Strike package of PAF F-16 - Fear Factor

[airmarshal]

This is what just 8 F-16s does to an aspiring super power.

India is acting and behaving like a incorrigible child

US commander faces questions on F-16 deal - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

WASHINGTON: A US military commander, who oversees military ties between the United States and India, hopes that New Delhi will ultimately understand why the Obama administration is selling eight F-16 aircraft to Pakistan.

“I hope that we can work through this sale, and their perception of it, to continue to improve our relationship with India,” said Admiral Harry Harris, who is going to India on Monday to participate in a dialogue in New Delhi.

The F-16 deal echoed again on Capitol Hill on Wednesday when Admiral Harris appeared before the House Armed Services Committee for a hearing on Asia Pacific region Security. The admiral heads the US Pacific Command which oversees US military ties with India as well.

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, the first Indian woman elected to the US House of Representatives, raised this issue at the hearing, saying that she had “serious concerns” about the proposed sale.

She said that the sale was not justified, “given the fact that Pakistan has long harboured and given safe haven to various terrorist groups that continue to launch destabilising attacks within India, as well as Afghanistan.”

The lawmaker also referred to a Pakistani court’s decision to release Hafiz Saeed, who she said was one of the masterminds of the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attack that also killed six US citizens.

She said she had “a number of other concerns” on this issue but would focus on one particular point: “What impact could this sale of F-16s have on our relationship with India?”

Admiral Harris said that he too was aware of the impact the proposed sale could have on US-India relations.

“I view India as our great strategic opportunity … and we need to do as much as we can with India in a military-to-military sense, and in every other sense.”

“With regard to the sale of F-16s to Pakistan, while I don’t have a professional opinion on that sale itself, certainly it will affect some aspect of our relationship with India,” he added.

 

[SQ8]

@MastanKhan you are constantly talking about " kill switches " , .

A former USAF pilot who was a member here with immense experience had already debunked the "kill switch" theory along with active PAF personell. There are NO kill switches. Now you are free to choose the opinion between those that live and breath the job to those that would otherwise have never even touched a combat aircraft.

@Oscar,

Many Pakistani Nations mention of Teaching a Lesson to Indian Su30/Mirages in 2008....

If it was reality the 'Radar Intercept Report" & El/R would have been demonstrated with Vectors across the Globe

Such reports if submitted in UN could have made a point....

Havent seen any, so consider this as a Fluke....

please start banning all trolls on the suject

Sadly, I have it on hard account from the horse's mouth that it is true. However, as for the incident.. the modalities of releasing the Hud footage would also create issues for the PAF in terms of why it let a heavily armed jet just fly around.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

A former USAF pilot who was a member here with immense experience had already debunked the "kill switch" theory along with active PAF personell. There are NO kill switches. Now you are free to choose the opinion between those that live and breath the job to those that would otherwise have never even touched a combat aircraft.



Sadly, I have it on hard account from the horse's mouth that it is true. However, as for the incident.. the modalities of releasing the Hud footage would also create issues for the PAF in terms of why it let a heavily armed jet just fly around.

Kill switch conspiracy makes a good post...it gets the children to gawping their OMGs, and their what if scenarios.

This is what just 8 F-16s does to an aspiring super power.

India is acting and behaving like a incorrigible child

US commander faces questions on F-16 deal - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

WASHINGTON: A US military commander, who oversees military ties between the United States and India, hopes that New Delhi will ultimately understand why the Obama administration is selling eight F-16 aircraft to Pakistan.

“I hope that we can work through this sale, and their perception of it, to continue to improve our relationship with India,” said Admiral Harry Harris, who is going to India on Monday to participate in a dialogue in New Delhi.

The F-16 deal echoed again on Capitol Hill on Wednesday when Admiral Harris appeared before the House Armed Services Committee for a hearing on Asia Pacific region Security. The admiral heads the US Pacific Command which oversees US military ties with India as well.

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, the first Indian woman elected to the US House of Representatives, raised this issue at the hearing, saying that she had “serious concerns” about the proposed sale.

