Stategic Weaknesses and Strengths: Pakistan and India

[Gregor Clegane]

I don't really see how that is a disadvantage; Pakistan has a massive and strong road infrastructure, capable of fast and smooth transport.


Yes and guess where that all comes from? China.

Just recently, India's IWT drama was humiliatingly pushed back to square one by China - even Indians are started to realize that China has them by the balls if India ever tried to divert even a liter of water away.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/china-reacts-guardedly-to-indus-water-treaty-talks-suspension-1467269
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n-Tibet-to-build-dam/articleshow/54622469.cms
https://www.thequint.com/world/2016...eapon-pakistan-river-mekong-brahmaputra-tibet
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1191953...ver-india-threatens-scrap-indus-water-treaty/
http://qz.com/790885/narendra-modi-...o-scrap-the-indus-water-treaty-with-pakistan/
https://www.telegraphindia.com/1160924/jsp/frontpage/story_109996.jsp#.WGXliRsrK00
http://www.hindustantimes.com/analy...p-for-india/story-LLyx2YvAPsSSU4y9uLWxyK.html


Yes but they are heavily defended. If the entire Indian invasion force couldn't defeat halved garrisons in 1965; how do you think it will be possible to defeat the defensive measurements Pakistan has installed, now?


A geographically large country would thin its military concentration.


Larger army, but I would not say better. The Indian army is struggling to provide proper vests, helmets and even food to its soldiers. Pakistani soldiers per average seem to be much more motivated, fit (mentally and physically), experienced, trained and better equipped. But yes, the Indian military has shinier toys than us (such as it's navy and air defense).

Actually
1)China has no hold over India's water as Indus blocking will only harm Pakistan as only Kashmir part of India us dependent on Indus.As of Brahmaputra India gets 73% of Brahmaputra river water from rainfall and streams inside India.Also only NE region deoemds on it and it is water surplus by 40% so 30% deficit wont affect it.

2)Pakistan's strategic industries like HIT, PAC, NDC, NESCOM are all close to India's border, whereas Indian strategic industries are all located far inside South India.

3)Pakistani troops are more motivated and fit in only your daydreams.
Pakistan Army has more problems with its equipment than India's, but unlike Transparent India it doesn't reveal them.

 

[nilsindri]

I personally think
Pak Advantage:
1. China Support (Military + Diplomatically)
2. Combat Exp. gained from Fighting Terror.
3. Good Army.
DisAd:
1. Economy as compared to India .
2. Lack in Offensive Air Force w.r.t India Geographic Size.
India Advantage:
1. Good Economy as compared to Pak .
2. World Soft Support .
3. Better Equipped in Air Force w.r.t Pak only .
DisAd:
1. More to loose in case of Nuclear War.
2. Not sure of Full support(Military) from any country except Israel.

One's Advantage is another's disadvantage. Well I never in Favour of War , but these are the major points which is also preventing war .
Respect for both countries Defence/Offence Capabilites .

 

[Parwez Khuri]

I personally think
Pak Advantage:
1. China Support (Military + Diplomatically)
2. Combat Exp. gained from Fighting Terror.
3. Good Army.
DisAd:
1. Economy as compared to India .
2. Lack in Offensive Air Force w.r.t India Geographic Size.
India Advantage:
1. Good Economy as compared to Pak .
2. World Soft Support .
3. Better Equipped in Air Force w.r.t Pak only .
DisAd:
1. More to loose in case of Nuclear War.
2. Not sure of Full support(Military) from any country except Israel.

One's Advantage is another's disadvantage. Well I never in Favour of War , but these are the major points which is also preventing war .
Respect for both countries Defence/Offence Capabilites .

nice fair analysis. but unkey anaysis dekhna, jo apney aapko TOP samjhtey hain.

actually brother ye fair analysis yaha kaam nahi karegi, koi usa/uk/russia ka forum hota to honesty and fair discussion matter karta hain

 

[ravi gupta]

I personally think
Pak Advantage:
1. China Support (Military + Diplomatically)
2. Combat Exp. gained from Fighting Terror.
3. Good Army.
DisAd:
1. Economy as compared to India .
2. Lack in Offensive Air Force w.r.t India Geographic Size.
India Advantage:
1. Good Economy as compared to Pak .
2. World Soft Support .
3. Better Equipped in Air Force w.r.t Pak only .
DisAd:
1. More to loose in case of Nuclear War.
2. Not sure of Full support(Military) from any country except Israel.

