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SP Ilyas, three family members gunned down in Quetta

Dear brother , SP got killed with his Family................ Now what respect............. We are in state of War , and we have to fight this like a war..............
If we call them (terrorists) brothers and give them respect and if we don't do any thing to Iran or UAE or even India ,then we lost 80% of war..........
Our Foreign Office(political system) already lost the war( and I am sorry to say , but They already lost the Pakistan) , now our Army and Agenises are losing what left..............
Dear brother , its time when we start Fire in India , Iran UAE...... In all countries involve in Baluchistan..... L:et us burn them while we are on fire........... If we go make sure we take them with us.
And the courtiers interfering in Baluchistan let me tell you one thing that I know , The name of 3 countries start with "I" , 1 with "A" and 2 with "U". 3 countries are our so-called Muslim brotherly Countries ............... And I am very sure about that......... don't ask me how but 100% , and I am not lying...

It was about the respect given to family and not the terrorist. May be you misread it. No terrorist is spared but we unlike them cowards, did not harm any innocent or family that has nothing to do in fight. when it is about our security, we do not trust upon anyone but ground realities and findings that we have hence, there is no such thing as brotherly love. However, it is like 1 V/s many at this battlefield hence, people have to stand with LEAs and not loose temper or misdirected. We cannot go like all charging out on many countries like this as to say because, this is what enemy want us to be scattered around that can avail opportunity. The dynamics of this fight alone, are different than conventional that here it involves money, deception, propaganda, lies and defame for which we left only our Forces to fight on all the fronts.

We also need to check with our resources and aftermath of a fight as such and just look at how enemies are merely waiting us to leave safezone. Firstly, we have to secure our house which should have been done long before if every party/all of us would have played together our part to make it done and that is what today we are lacking. The emphasis is, FC cannot go to any country or xyz embassy or call upon any foreign Ambassador to discuss any threat originated from so & so country but it is the job of political Government firstly to show its presence on ground with people that voted them in Baluchistan and then by active yet aggressive diplomacy in this regard.

A major Op is need of hour but from another point of view, actually there is no political backing by ruling elite that is only hell bent to save their own skin and money while scoring some points for next elections.
 
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CJCSC recently disclosed about millions $ investment by R&AW and the same is showing the signs to be true. Terrorists hiding in different countries, shall be brought to justice and war on terrorism should not be selective for all the parties in world.

He can stuff his disclosure where the sun don't shine.

Every tom dick and harry know who is behind the terrorism in Pakistan not just Baluchistan. Those who dont know must be living under the rock all these years. The "disclosures" will not stop terrorism in Pakistan, neither killing the foot soldiers, only smashing the foreign sponsors in their own den is where the answer lies.

Pakistani deep state has gone south from the days of Zia, Gen Akhter and Hameed Gul. Everything has become reactive then proactive ever since the "purged" done by the "enlighten moderate" Musharraf and his gang.
 
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He can stuff his disclosure where the sun don't shine.

Every tom dick and harry know who is behind the terrorism in Pakistan not just Baluchistan. Those who dont know must be living under the rock all these years. The "disclosures" will not stop terrorism in Pakistan, neither killing the foot soldiers, only smashing the foreign sponsors in their own den is where the answer lies.

Pakistani deep state has gone south from the days of Zia, Gen Akhter and Hameed Gul. Everything has become reactive then proactive ever since the "purged" done by the "enlighten moderate" Musharraf and his gang.

He has actually told the concerned authority to take necessary action on their part through diplomatic enclave and foreign policy and stop the useless friendly card with the world. Do we have anything to offer on political grounds or does anyone sees political elite capable and gutsy of such decisions to go aggressive in this hunt. We have handful of history where it has been labelled only to Forces to deal with maniac while using Islamabad seat to loot & plunder. The political government has to fight the war shoulder to shoulder with military otherwise no visible success but containment of situation.

Rest about your language for such high personality, will advise not to resort as such or at-least be on his level to speak in front of him but here. When we cannot respect the one that deserves then not expect much of success against enemies too. Don't quote me while insulting anyone.

Regards,
 
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Hum nai sirf baatain karni hain.

We stopped caring about Balochistan years ago.
Mubashir Zaidi actively supports terrorists in balochistan and he is a journalist in Dawn Govt should also act against those jurnos who are supporting terrorists in Balochistan
 
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He has actually told the concerned authority to take necessary action on their part through diplomatic enclave and foreign policy and stop the useless friendly card with the world. Do we have anything to offer on political grounds or does anyone sees political elite capable and gutsy of such decisions to go aggressive in this hunt. We have handful of history where it has been labelled only to Forces to deal with maniac while using Islamabad seat to loot & plunder. The political government has to fight the war shoulder to shoulder with military otherwise no visible success but containment of situation.

Rest about your language for such high personality, will advise not to resort as such or at-least be on his level to speak in front of him but here. When we cannot respect the one that deserves then not expect much of success against enemies too. Don't quote me while insulting anyone.

