Speeding Tesla kills 2 in China, carmaker denies claims that brakes failed

[Beast]

Roads seriously look like Vietnam LOL

Man, I'm starting to have doubt these electrical system in cars, first Nio and now this.

Nio is human error. While Tesla obviously, is not

 

[jhungary]

Look at the picture, the brake light is obviously on.

This car is Tesla Model Y. If you don't know where the brake lights are, please use Google to query.

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Tesla Y brake light is on the same spot of the turn signal, instead of amber, it flash red. That is if the owner did not modify it.

I have watched the original footage, I did not see either the turn signal or brake light on in the first 8 second before the car pull out and accelerated down the stretch.

On the other hand, the problem with the car is not really it failed to break, but rather it accelerated through out the incident until it crashed. Brake failure will NOT lead to the car accelerate out of control, now, there may be issue with the brake or the system, but if the car accelerated out of control, that mean it is a separate issue than the brake.

Other than that, I cannot comment on anything, but as a cop, I can tell you this, most of the time people crashed their car, they said the brake does not work or they don't have enough time to stop. That mostly not the case, but then I don't know if this is the case, Tesla will have a bunch of data you can download from the car and that black box data will know, before then I think we should wait for more data.

 

[Beast]

Tesla Y brake light is on the same spot of the turn signal, instead of amber, it flash red. That is if the owner did not modify it.

I have watched the original footage, I did not see either the turn signal or brake light on in the first 8 second before the car pull out and accelerated down the stretch.

On the other hand, the problem with the car is not really it failed to break, but rather it accelerated through out the incident until it crashed. Brake failure will NOT lead to the car accelerate out of control, now, there may be issue with the brake or the system, but if the car accelerated out of control, that mean it is a separate issue than the brake.

Other than that, I cannot comment on anything, but as a cop, I can tell you this, most of the time people crashed their car, they said the brake does not work or they don't have enough time to stop. That mostly not the case, but then I don't know if this is the case, Tesla will have a bunch of data you can download from the car and that black box data will know, before then I think we should wait for more data.

I don't think he is brave enough to step on accelerator for 2km.

 

[jhungary]

I don't think he is brave enough to step on accelerator for 2km.

I don't know, I am just pointing out the car is speeding out of control, and if this is the only problem, it has nothing to do with braking. at this speed, even if your brake work and either mechanical problem or software problem led to the jamming of your throttle, you wouldn't be able to stop completely anyway. If the accelerator is jammed or if the software malfunction, then that may cause that, but a brake failure WON'T make the car speed up. I mean, this is just common sense.

On the other hand, he has not brake, and that is also the fact, because we can see the brake light weren't on, there is a small bar inside the main led arc, that was clearly not on for either braking or signalling. Most Tesla driver don't use their brake because you put your foot off gas and it will brake for you, because they uses that energy to regenerate electricity and store back to the car.

 

[MH.Yang]

Tesla Y brake light is on the same spot of the turn signal, instead of amber, it flash red. That is if the owner did not modify it.

I have watched the original footage, I did not see either the turn signal or brake light on in the first 8 second before the car pull out and accelerated down the stretch.

On the other hand, the problem with the car is not really it failed to break, but rather it accelerated through out the incident until it crashed. Brake failure will NOT lead to the car accelerate out of control, now, there may be issue with the brake or the system, but if the car accelerated out of control, that mean it is a separate issue than the brake.

Other than that, I cannot comment on anything, but as a cop, I can tell you this, most of the time people crashed their car, they said the brake does not work or they don't have enough time to stop. That mostly not the case, but then I don't know if this is the case, Tesla will have a bunch of data you can download from the car and that black box data will know, before then I think we should wait for more data.

It's the high mounted brake light.

The red one is the rear fog lamp.

See for yourself what color the brake lights are.

 

[MH.Yang]

I don't know, I am just pointing out the car is speeding out of control, and if this is the only problem, it has nothing to do with braking. at this speed, even if your brake work and either mechanical problem or software problem led to the jamming of your throttle, you wouldn't be able to stop completely anyway. If the accelerator is jammed or if the software malfunction, then that may cause that, but a brake failure WON'T make the car speed up. I mean, this is just common sense.

On the other hand, he has not brake, and that is also the fact, because we can see the brake light weren't on, there is a small bar inside the main led arc, that was clearly not on for either braking or signalling. Most Tesla driver don't use their brake because you put your foot off gas and it will brake for you, because they uses that energy to regenerate electricity and store back to the car.

Don't talk nonsense without driving Tesla.

You said "single pedal mode", but when "single pedal mode" is driving at high speed, the brake light will not be on.

But his brake light came on, he stepped on the brake!

When the brake fails, under normal circumstances, he will definitely keep clicking on gear P, and we can also see that the brake light does light up several times. This is consistent with all the performance when the brake fails.

There is another problem. When Tesla stops, the high mounted brake light should light up. But when the car was initially ready to stop, the high mounted brake light did not light up. After that, the driver should keep using gear P for self rescue before turning on the high mounted brake light.

So the car had problems when it was initially ready to stop.

 

[VCheng]

I don't know, I am just pointing out the car is speeding out of control, and if this is the only problem, it has nothing to do with braking. at this speed, even if your brake work and either mechanical problem or software problem led to the jamming of your throttle, you wouldn't be able to stop completely anyway. If the accelerator is jammed or if the software malfunction, then that may cause that, but a brake failure WON'T make the car speed up. I mean, this is just common sense.

