Special Services Wing

[shanixee]

first of all i want to correct something...SSG says ALLAH HOO...no HO/HO

 

[Arsalan]

first of all i want to correct something...SSG says ALLAH HOO...no HO/HO

confused!!
who said that they say HO HO,,
we all know this friend,,

regards!

 

[lindsyebanks]

The SSG is the only experienced Spec Ops Force in Pakistan. They have seen action in every major coflict that Pakistan has been involved in from 1965 onwards, as well as peacetime overt and covert operations for Pakistan and its allies. Therefore, it is childish to "compare" them with the SSW and SSGN which are still relatively young.

SSG's experience and training expertise will be used to "teach" the SSW and SSGN and establish them as true Elite forces (like the SSG). They will also learn from international Spec Ops groups of similar types, such as the American SEALs and the 1st Special Operations Wing, the British Special Boat Service, Turkish Special Forces and the Joint Task Force under the United Nations (to which we regularly contribute).

Just like there are multi-role combat aircraft, the SSG, SSGN and SSW are Pakistan's multirole combat warriors. They are not only well trained conventional soldiers, but are individually able of accomplishing many unconventional tasks both overtly and covertly. Therefore, I really appreciate the Pakistani Armed Forces taking steps to build and solidify its Spec Ops capabilities. InshAllah, they will serve us well in the future.

SSGN is a well trained, organised and mature SOF unit; having been created in 1967 almost a decade after SSG came into being. At the time, SSG was not anywhere near its full potential, given the role they were initially created for as a stay behind force, at the encouragement of the US. The area of operations for SSGN (maritime) and SSG (land) are very different as is the obvious case. Whilst the SSG has been involved in many military operations in comparison to SSGN, it has to be borne in mind that this is mainly due to its respective responsibilities as well as the much bigger size of SSG in comparison to the SSGN. Pakistan Navy is not involved in any aspects of land operations and therefore is not expected to contribute any of its assets to land oriented army operations, unless asked by the army - and that does not happen very often. Likewise the reverse is true for any sea-based operations, whereby SSG will have a limited role - despite the fact that they have a dive trained/dedicated unit.

Naval operations even during peace time have always been conducted covertly by SSGN as a matter of policy for the Pakistan Navy and cannot be assumed to therefore indicate a lack of experience when there is no visibility of such ops.

SSG given its size has a lot of the infrastructure for training SOF's. As such these facilities are utilised by PN as and when required - e.g. para training school, commando land course and other specialised courses. However unknown to many is the fact that SSGN during its existence has also imparted training to SSG in the past - advanced freefall training, combat diving and some aspects of HRT (Hostage rescue training). SSG was trained by the SAS in 1982 in counter-terrorism, which led to the creation of the dedicated counter terrorist unit - Musa company. SSGN on the other hand had already begun honing its skills in this area, thanks to its involvements in the previous decade with foreign SOF's.

SSGN has regular annual exercises for the past 17 years with its counterparts from Turkey, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia (+ others) and since 2005 USN Seals, far longer than SSG has with the former countries. In September 2005 SSGN was the first ever Pakistani origin unit invited to participate in Exercise Bright Star, whilst most readers are already aware of its previous interactions and training in the 70's with Imperial Iranian Navy, Seals and to some extent British SBS.

In addition to undergoing the army run 8 month commando course at Cherat, SSGN are also required to undergo the 8 month combat diver course run at Iqbal. SSGN is therefore uniquely placed to undertake land based ops as well, as it was originally trained to do in 1963 by its US forbearers and who in turn evolved into the USN Seals.

Until Pakistani military strategists decide to include SSGN in joint SSG land ops, SSGN will continue to focus on what it does best and which no other unit in Pakistan can do - maritime ops.

 

[pakomar]

Hey guys, i,ve got another Idea, why shouldn't there be SSGSCF, confused?
SSGSCF(Special Services Group Strategic Command Forces) whose prime task should be to takeover enemy nukes,chemical,biological,EMP warheads and sabotage of Silos of the enemy, their task should be to nutralize enemy strategic assets and protection of our own strategic assets, they should be more scientific based as compare to SSG,SSW,NSSG, so what do u say?

hold on man Pakistan is not at that position to take any one nukes.

 

[Arsalan]

hold on man Pakistan is not at that position to take any one nukes.

and what makes a country in a position to take down nukes,,,
i mean, seriously, such actions depend more on requirment then capability!!

regards!

 

[pakomar]

and what makes a country in a position to take down nukes,,,
i mean, seriously, such actions depend more on requirment then capability!!

regards!

What I ment was what come after when Pakistan take nukes???

 

[Wingman]

Good work webbie!

 

[mjnaushad]

Hey guys, i,ve got another Idea, why shouldn't there be SSGSCF, confused?
SSGSCF(Special Services Group Strategic Command Forces) whose prime task should be to takeover enemy nukes,chemical,biological,EMP warheads and sabotage of Silos of the enemy, their task should be to nutralize enemy strategic assets and protection of our own strategic assets, they should be more scientific based as compare to SSG,SSW,NSSG, so what do u say?

SSG is quite capable of doing that in BEL operations. After all nobody blows enemy's nuke they just disable it by destroying the computer. All it need is one C4.

 

[mjnaushad]

Getting Training in US

PAF Special Services Wing carrying FN F2000 rifles while on training at the Fort Lewis, Wash. in USA on, July 23, 2007.