Regards,


Since when deep state need the approval of incumbent government to act? I am not talking about Pakistan, but any country worth its salt.

You think taking up this with the FO to relay this to the foreign sponsors of these terrorists activities will yield any results? Who FO will speak to ? Their counterparts in the enemy nations? I got news for you, their FO will be as clueless as ours, as its their own deep state which is involved in this fourth generation warfare against Pakistan. And this argument that political (aka civilian) leadership needs to be on-board as well is I am afraid fly against the ground realities. Who dry cleaned these leeches which are sucking Pakistan dry through NRO? Who allowed Zardari nomination papers to go through? Who rigged the 2013 election in favour of Nawaz Shareef? These are some really tough and painful questions that everyone need to ask.

This present situation is nothing but passing the buck. A rut, where a crook and criminal ex-PM and his clan is still holding the state hostage where all of them should have been in jail by now, if not gallows. The world best intelligence agency's chief says that the operation clean up is not bound by time and pace, well, someone needs to send him a memo, with the English phrase "time is of the essence".

I cant say about you, I am not into personality worship or cult following. Its a curse on Pakistani nation that they get seduced and satisfied so easily. The expectations are so low. Its a result oriented world out there. While Pakistan bleed, its enemy nations don't even have a scratch on their skin. This is not the Pakistan I was brought up in.
 
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It was about the respect given to family and not the terrorist. May be you misread it. No terrorist is spared but we unlike them cowards, did not harm any innocent or family that has nothing to do in fight. when it is about our security, we do not trust upon anyone but ground realities and findings that we have hence, there is no such thing as brotherly love. However, it is like 1 V/s many at this battlefield hence, people have to stand with LEAs and not loose temper or misdirected. We cannot go like all charging out on many countries like this as to say because, this is what enemy want us to be scattered around that can avail opportunity. The dynamics of this fight alone, are different than conventional that here it involves money, deception, propaganda, lies and defame for which we left only our Forces to fight on all the fronts.

We also need to check with our resources and aftermath of a fight as such and just look at how enemies are merely waiting us to leave safezone. Firstly, we have to secure our house which should have been done long before if every party/all of us would have played together our part to make it done and that is what today we are lacking. The emphasis is, FC cannot go to any country or xyz embassy or call upon any foreign Ambassador to discuss any threat originated from so & so country but it is the job of political Government firstly to show its presence on ground with people that voted them in Baluchistan and then by active yet aggressive diplomacy in this regard.

A major Op is need of hour but from another point of view, actually there is no political backing by ruling elite that is only hell bent to save their own skin and money while scoring some points for next elections.
Dear brother , SP got killed with his family (one chilled the Grand Son) and we let family of snake go alive or as you said we treat them with respect,,,, hell no , what respect ,,,,,
Dear brother (I know you are right on many points and make sense , but ) my sense meter is out (because of this painful news with 15 other dead bodies) , I want change like other Pakistanis, We have to tell Iran and UAE clearly we will burn them (Army can do that) and we have to start our game in India.
Brother war is entering in final stage , ISIS in Afgnistan for Us or Iran (Look like We are first target). Only option is operation clean-up and send all Afghnis back to Afghnistan,
 
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You think taking up this with the FO to relay this to the foreign sponsors of these terrorists activities will yield any results? Who FO will speak to ? Their counterparts in the enemy nations? I got news for you, their FO will be as clueless as ours, as its their own deep state which is involved in this fourth generation warfare against Pakistan. And this argument that political (aka civilian) leadership needs to be on-board as well is I am afraid fly against the ground realities. Who dry cleaned these leeches which are sucking Pakistan dry through NRO? Who allowed Zardari nomination papers to go through? Who rigged the 2013 election in favour of Nawaz Shareef? These are some really tough and painful questions that everyone need to ask.

NRO, Zardari and Nawaz cult are already brought to Court to deal with it forever. The deep state actors either inhouse or abroad, to be exposed then brought to justice. Don't you think that how it is possible without all stake holders in confidence as such to go aggressive on foreign land. Any Military without full backing cannot do as such but to remain inside and keep cleaning the mess. Speaking of 4th generation warfare, it has to be fought on the same rules that what others brought then there is no need of issuing certificates online as what we are going to do or we are doing. Every government is well aware as either deep or surface state is up-to and in our case, actually there is no political will as to do so. The NRO is widely rejected and there is no such possibility anymore to happen here. When it comes to fulfill responsibility, the nation sees Military dealing with floods, disaster, traffic, rebuilding, constructions in affected areas, supply of food to remote areas and all over where it is the responsibility of Government. The culprits that are hiding abroad are to be brought to justice by way of foreign office or it is Military that has to go there for justice.

This present situation is nothing but passing the buck. A rut, where a crook and criminal ex-PM and his clan is still holding the state hostage where all of them should have been in jail by now, if not gallows. The world best intelligence agency's chief says that the operation clean up is not bound by time and pace, well, someone needs to send him a memo, with the English phrase "time is of the essence".

