Strike from 30 thousand feet.

[HAIDER]

Today minister of defence admit Pakistan has no capability to stop any strike from 30 thousand feet. He was commenting on recent NATO air strike on PA in Mehmond agency.

 

[Interceptor]

It came on Geo, this **** is out of hand. We better make some noise.

 

[Energon]

In the context of NATO does that even matter? Even if there was a way to stop strikes from 30,000ft, it is unlikey that any NATO assets would be fired upon.

 

[araz]

In the context of NATO does that even matter? Even if there was a way to stop strikes from 30,000ft, it is unlikey that any NATO assets would be fired upon.

agreed.
Whether we have the capability or not Pakistan cannot afford to annoy NATO/Uncle Sam. If you remember, even during Musharrafs time, when cross border activity took place, other than protesting, we could do nothing. I doubt that the situation has changed now, with the "elected Government". The fact is we will continue to be cowards and take these strikes as we neither have the political will, nor do we have the belief in ourselves to respond to this aggression.
WaSalam
Araz

 

[Awesome]

That's BS. We can. We don't actually need to fire... Any plane violating the terms can come under a radar lock. Thats usually enough to scare the crap out of most pilots and our purpose is to only send a message that Pakistani lives cannot be wasted.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

That's BS. We can. We don't actually need to fire... Any plane violating the terms can come under a radar lock. Thats usually enough to scare the crap out of most pilots and our purpose is to only send a message that Pakistani lives cannot be wasted.

There will be a time to be forceful Asim, now is not it.

There are too many changes in the wind to make any drastic moves right now.

 

[Awesome]

Well having the delivery system capable of reaching 30,000 ft cannot hurt.

Especially when we know foreign combat aircraft are roaming scott free over our airspace.

 

[IceCold]

To have a capability to counter the attack at 30000 isnt something we cant get, however the question is how far are we going to let them go. I guess the answer is as far as they wish to go. I agree with araz sb here that we neither have the gutts nor the will and most importantly no faith in ourselves.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well having the delivery system capable of reaching 30,000 ft cannot hurt.

Especially when we know foreign combat aircraft are roaming scott free over our airspace.

Completely agree.

In fact a well publicized deployment in areas around Peshawar, with all the requisite assurances of "there is absolutely no threat to NATO" would be just fine.

All we are looking for is respect and professional courtesy from an "ally" to not have incidents like this be repeated.

However, acquiring such a system has been in the works for a while, and there is no official word on how far we have progressed. So by default, in allowing for the acquisition time for such a system, we must swallow this and not make moves we cannot effectively back up.

 

[Awesome]

Completely agree.

In fact a well publicized deployment in areas around Peshawar, with all the requisite assurances of "there is absolutely no threat to NATO" would be just fine.

All we are looking for is the respect and professional courtesy from an "ally" to not have incidents like this be repeated.

However, acquiring such a system has been in the works for a while, and there is no official word on how far we have progressed. So by default, in allowing for the acquisition time for such a system, we must swallow this and not make moves we cannot effectively back up.

Our news team reported a system being purchased right?

Which one was it?

We should first fullfil the minimum requirement and get the basic capability by buying Chinese. It's dirt cheap and we can always buy the western counterpart later on.

The sad thing is I'm talking about denying airspace and we can't even do it. We can't even deny it to the Indians for that matter!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Asim,

The only SAM systems I have heard of being purchased recently were the short/medium range SAMs such as the Bamse I believe.

I am not certain if delivery on those has started and when it will be completed. We could deploy those, but deployment before we receive all the systems would mean that the remaining ones would most likely be blocked by the US, as would the AEW&C systems we are purchasing.

There was speculation over the Chinese FT-2000 a while back, but I have heard nothing publicly about it since.

 

[blain2]

Italian ASPIDE (SPADA 2000) would cater to threats at this altitude which has been purchased by the PAF. BAMSE is being looked at by the Army and has less range than SPADA 2000. I think the issue is not the ability, rather would we? In the past we have escorted coalition aircraft out of Pakistani airspace as and when needed. This ability is bound to improve with the induction of OTH radars like Erieye. Due to the terrain, the current ground based radars may not be able to provide sufficient detection. PAF may have to set up CRCs like it did during the Afghan war if PAF is asked to monitor the airspace prior to the induction of the Erieye.

The bottom line is that there has to be more cooperative coordination instead of figuring out ways to take on the coalition. Even if we had detected the ingressing US aircraft, what would Pakistan do? Take them on in the air?
What would we do if the US aircraft are dropping the bombs from the Afghan side of the airspace (all LGBs have some standoff capability)?

So this issue cannot be resolved with a military response. Diplomatically we have to bust some balls if we intend to curtail or stop such opportunistic ventures by the clever ANA. The Afghans are the real culprits here. They will try to pick fights and then rely on US to push Pakistan around. We have seen this at diplomatic level, now they are doing it on the ground.

If we really had a proxy capability in Afghanistan, the ANA could be handled through it, but we really don't (as Pashtuns have been marginalized in the Afghan government). The only option is to have better coordination with the US while making sure that they know that any further incidents like this one would decrease our cooperation proportionally.

 

[BATMAN]

agreed.
Whether we have the capability or not Pakistan cannot afford to annoy NATO/Uncle Sam. If you remember, even during Musharrafs time, when cross border activity took place, other than protesting, we could do nothing. I doubt that the situation has changed now, with the "elected Government". The fact is we will continue to be cowards and take these strikes as we neither have the political will, nor do we have the belief in ourselves to respond to this aggression.
WaSalam
Araz

What are you talking man? from where the hell are you bringing cowardice in it?
It is simply a technical matter. We don’t have enough tools to fight with NATO and this is sensible enough reason.
Let me ask a question to you, what would you do in such scenario, if you were made army chief of Pakistan?
BTW, what incident are you referring to from Musharraf’s era, where Americans attacked fired at Pak army?

 

[Keysersoze]

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Footage of deadly US air strike


footage of the airstrike

 

[BATMAN]

It came on Geo, this **** is out of hand. We better make some noise.

Exactly, we should make noise and it should be on the diplomatic front.
The way ZAB use to make. So far only defence minister has addressed to the press conference and nothing more.