She said that the sale was not justified, “given the fact that Pakistan has long harboured and given safe haven to various terrorist groups that continue to launch destabilising attacks within India, as well as Afghanistan.”

The lawmaker also referred to a Pakistani court’s decision to release Hafiz Saeed, who she said was one of the masterminds of the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attack that also killed six US citizens.

She said she had “a number of other concerns” on this issue but would focus on one particular point: “What impact could this sale of F-16s have on our relationship with India?”

Admiral Harris said that he too was aware of the impact the proposed sale could have on US-India relations.

“I view India as our great strategic opportunity … and we need to do as much as we can with India in a military-to-military sense, and in every other sense.”

“With regard to the sale of F-16s to Pakistan, while I don’t have a professional opinion on that sale itself, certainly it will affect some aspect of our relationship with India,” he added.

India has their knickers in a twist, and so is their supporters and lobbyist paid so called public representatives. What an insult to the martyrs of the Pakistani armed forces, cleaning up the mess the US left in Afghanistan, and came back to recreate the whole thing...8 F16s and its bloody murder, and just a few years ago, as it suited their interest, Pakistan was the most favoured non nato ally, a brother in arms, and the recipient of all the US toys...The key decision makers in Pakistan should wake up to changing winds in the US, and position themselves accordingly. However, this may all change for the unknown if Trump becomes president.

 

[SQ8]

Kill switch conspiracy makes a good post...it gets the children to gawping their OMGs, and their what if scenarios.t.

Yeah, it satisfies their daily need for some outwordly conspiracy and not realpolitik and general screwup of previous generation being responsible for their ills.. while letting the baseless poster bask in their supposed online glory.

 

[randomradio]

There are no kill switches on the F-16. It's not difficult to find that out if you are an operator.

But the US thought it's a good idea and put those on the F-35.

 

[Bratva]

A former USAF pilot who was a member here with immense experience had already debunked the "kill switch" theory along with active PAF personell. There are NO kill switches. Now you are free to choose the opinion between those that live and breath the job to those that would otherwise have never even touched a combat aircraft.



Sadly, I have it on hard account from the horse's mouth that it is true. However, as for the incident.. the modalities of releasing the Hud footage would also create issues for the PAF in terms of why it let a heavily armed jet just fly around.

There are no kill switches. Just the encryption keys.

 

[MastanKhan]

There are no kill switches on the F-16. It's not difficult to find that out if you are an operator.

But the US thought it's a good idea and put those on the F-35.

Hi,

It is not a 'switch' persay----it is a program to take the control away----. If there is a data link---there is a program to take over the control on U S aircraft---those that have been produced or upgraded in the last 7 years.

I have posted videos of a Jeep being being sabotaged thru a data link over here.

Can your laptop be sabotaged----can somone take control of your laptop thru a data link---thru a virus and make it impotent!

This aircraft control was part of homeland security planning after 9 / 11---that after a certain date all aircraft manufactured of U S origin will have programs to control the function of the flight of the aircraft at times of duress.

Even news cars are coming without hydraulic power steerings---they now have electric motor assist steering----there are no break vaccuum boosters in many a cars----there is an electric motor that give the assist----and with a hack---you can shut down the engine while the car is driving---you can stop the steering wheel assist or turn the steering against the wishes of the driver---you can apply brakes without the consent of the driver---because they have an electric motor for activation---the hacker can change the radio stations----change your A/C control as well---and you guys say there are no 'kill switches'.

The door locks on a data equipped car be be unlocked by a call to the factory if you have lost your keys---. The performance report of your engine and transmission of some of the cars is now readily relayed over data link from your car to the car company headquarters---so the computer knows what is happening.

It is very easy to make fun and take the kill switch as a joke---the wiki leaks regarding the israeli drone and F16 video feed opened up new cans of worms---. The report and vidoes are available for everyone to see.

There are no kill switches. Just the encryption keys.

Hi,

Pleas explain it in layman's term. Thank you.

 

[randomradio]

Hi,

It is not a 'switch' persay----it is a program to take the control away----. If there is a data link---there is a program to take over the control on U S aircraft---those that have been produced or upgraded in the last 7 years.

