Sri Lanka to train Pak army

[manojb]

They have a very guud naval experience and they are the best as regards to jungle warfare, and most importantly they have been very guud friends, we have seen lots of Sri Cadets and Officers joining us in our training sessions, it's guud to see them doing the same.

Indian Navy trains Lankan cadets

 

[Xeric]

DAWN.COM | World | Sri Lanka to train Pak army

Sri Lanka to train Pak army
By Our Correspondent
Friday, 21 Aug, 2009 | 05:00 AM PST |

COLOMBO: Following the victory of the Sri Lankan army over the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), a militant outfit once considered by many as an invincible force, Pakistan has asked Sri Lanka to provide training to its military personnel.

The government of Pakistan wants the Sri Lankan military to train its personnel in counter-insurgency operations, the Commander of the Sri Lankan Army, Lt-Gen Jagath Jayasuriya, told journalists on Thursday.

He said several other countries had also sought information about the strategy and tactics adopted by the Sri Lankan armed forces to decimate the LTTE in just three years of intense fighting.

Pakistan helped Sri Lanka fight the LTTE by supplying arms when other countries had put an embargo on arms sales to the country.

Adm Wasantha Karannagoda, a former naval chief who is currently the National Security Adviser, had said at an international naval seminar in the UK that the strategies and tactics used by the Sri Lankan navy to tackle the LTTE’s naval arm could be of use to other navies because in the conflicts of the future navies would be facing not battleships and destroyers but small and fast boats of non-state rogue navies which could be indulging in insurgencies, piracies and trafficking of various kinds.

 

[Xeric]

Indian Navy trains Lankan cadets

What?

It was a news on Sunday, 13 March 2005!

 

[Zarbe Momin]

I think it would also be helpful to understand scuiciders tactics in pakistan and to stop them.

 

[TaimiKhan]

A sniper of the Indian Army Special Forces personnel taking position during the jungle warfare training at the specialised counter-insurgency range of the Indian army's famous Counter-Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJW) in Vairengte in Mizoram


Indian army's Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare (CIJW) School, in Mizoram has trained srilankan's in Guerrilla warfare, so it is normal for India to get uncomfortable ! anyways good luck to you guys !!

There is nothing to get uncomfortable by India, as the initial COIN training to Sri Lankans was done by Pakistan in 80s. Right now also you can find dozens of Sri Lankan Officers roaming around Quetta Cantt getting trained at Infantry School.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Just one question here we are talking about two different kinds of terrains one is a jungle and other a mountainous terrain. So what exactly are we planning to get out of this experience when there wont be a similar situation? A person belonging to the military can better answer my query.

The footage from Peocher and other parts of Swat indicated heavily forested terrain, and mountainous to boot.

And nothing wrong with sharing experiences, as MK and TK suggested above.

 

[Tango25]

Both armies can learn from IA. Especially PA which has displaced an astonishing number of people.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Just one question here we are talking about two different kinds of terrains one is a jungle and other a mountainous terrain. So what exactly are we planning to get out of this experience when there wont be a similar situation? A person belonging to the military can better answer my query.

Terrains does not means that tactics would be different all together, many of the tactics are similar & can be employed in both or any kind of terrain, experiences are the main thing, Sri Lankan SF will share their tactics & then may be PA will analyze their own tactics & see if any thing has been missed or was not considered, employing new tactics to make the offensive more better is always the strategy in such joint collaborations. Just as the example i gave in my previous post, in my opinion the behind the enemy line action by SSG lacks or if it has been employed is not sufficcient enough, this tactic lead to a lot of tamil deaths some senior commanders included, and moral of your enemy also goes down, surgical strikes are very useful with the intelligence by these behind the line forces, how do you think the Sri Lankan Air force was doing surgical strikes in deep forest areas or launching salvos of deep artillery strikes or MBRL. PA has not used the MBRLs so far, MBRL proved to be a devastating weapon for the tamils.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Both armies can learn from IA. Especially PA which has displaced an astonishing number of people.

Are you serious man ?? if IA was so experienced why their IPKF had to suffer losses and then leave SL without completing their mission ?? Why is COIN happening in more then 50% of Indian territory.

Each army learns on their own experiences, foreigner forces can just give tips & guidelines, the real learning is done by the fighting army themselves. And SL Army & PA are in no way less capable then IA.

As for displacement of people kindly do some reading & know the reasons for that.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Both armies can learn from IA. Especially PA which has displaced an astonishing number of people.

Learn what? The insurgency in Kashmir would still be raging had Pakistan not pulled back its support post 2002.

On top of it, if one does take a look at the IA 'model', what does it suggest?