 

[pakomar]

seen it any more pics

 

[blain2]

SSGN has regular annual exercises for the past 17 years with its counterparts from Turkey, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia (+ others) and since 2005 USN Seals, far longer than SSG has with the former countries. In September 2005 SSGN was the first ever Pakistani origin unit invited to participate in Exercise Bright Star, whilst most readers are already aware of its previous interactions and training in the 70's with Imperial Iranian Navy, Seals and to some extent British SBS.

Lindsey,

SSG has been training with their counterparts for a very long time. Certainly a lot longer than 17 years. This started with SSG training with US SF returning from their tours of Vietnam (63-64). In between that and the 70s, there was a lot of emphasis on working with the SF from Middle East. Starting in the late 80s, SSG started on the "Inspired Venture" series of ex. with the US SF which were conducted throughout the 90s.

It goes without saying that SSG/N has been around for a long time too. The initial SSG/N cadres were trained by the SSG/A, however due to the specialization of roles, the Navy had to set up its own facilities. As you have pointed out, SSG/A had a combat diver unit in the form of "M" company. These folks were regular visitors to SSG/N facilities. M (Musa) company in the 80s became the CT unit eventually handing this role off to Zarrar Company and reverting back to being a combat diver unit for SSG/A for inland operations.

Interestingly enough, in 2007, SSG/A participated in Ex. Bright Star, but in 2008, a combined SSG/A and SSG/N team was sent to Turkey for Ex. Ataturk.

 

[lindsyebanks]

Lindsey,

SSG has been training with their counterparts for a very long time. Certainly a lot longer than 17 years. This started with SSG training with US SF returning from their tours of Vietnam (63-64). In between that and the 70s, there was a lot of emphasis on working with the SF from Middle East. Starting in the late 80s, SSG started on the "Inspired Venture" series of ex. with the US SF which were conducted throughout the 90s.

It goes without saying that SSG/N has been around for a long time too. The initial SSG/N cadres were trained by the SSG/A, however due to the specialization of roles, the Navy had to set up its own facilities. As you have pointed out, SSG/A had a combat diver unit in the form of "M" company. These folks were regular visitors to SSG/N facilities. M (Musa) company in the 80s became the CT unit eventually handing this role off to Zarrar Company and reverting back to being a combat diver unit for SSG/A for inland operations.

Interestingly enough, in 2007, SSG/A participated in Ex. Bright Star, but in 2008, a combined SSG/A and SSG/N team was sent to Turkey for Ex. Ataturk.

Thanks for the reply. Always nice to get some repsonse to my postings which isn't always the case

In my effort to write my initial post, what I was trying to put across hasn't come across very well and I can see how it looks - not very accurate. What I was had attempted to intimate was that SSGN has been holding annual exercises consistently with the former countries, i.e. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and SAT (Turkey) whereas to my knowledge SSG hasn't manintained that level of continuity. That at least is what I have gleaned from the SOF community. I was therefore pointing that SSGN was not therefore sitting idle with lack of land ops. But perhaps someone out there from SSG can clarify this.

Yes there have been the usual intercations during the decades with the US SOF by both units and for one reaon or another their continuity was not maintained. As you pointed out, pne example is the Inspired Gambit series in the 90's before military contacts were broken off and once renewed in 2002, the exercises were re-initiated.

SSGN still get trained by SSG in certain aspects and have done so for the whole of its existence, as it doesnt make much sense to duplicate efforts in the land training aspect. As already mentioned, the most basic training provided is the basic/advanced commando course, followed by some specialised courses. This joint training is followed by other countries, e.g. SBS training with SAS before there then emerges a divergence of operational needs and thereby training requirments in order to hone those skills.

SSGN has apparently always had its own facilities from the outset following the commissioning of PNS Iqbal given their frogman and combat diver roles.

SSG and SSGN (as well as SSW for that matter) will continue to complement one another. SSG always has and will continue to retain a strong relationship with and provide the support framework to its sister arms in the Pakistani SOF community.

And yes, I recall the attendance by SSG as well as SSGN in Bright Star 07/08.

The aim of my initial post had merely been to balance the view of SSG being the only credible or seriously eperienced SOF unit in Pakistan. Whilst agreeing with everything that has been said about SSG, I felt the need to root for the SSGN camp in light of their professionalism, experience and expertise.

 

[fatman17]

SSG being the high-profile SOF org gets all the attention but dont under-estimate the SSGN. they are experts in their own right - now with the increased co-ordination between the three arms (WoT/Fata), i am quite sure that there will be more high-profile inter-action between the two SOF's.

 

[pakomar]

COMMANDOS IN SPECIAL SERVICES WING (SSW) A & SD BRANCH

Nationality: Male/Female Citizens of Pakistan

Rank: Pilot Officer

Training Period: Six months GST and ATC training at PAF Academy Risalpur as Aviation Cadet.
After completion of initial training suitable/Physical capable candidates would be detailed
for Officers Advance Commando Course (OACC).

Qualification: BA/BSc (FSc Pre Medical/Engineering/Computer Science) Minimum 2nd Div from a
recognized Pakistani / Foreign University and volunteer to join Special Services Wing.

what is the age limit for the above to join????

 

[blain2]

Guess who conducts the OACC for SSW?