On the other hand, he has not brake, and that is also the fact, because we can see the brake light weren't on, there is a small bar inside the main led arc, that was clearly not on for either braking or signalling. Most Tesla driver don't use their brake because you put your foot off gas and it will brake for you, because they uses that energy to regenerate electricity and store back to the car.

Any such armchair troubleshooting should wait for the Data Event Recorder to be analyzed IMO.

 

[dbc]

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Those who love speed , will live EV. The instant power is mesmerizing.

I've driven a Tesla, my mom had one - I gifted it to my cousin. I prefer a throaty V8, besides the future is hydrogen. They've already invented a solid state Hydrogen fuel cell so in a few years I get the best of both worlds.

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[beijingwalker]

Tesla faulty brake issues represented by 3 Tesla owners from a year ago

Tesla owners talk about crash due to faulty brake, video from a year ago

 

[dbc]

Don't talk nonsense without driving Tesla.

please follow your own advise, the brake lights also come on when you take your foot off the gas pedal in a Tesla.

 

[beijingwalker]

A new Tesla owner who just bought a Tesla two days ago fitted a camera next to the Tesla brake pedal and hopes the video record could testify for her if she crashed

 

[BHAN85]

You can imagine the easy must be for USA remotely hacking those cars and provocate an accident to the people they want, cheaply.

Chinese high rank people should have forbidden use those cars.

 

[beijingwalker]

You can imagine the easy must be for USA remotely hacking those cars and provocate an accident to the people they want, cheaply.

Chinese high rank people should have forbidden use those cars.

First, most Teslas were built in China, second, Chinese high rank people never use Teslas

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[jhungary]

Don't talk nonsense without driving Tesla.

You said "single pedal mode", but when "single pedal mode" is driving at high speed, the brake light will not be on.

But his brake light came on, he stepped on the brake!

When the brake fails, under normal circumstances, he will definitely keep clicking on gear P, and we can also see that the brake light does light up several times. This is consistent with all the performance when the brake fails.

There is another problem. When Tesla stops, the high mounted brake light should light up. But when the car was initially ready to stop, the high mounted brake light did not light up. After that, the driver should keep using gear P for self rescue before turning on the high mounted brake light.

So the car had problems when it was initially ready to stop.

I have driven a Tesla Y. And more importantly, I had been folllowing a Tesla Y, you can't see your own brake light when you are driving. And His brake light is not on for the first 8 seconds when he was supposedly park.

This is how Tesla Y Brake Light Work

When the Brake is on, the light in Yellow Circle is flashed Red. And the brake light is briger in red than the Instrument Light.

Now the First 8 second of the video

0:01

0:02

0:03

0:04

0:05

0:06

0:07

0:08

Beside 0:01 which I can't say for 100% sure the brake light was not on, tell me on which second the brake light was on??

I don't know whether you had even driven before, even with the gear stuck on P, it won't accelerate, that's true with both Tesla or a normal car, in a normal car, if brake was NOT applied, the car will slow to a stop but will not accelerate. In Tesla if a Tesla is on P and no brake applies, the car will arrest and will stop quicker than a normal car because Tesla uses regenerative braking, which anyone had driven a Tesla knows it's like you tab the brake. It's does not matter whether the bar is on, because when you brake, both brake light should also be on, not on mean no braking, and you can see from the video the vehicle in question either did not have that braking bar on top or it was not on.

On the other hand, the COA of this accident is clearly the car speeding out of control, that mean one way or another, the throttle is left on, as I said, braking has no effect on the car being accelerated. unless you are talking about that car is on a long stretch of downward slope, which I don't see it. Which mean the COA should be throttle jammed either by mechanical fault or software malfunction. Brake fail would not make a car accelerate. Which mean as I point out, it's an odd thing to say by the driver. May be the brake failed on a separate issue, I don't know, but looking at this incident, and the normal driver response would be "The car can't/won't stop accelerating" not the car can't brake, because you can see it pick up quite a lot of speed before it crash.

And as I said, wait for the official report or Tesla release the driver data. We don't know what caused this accident. I am just pointing out what the driver say is odd.

I don't know why you are getting very defensive on this. First of all, Tesla is not even classed at Luxury Vehicle in Australia, it's priced at 70,000 to 90,000 which mean even people on minimum wage (which is A$1100 a week) could afford a Tesla because most dealer offer a 5 years low interest repayment plan. And unfortunately one of my cousin drive a Tesla Y probably the same year as the one in this accident, and I have the unfortunate duty to be his designated driver when he is out drinking, and he drink a lot. On the other hand, as a Crime Against Person detective, I have to investigate any traffic accident resulting in bodily harm, I have been in hundred if not thousand of Traffic Accident and invested them through out my career, do you have any investigative experience on MTA??

It's the high mounted brake light.

The red one is the rear fog lamp.

See for yourself what color the brake lights are.


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The light highlight in yellow (the Brake Light) would still be on. Whether or not the high bar is on.

Any such armchair troubleshooting should wait for the Data Event Recorder to be analyzed IMO.

I did not troubleshoot anything. I commented on the verifiable fact of whatever happened in the video and what the driver said in response to the video.

As for what caused the car to react like in the video? I don't know, as I said, I wouldn't comment on that until Tesla released the driver data or the police completed the report. If you can trust the cop.

 

[VCheng]

As for what caused the car to react like in the video? I don't know, as I said, I wouldn't comment on that until Tesla released the driver data or the police completed the report. If you can trust the cop.

Agreed. The DER will have the data to help arrive at the correct conclusion.