Pour in over 500,000 solders and paramilitaries against a couple thousand (at most) insurgents and essentially suffocate the insurgent affected area with manpower. And kill and torture thousands of civilians in the process.

Hardly a feasible solution for nations with a tad less in terms of 'human resources'.

Oh, and on that astonishing number of IDP's, per the UN:

Of the nearly 2.3 million people rendered homeless because of the Pakistan military action against terrorists in the Swat Valley and adjoining areas, around 1.6 million have returned home, the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said yesterday.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...fugees-return-home-UN/articleshow/4921578.cms

 

[beckham]

Are you serious man ?? if IA was so experienced why their IPKF had to suffer losses and then leave SL without completing their mission ?? Why is COIN happening in more then 50% of Indian territory.

IPKF failed, beacuse they did not use internationally banned chemical (white phosphorus) and cluster bombs like the Sri Lankan army did it this time. IPKF was concerned about the innocent civilians, it was a peace keeping force and not an invasion force ! IPKF mission had gained tactical successes, but did not succeed in its intended goal =peace.The primary impact of the IPKF, has shaped India's counter-insurgency techniques and military doctrine.After all it was india's Vietnam

Each army learns on their own experiences, foreigner forces can just give tips & guidelines, the real learning is done by the fighting army themselves. And SL Army & PA are in no way less capable then IA.

i have no objection to that !

 

[Xeric]

Just one question here we are talking about two different kinds of terrains one is a jungle and other a mountainous terrain. So what exactly are we planning to get out of this experience when there wont be a similar situation? A person belonging to the military can better answer my query.

Getting trained from someone doesnt mean that you just copy paste their tactics and just replicate the process. It means that you study their procedures, see what suits you, and see what would not fit in for you, alter the procedures that you want to induct as per your requirements, tailor the tactics as it suites your terrain and apply it where ever you deem feasible.

Jungle warfare wouldnt mean that it has to be fought around mangroves and Changa-Manga Reserve Forest!

Our upper Kashmir is fully vegetated, our interior Sindh has large clump and forests and the area where the current operation was being conducted is a theater which to some extent may warrant JW tactics, but these are just random thoughts and it's never too bad to learn! BTW, COIN is COIN, yes the terrain differs, the enemy differs, and the tactics differs, BUT the strategy, the principles, the Do's and Dont's, and most importantly the aim is the same. We can always learn alot from a victorious military who have won against their COIN!

 

[Su 30mki]

Are you serious man ?? if IA was so experienced why their IPKF had to suffer losses and then leave SL without completing their mission ?? Why is COIN happening in more then 50% of Indian territory.

Each army learns on their own experiences, foreigner forces can just give tips & guidelines, the real learning is done by the fighting army themselves. And SL Army & PA are in no way less capable then IA.

As for displacement of people kindly do some reading & know the reasons for that.

Let me update with your GK, since most of you have half knowledge and used it which suites you,

IPKF, nearly corned LTTE to the point, till where no SL army reached, but then SL president started giving arms to LTTE and asked IPKF to leave SL.

India accepted and leave SL,

In India COIN is going on J/k and NE states, which Indian army is soo specialized, that US also came for training, in other parts all things are handled by Police.

 

[Su 30mki]

Getting trained from someone doesnt mean that you just copy paste their tactics and just replicate the process. It means that you study their procedures, see what suits you, and see what would not fit in for you, alter the procedures that you want to induct as per your requirements, tailor the tactics as it suites your terrain and apply it where ever you deem feasible.

Jungle warfare wouldnt mean that it has to be fought around mangroves and Changa-Manga Reserve Forest!

Our upper Kashmir is fully vegetated, our interior Sindh has large clump and forests and the area where the current operation was being conducted is a theater which to some extent may warrant JW tactics, but these are just random thoughts and it's never too bad to learn! BTW, COIN is COIN, yes the terrain differs, the enemy differs, and the tactics differs, BUT the strategy, the principles, the Do's and Dont's, and most importantly the aim is the same. We can always learn alot from a victorious military who have won against their COIN!

Training means getting taught, to learn.

Like Pilots get training to fly planes, engineers get trained to operate machine , like this. Meaning to Training always remain the same.

it means SL army will teach PAK officers how to fight in COIN, and to react , tricks and tactics deployed against enemy etc..

 

[Xeric]

It looks from the News that Pakistan may be interested in getting "information about the strategy and tactics adopted by the Sri Lankan armed forces to decimate the LTTE in just three years of intense fighting." and it might also look into getting "strategies and tactics used by the Sri Lankan navy to tackle the LTTE’s naval arm."

So what's the doubts???