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Still no evidence of historical Chinese claims

I know for a fact VN did surrender to Japan and waited to be liberated
France surrendered Japan, and Japan kept France around as lap dogs to manage Indochina for them. Also VN was the one who took the opportunity when Japan got defeated and France was out of the game to declare independence. Go study some history, dude. VN liberated itself, with little help from outside (in 1945, that is).
 
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France surrendered Japan, and Japan kept France around as lap dogs to manage Indochina for them. Also VN was the one who took the opportunity when Japan got defeated and France was out of the game to declare independence. Go study some history, dude. VN liberated itself, with little help from outside (in 1945, that is).
anh em i stop supporting vcp because of brainwashing. only way for great Vietnam to become strong is become like united states. democracy, freedom and the dream of becoming anything you want.
i once was young and listen to vcp. three decades later Vietnam is only a little better than before. not much progress. we should not be stubborn and embrace democracy.
 
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anh em i stop supporting vcp because of brainwashing. only way for great Vietnam to become strong is become like united states. democracy, freedom and the dream of becoming anything you want.
i once was young and listen to vcp. three decades later Vietnam is only a little better than before. not much progress. we should not be stubborn and embrace democracy.

Agree, but to avoid some chaos as Ukraine, Syria, the change of govt form must be smooth.
More and more improvements, I actually don't want a shock revolution.
 
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anh em i stop supporting vcp because of brainwashing. only way for great Vietnam to become strong is become like united states. democracy, freedom and the dream of becoming anything you want.
i once was young and listen to vcp. three decades later Vietnam is only a little better than before. not much progress. we should not be stubborn and embrace democracy.
I once made the same point as @BoQ77 to another Viet mem (@gambit). VN needs to change, now. But that change cannot be too sudden, cannot be something like a coup to throw down VCP. Democracy, communism, socialism, those are just pretty words invented by some people to let them control the rest. My teacher, who used to study in the US, once said: "There are 2 type of people in this world, the opperessors and the opperessed. The opperessed try their best to rise up and become the opperessors, while the opperessors want to stay in power and eliminate any threats to their positions."

The change needs to be smooth, not too sudden. If someone can do that I 100% support them.
 
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anh em i stop supporting vcp because of brainwashing. only way for great Vietnam to become strong is become like united states. democracy, freedom and the dream of becoming anything you want.
i once was young and listen to vcp. three decades later Vietnam is only a little better than before. not much progress. we should not be stubborn and embrace democracy.
Interesting point, but i guess once VN turns itself into a democracy, freedom place, it will be more like Taiwan area today.
Chaos on the road.
 
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I once made the same point as @BoQ77 to another Viet mem (@gambit). VN needs to change, now. But that change cannot be too sudden, cannot be something like a coup to throw down VCP. Democracy, communism, socialism, those are just pretty words invented by some people to let them control the rest. My teacher, who used to study in the US, once said: "There are 2 type of people in this world, the opperessors and the opperessed. The opperessed try their best to rise up and become the opperessors, while the opperessors want to stay in power and eliminate any threats to their positions."

The change needs to be smooth, not too sudden. If someone can do that I 100% support them.
But how? Those in charge will not roll over too easy. There will be violent but better now than another fifty years

Interesting point, but i guess once VN turns itself into a democracy, freedom place, it will be more like Taiwan area today.
Chaos on the road.
As it hurts me to say, voetnam as developed as taiwan is much better than vietnam now
 
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But how? Those in charge will not roll over too easy. There will be violent but better now than another fifty years


As it hurts me to say, voetnam as developed as taiwan is much better than vietnam now
I say with the external threat (i.e China) already hanging above our head, we should focus more on how to deal with it first, rather than focusing on internal issues. More than ever we should unite, rather than get seperated by our belief, our ideology. If things get chaostic, hostile nations can take the chance to bully the newly born govt, and we cannot count on others to support us then.
 
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I once made the same point as @BoQ77 to another Viet mem (@gambit). VN needs to change, now. But that change cannot be too sudden, cannot be something like a coup to throw down VCP. Democracy, communism, socialism, those are just pretty words invented by some people to let them control the rest. My teacher, who used to study in the US, once said: "There are 2 type of people in this world, the opperessors and the opperessed. The opperessed try their best to rise up and become the opperessors, while the opperessors want to stay in power and eliminate any threats to their positions."

The change needs to be smooth, not too sudden. If someone can do that I 100% support them.
Have some confidence , Communism is not that bad , Democracy is not that good .
Listen to this speech

李世默TED演讲-中国崛起与元叙事的终结_视频在线观看 - 56.com
 
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Have some confidence , Communism is not that bad , Democracy is not that good .
Listen to this speech

李世默TED演讲-中国崛起与元叙事的终结_视频在线观看 - 56.com
I could care less about commies or capitalies. I share the same opinion as my teacher (though at first I found it unacceptable). If the opperessors can treat the opperessed well, I am fine being an opperessed. Ideology, teaching, theory are all tools of opperessors to maintain their power.
 
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I could care less about commies or capitalies. I share the same opinion as my teacher (though at first I found it unacceptable). If the opperessors can treat the opperessed well, I am fine being an opperessed. Ideology, teaching, theory are all tools of opperessors to maintain their power.
Have you seen the video ?
 
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Sorry, I use the company computer so no headphone for me. My boss is watching me over the camera.
I suggest you to watch this video when you are home.

It is really good speech.
 
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