Stop maligning the military

[Rafi]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Badal do zamana, We are a democracy now, it is incumbent on every Pakistani, to vote, for clean and competent politician's - This is the perfect response listen to what Jack say's here, nobody gives it to you, power you gotta take it.

 

[muse]

Thank you, Rafi - The Fauj is the proverbial cat with 9 lives - but they are also hopeless, sadly and you never know, maybe Pakistanis will actually overthrow their oppressors and introduce them to the firing squad.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

bro ..ure ideas r good ..but we got no time...we need ICBMS within next 5 to 6 months...cuz they already planned to throw us into stone age within this year .....so dont go to sleep... u gotta be up....I in fact dont malign anybody......I know the real facts and figures...even the traitors over here r feared for their lives...cuz so many Ramond Davisz r running around here...
you asking too much time as 2 yearz bro ...If u gone to sleep for 2 yearz then im afraid u wont be able to wakeup after 2 yearz cuz nobody will be alive here then..bro...We could go to nice and cute sleep after we got done with the ICBMz stuff within this year...

I m not going to sleep bro... believe me I m just one me... there are thousands better than me out there... I m only here because I can connect with people here much better...

As for ICBMs... well I m being realistic... with a president like Zardari... it would be difficult to get the hardware I have asked for... but since the Caliphate is coming within four years and some months now inshaAllah, I think it will be around two years or so that we will have the ICBM capability that we are discussing here... This is one issue that I have been thinking of recently and I think people who tell us that we are hopelessly bound by the US over these issues because of the US covert hostility towards Pakistan actually have a point... so the only way out of it for us is to have deterence not just against petty India but also against the old giant America... we need ICBMs and there are no two ways about it... OR we need access to bases in Morocco/Libya so our current missiles can have reach to mainland United States... once we have some deterrence we can talk tuff... for now you and I are slaves... like it or not...

Two years is plenty of time for this... if someone can achieve this in six months then well and good...

for those who can do something about this now they better start making some phone calls...

 

[Ahmad]

but since the Caliphate is coming within four and some months now inshaAllah

we will have khilafa within four months? Did I read it correctly?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

"This might spare us resources to provision the essentials of socio-economic survival with greater relevance to the global trends."

No it won't.

What will spare us resources will be the restructuring of Public Sector Enterprises that cost Pakistan close to the entire defence budget every year, and the building up of institutions such as law enforcement, and most importantly, Tax Reforms. It is not the military that is currently preventing the elected politicians from enacting these reforms, issuing a command to end drone strikes, or publicly declaring that Davis did not have blanket diplomatic immunity that prevented him from being prosecuted for murder.

The continued scapegoating of the military bogeyman for all of Pakistan's ills is doing a huge disservice to Pakistan in that the much larger problems and weaknesses holding Pakistan back are getting ignored in emotional rhetoric revolving around the military. This 'deflection' is in the interests of the politicians who would rather the spotlight not shine on their inability to take meaningful reforms, but I fail to understand the reasons behind parroting this 'anti-Army' rhetoric by some posters here, who obviously have the interests of Pakistan at heart.

 

[VCheng]

AM: You make a very good point, but all this debate reminds me of is my own dejected conclusion that led me to emigrate as I don't see any solution to this in the foreseeable future.

 

[Rafi]

Instead of dragging down a institution that is competent and well respected, we should bring up the civil administration and other institutions to the level of the military, and regarding some members pessimism, remember in our religion "miyosi is kuffr".

 

[SQ8]

Instead of dragging down a institution that is competent and well respected, we should bring up the civil administration and other institutions to the level of the military, and regarding some members pessimism, remember in our religion "miyosi is kuffr".

Not exactly a very high aim.. is it?
That is like saying son.. I just want you to pass. .. forget getting good grades.. just pass and sit there without a future.

The military is taking a C- at best..

 

[Rafi]

Not exactly a very high aim.. is it?
That is like saying son.. I just want you to pass. .. forget getting good grades.. just pass and sit there without a future.

The military is taking a C- at best..

I would respectfully disagree. on my report record they get a B+ at the very least.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

we will have khilafa within four months? Did I read it correctly?

corrected... you seem to be very interested... lol ))

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Not exactly a very high aim.. is it?
That is like saying son.. I just want you to pass. .. forget getting good grades.. just pass and sit there without a future.

The military is taking a C- at best..

In terms of govestance, yes, the Army gets a C, but Under kiyani it has done quite well in coin and Army centric tasks.

 

[Truth Teller]

we will have khilafa within four months? Did I read it correctly?

muhammed-bin-qasim behaves like this all the time.best to ignore him.

 

[Truth Teller]

Pakistani Army= A*

Pakistani People= C-

Pakistani Government= F


Long Live Pakistani Army

 

[muse]

The continued scapegoating of the military bogeyman for all of Pakistan's ills is doing a huge disservice to Pakistan in that the much larger problems and weaknesses holding Pakistan back are getting ignored in emotional rhetoric revolving around the military. This 'deflection' is in the interests of the politicians who would rather the spotlight not shine on their inability to take meaningful reforms, but I fail to understand the reasons behind parroting this 'anti-Army' rhetoric by some posters here, who obviously have the interests of Pakistan at heart.

How lame is that, Pakistan army not open to criticism? has it not answers to persuade that it must now recourse to "sky will fall" reaction? The suggestion that interests of "politicians" is being served in offering criticism, suggests that Army is just not on the same page as the politicians who are the Government of Pakistan? Isn't that so??

On the one hand, defenders of non-reason suggest that politicians are to blame and on the other they say the people of Pakistan are to blame for the problems of the army as a political and governance power house.

Are there tons and tons of problems in Pakistan? Enough to go around?? yes, and then some, so why, instead of this defending when correction is called for??

 

[Rafi]

How lame is that, Pakistan army not open to criticism? has it not answers to persuade that it must now recourse to "sky will fall" reaction? The suggestion that interests of "politicians" is being served in offering criticism, suggests that Army is just not on the same page as the politicians who are the Government of Pakistan? Isn't that so??

On the one hand, defenders of non-reason suggest that politicians are to blame and on the other they say the people of Pakistan are to blame for the problems of the army as a political and governance power house.

Are there tons and tons of problems in Pakistan? Enough to go around?? yes, and then some, so why, instead of this defending when correction is called for??

Dude - instead of just complaining, what are you personally doing to resolve the matter, it is the easiest thing in the world to mouth off.