One's Advantage is another's disadvantage. Well I never in Favour of War , but these are the major points which is also preventing war .
Respect for both countries Defence/Offence Capabilites .

You neglected both navies.
Indian Navy huge advantages.
Pakistan Navy they will tell you better.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Pakistan better equipped

Are you serious ....??????

No body mentioned the huge difference in economy military budget and forex reserve's.

In a conversational.war Pakistan Wil start to lose territory within one week simply because their war reserves will run out .

India has far more resources and because Pakistani cites are within easy reach they will suffer far more damage than likes of Mumbai Delhi bangalore hyderbhad etc .

This is why Pakistan threatens tactical nukes very early In a war.

The pak military have realised the likehood of losing territory within a short war

both countries war doctrine and defense requirements are different. India needs big budget due to it's large area,large coast and china factor..
Pakistan have only india to face.

You neglected both navies.
Indian Navy huge advantages.
Pakistan Navy they will tell you better.

majority of indian border is coastal area. Pakistan have small coastal area to defend. Our naval doctrine is defensive where most investment is done on coastal defense systems.

 

[ravi gupta]

both countries war doctrine and defense requirements are different. India needs big budget due to it's large area,large coast and china factor..
Pakistan have only india to face.


majority of indian border is coastal area. Pakistan have small coastal area to defend. Our naval doctrine is defensive where most investment is done on coastal defense systems.

Your naval,airforce and army all had defensive doctrine stay with that.
i hope your planner has felt the same same way in 1971 about karachi,now you have gwadar too to defend.

 

[Centurion2016]

Yes Pakistan is pure defensive military power..

Coastal navy
Single engines air force
Very few strategic heavey transport and logistic supply capability
Small modest military budget .

Most of pakistans key civillian and military sites are very close to Indian borders which explains Pakistan doctrine to sit and defend their borders

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[ThaniOruvan]

Pakistan don't even stand a chance.
The differences are so huge to miss. That is the reason jokers from Pakistan resort to nuclear tactics.

We must call their bluff. Nuclear weapons can't just be used. Imagine, one nuke from Pakistan will wipe out all of Pakistani cities from world map. No waters from Indus, lose Kashmir completely to India, infighting, Indian navy will create port blockade so no oil and other essential supplies, terrorists will emerge again with full force within Pakistan, Balochistan struggle will get more teeth, not to mention 50% of Pakistan's forces will be wiped out and Afghanistan will become more powerful (worst thing to happen to Pakistan).

Of course India will incur heavy losses, no one is denying that but not in the scale fools in this forum dream.
Do India's losses even compare with all that are listed above ?

China cannot just attack India in support of Pakistan. Russia and USA won't allow that to happen. Who knows USA can even attack China on the other side if they misbehave.

 

[wiseone2]

Hello Everyone,

Can you list the major strategic weaknesses and strengths for both India and Pakistan.

The one I can think of are (in my inexperienced opinon):

Pakistan:

Strengths:

1. Army battle hardened in non-conventional and mountainous Terrain warfare due to War against Taliban
2. Nation has become resilient after facing years or attacks on soft targets
3. Support from China?

Weaknesses:

1. Geographically Narrow Country
2. Most water comes through Indian territory (Indus via Ladakh and Chenab, Ravi, Beas from IOK )
3. Major Cities lie on border (Sialkot, Lahore)

India:

Strengths:

1. Much larger Geographically; Greater Strategic Depth
2. Larger army, better and more modern equipment (Poseidon P-8s, etc)
3. Greater world influence, soft support

Weaknesses:

1. Have much more to lose in case of war, in the way of infrastructure and economy
2. The spectre of China is always near?
3. Low in Crude oil resources, most are imported from Middle East (Iran etc.), having to pass through Arabian Sea

Simply meant to be analysis thread, please no trolling

Wouldn't low in crude apply to Pakistan ??