That is a kill switch. It's technically possible.

I have posted videos of a Jeep being being sabotaged thru a data link over here.

Can your laptop be sabotaged----can somone take control of your laptop thru a data link---thru a virus and make it impotent!

That's not difficult. Civilian equipment is built on standardized architecture. Anybody can hack into anything civilian with enough investment.

My friend hacked into my phone with his laptop in two seconds and made a call without my knowledge. That's why Apple doesn't like Bluetooth and Flash.

 

[Windjammer]

Sadly, I have it on hard account from the horse's mouth that it is true. However, as for the incident.. the modalities of releasing the Hud footage would also create issues for the PAF in terms of why it let a heavily armed jet just fly around.

The incident was also reported in the press, albeit Zardari government tried to downplay the violation but PAF was having none of it, the HUD footage was shared with US General Petraeus, (CENTCOM Commander) he was also informed that such misadventure by IAF will not be tolerated as ordered have been issued for PAF to launch an immediate counter attack. It also transpired that the IAF was unaware of PAF interceptors on it's tail until later, the PAF pilots were just waiting for orders, had the clearance been issued the next message would have been ''Saffron Bandit, splash one''.

Indian Fighter Planes Violate Pakistani Airspace

By M. Hussain

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has violated Pakistani airspace and were intercepted by the Pakistan Air Force. The incidence took place on the 13th of December, at midnight. The military establishment in Pakistan is considering this to be a serious violation and PAF air bases are on full alert.

2 Indian Su-30 MkI ingressed in the Lahore sector, Pakistan's second most important city after Karachi. 3 Indian Mirage 2000H ingressed in the Kashmir sector. The Su-30 Mki "FLANKER" were intercepted by 3 F-16s and 3 F-7 combat aircraft from the Pakistan Air Force, while the Mirage 2000Hs were intercepted by 2 F-16s and 2 Mirages The intercepts were made within 4 miles of entering Pakistani territory, and the intruders were escorted out of Pakistani airspace. According to the PAF, the Indian aircraft were fully armed.

The Indians are in violation of agreements to not send combat aircraft within 10 km of their own boundaries. The simultaneous nature of the intrusion, in the middle of the night, being fully armed clearly indicates it was no mistake, and is replicative of Israeli tactics with Syria.

The Indian Air Force may use this opportunity to gather EW and radar signatures as well as measure the intercept response time and location. They may seek out information on new assets added by the Pakistani side, such as the TPS-77 radars. Both the Su-30 Mk I and the Mirage-2000Hs are equiped with EW equipment that could be used for such a purpose.


The Information Minister, Sherry Rehman, claimed that it was a mistake from the Indian side, which directly contradicts the PAF, and one may add, logic. In a joint press conference with the British PM, Zardari echoed this response and said Indian violation was a technical fault of IAF. While PAF denies that it was fault.

Grande Strategy (Edited)

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, AM: TROOPS ON THE MOVE?

A number of people travelling between Lahore and Rawalpindi over the past two days have reported that a heavy redeployment by the army was under way.

“Long convoys of military trucks are heading towards Lahore from Jehlum,” Jawad Khan, a motorist, told Dawn.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Aircraft Descriptions:

Lahore: 2x Indian Air Force Su-30 (armed) – intercepted and escorted out by 3x Pakistan Air Force F-16s and 3x F-7s
Muzaffarabad: 3x Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 (armed) – intercepted and escorted out by 2x Pakistan Air Force F-16s and 2x F-7s.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Emergency declared at Shorkot, Sarghoda airbases

SARGHODA: Emergency has been declared at Shorkot and Sarghoda airbases on Sunday after India violated Pakistan air spaces twice on Saturday by sending its fire jets.

According to sources, Indian Air Force sent its fighter jets into Pakistan air spaces on Saturday in Lahore and Kashmir areas which were forced to go back by Pakistani fighter jets.

