

[UKBengali]

You are joking right? There is No Effing way the J-10B will be superior to the Rafale or Super 30 MKI do you homework before you spout out such nonsense. You're only making yourself look stupid.

I am talking about the air superiority role - an area that the J-10B was specifically designed for.

On the other hand, both Rafale and Su-30MKI are "jack of all trades" aircraft. They have advantages over the J-10B but will find it diffult to compete in the air-superiority role with J-10B.

Please refer to the J-10B thread below:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/188001-plaaf-j-10b-ready-enter-service-soon.html

 

[Abingdonboy]

I am talking about the air superiority role - an area that the J-10B was specifically designed for.

On the other hand, both Rafale and Su-30MKI are "jack of all trades" aircraft. They have advantages over the J-10B but will find it diffult to compete in the air-superiority role with J-10B.

Please refer to the J-10B thread below:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/188001-plaaf-j-10b-ready-enter-service-soon.html

I see nothing in the specs of the J10B that indicates it will be able to counter the Super 30MKI or Rafale (certainly not the suped-up version the IAF is getting). It seems in so many cases here members claim superiority of other systems purely because they will go against Indian equipment, if you took India out of the equation it is clear which side we'd all back-put India into it and the laws of physic, almost, get rewritten!!

 

[Icewolf]

I see nothing in the specs of the J10B that indicates it will be able to counter the Super 30MKI or Rafale (certainly not the suped-up version the IAF is getting). It seems in so many cases here members claim superiority of other systems purely because they will go against Indian equipment, if you took India out of the equation it is clear which side we'd all back-put India into it and the laws of physic, almost, get rewritten!!

J-10B full specs are not even out.

 

[perplexed]

J-10B full specs are not even out.

Listen deliverance, take your J10B **** somewhere else.. no indian posted about any J10Bs and neither has any inclination to.. it's some cheap idiots who are trying to rope it in the discussion.. so I humbly ask u to take off or stick to what is being discussed.

 

[Safriz]

For all Rafale fans..
The aircraft will make appearence at RIAT on 7th July this year,both static and flying display.
I may post pics for you fan boys

 

[KRAIT]

For all Rafale fans..
The aircraft will make appearence at RIAT on 7th July this year,both static and flying display.
I may post pics for you fan boys

Great mate.....do that...really appreciate if you do and upload....

 

[DrSomnath999]

I am talking about the air superiority role - an area that the J-10B was specifically designed for.

On the other hand, both Rafale and Su-30MKI are "jack of all trades" aircraft. They have advantages over the J-10B but will find it diffult to compete in the air-superiority role with J-10B.

Please refer to the J-10B thread below:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/188001-plaaf-j-10b-ready-enter-service-soon.html

Oh boy !!!
DO u know what crap ur posting ,do u know anything about rafale that ur blabbering here

WTF u said Rafale is a jack of all trades & will find it diffICULTult to compete in the air-superiority role with J-10B.

See boy what i am posting here,trust me u can learn something about rafale,seriously

3)RAFALE'S SUPERB PERFORMANCE IN AERIAL EXERCISE WITH MIRAGE 2000 & f16:

http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fi...resse/lbg07/defense/rafale/foxThree_nr_10.pdf

RAFALE THRASHING TYPHOON 9-1 in Solenzara, 2009.

A first indisputable skirmish

The Armée de l' Air has been able to experience this superiority in dogfight in September 2009, during an exercise organized by the French and British headquarters, during a deployment on the Solenzara airbase in Corsica.

Few days , the EC-1/7 stands next with the Royal Air Force transformation squadron on typhoons. The English have thought of everything, and introduce to the French pilots the simulated engagement patterns they wish to practice facing the Rafale. The French pilots push back a smile: the conditions of the exercice are, on paper, custom-made for the Typhoons , they plan within visual range fights , 1 vs 1, under 20,000 ft and at 350 knots. Whatever. The 'Provence' squadron takes up the gauntlet ... The 2 planes take off, then meet up at 18 000 ft to start the exercise. The aircraft are flying on the same trajectory with about 2 km of lateral separation. "Turn Away" with this announcement, the pilots turn 45 ° outward, to move away from each other. A few seconds later, the "turn in" and the planes turn toward each other to meet face-to-face in the sky. Once both aircraft is within visual range , its the ultimate ad: "Fight's on!". The first skirmish is indisputable. It need less than 40 seconds and only 3 crossing for the Rafale pilot to have its gun in firing position. However, the pilots flying the two planes are far from beginners. While the English is considered a Typhoon specialist in air-to-air, the "Provence" pilot has also a solid experience in within visual range combat.

Nine wins, one defeat

This initial result is not a fluke: the two next passes end also to the advantage of the Rafale. In total, 4 different engagements will take place in Corsica, for a total of 9 wins against 1 defeat for the french fighter. A nice demonstration of force that inspires the pilots the following moral: without mastery, power is nothing ... It is however an area where the Typhoon is victorious: the one of exports. While the Rafale is still looking for a first client, the Typhoon has already been sold to Saudi Arabia and Austria, and remains opposed to the Rafale in Switzerland and India.

Rafale News - Page 101

Rafale's War Game with F-22 (2009)

One defeat for five draws.

The U.S. Air Force, however, put strict conditions surrounding the confrontation: the Raptor will not participate in any BVR exercise with foreign aircraft. The American pilots only accept to confront in dogfight, 1 vs 1, against crews that participate in the exercise. Pilots of the 1/7 take their chance ... and the results will be rather promising: on 6 engagements, only one has resulted, according to the French aviators, with a straightforward victory for the F-22A. The other 5 have ended with a 'draw' ,a situation of equality that can be obtained by various parameters: Dual protracted beyond a preset time,crossing of the floor set for the exercice ...
2 main parameters give the advantage to the Raptor in dogfight: the thrust vector and the enormous power conferred by its 2 reactors, which give each twice the thrust of the M88! Although it is much heavier than the Rafale, the F22A maintains a formidable manceuvrability that allows it to leave the most delicate BFM situations; even if it loses a lot of energy during maneuvers with the highest angle of attack, this energy can be quickly recovered by its engines.
But the french pilots are careful to qualify the Raptor as invulnerable: "Facing an F-22A, the Rafale can be put in firing position but it must do it very quickly, lest the roles reversed if the battle drags on" summarizes a French aviator.

Rafale News - Page 101


After reading all this one would say it's an insult to rafale by comparing it with J10b

 

[KRAIT]

^^ Nice post as ever DOC....

 

[sangsharma]

You forget the J-10B which will most probably be the best air-superiority fighter in South Asia this decade.

PAK-FA is coming this decade.

 

[indiafriendly]

PAK-FA is coming this decade.

Thats a over kill dude..