 

[Hollow Field]

Wouldn't low in crude apply to Pakistan ??

Yes but crude destined for india passes by us in the Arabian sea. Our navy may be able to block supplies

 

[Kaniska]

Hello Everyone,

Can you list the major strategic weaknesses and strengths for both India and Pakistan.

The one I can think of are (in my inexperienced opinon):

Pakistan:

Strengths:

1. Army battle hardened in non-conventional and mountainous Terrain warfare due to War against Taliban
2. Nation has become resilient after facing years or attacks on soft targets
3. Support from China?

Weaknesses:

1. Geographically Narrow Country
2. Most water comes through Indian territory (Indus via Ladakh and Chenab, Ravi, Beas from IOK )
3. Major Cities lie on border (Sialkot, Lahore)

India:

Strengths:

1. Much larger Geographically; Greater Strategic Depth
2. Larger army, better and more modern equipment (Poseidon P-8s, etc)
3. Greater world influence, soft support

Weaknesses:

1. Have much more to lose in case of war, in the way of infrastructure and economy
2. The spectre of China is always near?
3. Low in Crude oil resources, most are imported from Middle East (Iran etc.), having to pass through Arabian Sea

Simply meant to be analysis thread, please no trolling

Pamistan has an parity to have a war for more than a week due to support of US i 2000 and now due to support of China.

In conventional war, India is far ahead than Pakistan....But in 21st century...war will be done through economics and trade...If India can not bring any significant parity with China, Pakistan will be used as a counter to India...And in that sense Pakistan ll have always upperhand than India

 

[GR!FF!N]

Initially both sides will have even numbers. India's mobilisation skills are disastrous, just look at operation prakram. Pakistan can mobilise forces faster and more efficiently. Bigger army or not if forces can't reach a certain area on time properly it's a nuisance.

Wrong Point.

After Op Parakram,India drastically evolved this capability.It has 2 part -

Indian Holding Formations are near the border,so no need to mobilize them.Bringing more such formations(from other parts of India) can be completed within few days.

Bringing Offensive Formations(which generally stays far away from border) to border has already been simulated during various wargames in the past.Standard timing is now 72 hours(at max).

Gauging Indian Capability with 14 years old record is somewhat unwise.

Yes but crude destined for india passes by us in the Arabian sea. Our navy may be able to block supplies

In case of War,Pakistan may become lucky enough to patrol their coastal areas to ensure India doesn't make an amphibious landing,but blocking Arabian Sea??With what Navy?And that too against Combined force of India's Southern and Western Naval Command(Atleast)???

Kindly tally number of Surface fleet PN might send to accomplish such task and enlighten us.

both countries war doctrine and defense requirements are different. India needs big budget due to it's large area,large coast and china factor..
Pakistan have only india to face.


majority of indian border is coastal area. Pakistan have small coastal area to defend. Our naval doctrine is defensive where most investment is done on coastal defense systems.

Wrong Analysis.India-China border is mostly mountainous and India has separate formations for that.Plus,China never jumped into an India-Pakistan conflict(and they'll probably never will.Reality check)

Second,small coast is a disadvantage.India only has to block Karachi to put pressure on Pakistan.I wonder whether Pakistan has a Navy large enough to fight such a blockade,rather than imposing such blockade against Indian ports.

Even a defensive navy couldn't protect Karachi Harbor in 71.Think about that now.

 

[Post Colonnial]

It is ridiculous to compare Pakistan with India - Pakistan is somewhat trivial in comparison and the only interest India has in Pakistan has been to keep the latter's cross border terrorism in check.

Most India defence are Chinese oriented, including their partnership with the USA.

 

[wiseone2]

Yes but crude destined for india passes by us in the Arabian sea. Our navy may be able to block supplies

By that argument Indian navy is in a better position to block your supplies

 

[abc123xyx]

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