2008 air alert
After the 2008 Mumbai attacks, PAF was put on high alert. It deployed to all its wartime locations and started combat air patrols. The speed and intensity of the deployment and PAF's readiness took the Indian Army High Command by surprise and later reports suggest was the main factor in the Indian decision of not going for cross border raids inside Pakistan.[42][43] Pakistani press reported issuance of a PAF Standing Order to launch an immediate counterattack in case of an air attack from India, after Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee threatened Pakistani President.[42][43]

Saffron Bandit Splash One.

 

[Bratva]

Hi,

It is not a 'switch' persay----it is a program to take the control away----. If there is a data link---there is a program to take over the control on U S aircraft---those that have been produced or upgraded in the last 7 years.

I have posted videos of a Jeep being being sabotaged thru a data link over here.

Can your laptop be sabotaged----can somone take control of your laptop thru a data link---thru a virus and make it impotent!

This aircraft control was part of homeland security planning after 9 / 11---that after a certain date all aircraft manufactured of U S origin will have programs to control the function of the flight of the aircraft at times of duress.

Even news cars are coming without hydraulic power steerings---they now have electric motor assist steering----there are no break vaccuum boosters in many a cars----there is an electric motor that give the assist----and with a hack---you can shut down the engine while the car is driving---you can stop the steering wheel assist or turn the steering against the wishes of the driver---you can apply brakes without the consent of the driver---because they have an electric motor for activation---the hacker can change the radio stations----change your A/C control as well---and you guys say there are no 'kill switches'.

The door locks on a data equipped car be be unlocked by a call to the factory if you have lost your keys---. The performance report of your engine and transmission of some of the cars is now readily relayed over data link from your car to the car company headquarters---so the computer knows what is happening.

It is very easy to make fun and take the kill switch as a joke---the wiki leaks regarding the israeli drone and F16 video feed opened up new cans of worms---. The report and vidoes are available for everyone to see.



Hi,

Pleas explain it in layman's term. Thank you.

Communication devices and critical equipment in F-16 like MILDS, IFF, Datalink, EW/SNIPER Pods are encrypted. They requrie a fresh encryption keys to work on after specified time. F-16 would still be able to fly but would be toothless. And no it is not Pakistan specific. It is standard practice of USA and all alies who use F-16 conform to these regulations.

Thats why USA wants every nation to sign CISMOA agreement. India refused, hence they Installed their own communication and datalink devices on P-8 I Poseidon

 

[Tipu7]

Why we don't have IRST with our block 50/52s?
Can IRST be installed on older blocks?

 

[M.AsfandYar]

The incident was also reported in the press, albeit Zardari government tried to downplay the violation but PAF was having none of it, the HUD footage was shared with US General Petraeus, (CENTCOM Commander) he was also informed that such misadventure by IAF will not be tolerated as ordered have been issued for PAF to launch an immediate counter attack. It also transpired that the IAF was unaware of PAF interceptors on it's tail until later, the PAF pilots were just waiting for orders, had the clearance been issued the next message would have been ''Saffron Bandit, splash one''.

I heard the same version of the incident, That F-16s had locks on all 3 Su's and were waiting for orders. But around those times there was too much speculation.

 

[T-Rex]

.Because there is no nostalgia? What is your hollow understanding of English?

Eating your own words, that's not nice!

 

[Windjammer]

I heard the same version of the incident, That F-16s had locks on all 3 Su's and were waiting for orders. But around those times there was too much speculation.

The clay footed Zardari government wasn't keen to increase the hostilities while PAF was all geared up to deliver a telling blow on the Indians....in the end i think the Americans defused the tension.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

LHM is going to close f16 lines soon



Our political is usless even today worthless to mention them if sd10 is a sanction proof bvr m then concentrate on jf17 and buy chineese aircraft stop wasting money on san tion prone equipment common sense not common in PAF

Yes, close the massive investment in human capital and infrastructure for Falcon. great idea.

Why we don't have IRST with our block 50/52s?
Can IRST be installed on older blocks?

IRST is in Blk 60 desert falcon only. It was used as a pod for aggressor aircraft, and now being used as a mission pod.