The political situation is all related to other institutions and public at large. All I see that still people are saving the cult even the matter is wide open and dealt in Court as well as transpired to the masses that how these thugs are looting. Military cannot intervene into such process openly but as & when directed by the authority. For the moment I see only Higher Court can do so that too to the extent of maintaining Law & Order in political case scenario or further by fulfilling the orders of Court. Speaking of Intel Chief, it was mentioned due to the bigger threat that actually cannot be dealt overnight. Saying as such, was attributed that actually pace is more than what other sees but threat is bigger than usual based upon modern warfare supported by many.

I cant say about you, I am not into personality worship or cult following. Its a curse on Pakistani nation that they get seduced and satisfied so easily. The expectations are so low. Its a result oriented world out there. While Pakistan bleed, its enemy nations don't even have a scratch on their skin. This is not the Pakistan I was brought up in.

There is no such thing as worshiping but respect and not to name call. Still, despite what the one sees it the way, there are many credits that these officials holds and to be called upon respectfully. The message can be conveyed in best possible way with civility and mannerism. Bleeding the enemy needs strong backing from house and economical strength while you can compare current situation that treasury minister is on run to save skin yet proven thug and money launderer. Military cannot cross the line but such process has to start through justice system that I see, at-least we are on track and the same is started. Seeking short cuts and direct Military actions contrary to Law are going to damage more than the results we expects, in the long run and the same is wanted many so-called friends so that Pakistan can be hit once again with sanctions as such we cannot afford any more.

Dear brother , SP got killed with his family (one chilled the Grand Son) and we let family of snake go alive or as you said we treat them with respect,,,, hell no , what respect ,,,,,
Dear brother (I know you are right on many points and make sense , but ) my sense meter is out (because of this painful news with 15 other dead bodies) , I want change like other Pakistanis, We have to tell Iran and UAE clearly we will burn them (Army can do that) and we have to start our game in India.
Brother war is entering in final stage , ISIS in Afgnistan for Us or Iran (Look like We are first target). Only option is operation clean-up and send all Afghnis back to Afghnistan,

I do agree on the point of growing threat than before. I have no concern if any of either brotherly etc country is involved, we should deal them the way it deserve. Treating of family is what represent us so family was nor involved in anything, hence, respectfully treated which speaks volume and difference among us & terrorists. Indeed, it is high time and tension is growing while to be honest with you, the blood boils seeing such news and fallen brothers but there is a set rule for these types of games. As the other party plays it, we have to keep it the way it is however, there are certain things we cannot ignore and have to keep our repute too. Yes, a response is needed but doing so is not that simple the way we see it and needs a lot of resources, favouring circumstances as well as all inhouse agreed to. Not to mention that we have a cult that may spill it anywhere, anytime against mere few bucks. So, in my opinion, resources are less as compare to needed action but still, I see it going a bit on good track.
 
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You are partially correct. Although Army is stretched, but they can train FC to take care of FATA now while leaving behind fewer troops. Rest troops along with Balochistan FC can launch a massive operation aiming to annihilate BLA, BRA, LEJ, etc in Balochistan. These m0f0 cannot be neglected.

Army is training FC, you should see Mahaz program by Wajahat S khan on Baluchistan FC, and their Commando's , they are been trained by Army Special Service groups .. but until our political party provide people the opportunities , and Judiciary dont convict and give punishments to renounce terrorist, we cant have complete peace .

Bhai humain nahi sikhao. We know what is happening in Balochistan. Nobody cares about it.

Ok whatever you wish to believe .. have a good day
 
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NRO, Zardari and Nawaz cult are already brought to Court to deal with it forever. The deep state actors either inhouse or abroad, to be exposed then brought to justice. Don't you think that how it is possible without all stake holders in confidence as such to go aggressive on foreign land. Any Military without full backing cannot do as such but to remain inside and keep cleaning the mess. Speaking of 4th generation warfare, it has to be fought on the same rules that what others brought then there is no need of issuing certificates online as what we are going to do or we are doing. Every government is well aware as either deep or surface state is up-to and in our case, actually there is no political will as to do so. The NRO is widely rejected and there is no such possibility anymore to happen here. When it comes to fulfill responsibility, the nation sees Military dealing with floods, disaster, traffic, rebuilding, constructions in affected areas, supply of food to remote areas and all over where it is the responsibility of Government. The culprits that are hiding abroad are to be brought to justice by way of foreign office or it is Military that has to go there for justice.

Lets take the stock of the present situation. The crooks who are ruling us were brought in with the agreement and full backing of the "establishment" or deep state as we say. Hence the NRO. Its irrelevant of what a commoner think of that. Now to say, the since the political elite is not doing its job and not shoulder to shoulder with the military, I am afraid is no argument. Establishment dry cleaned these leeches, why try to hide behind now against the incompetency of these lot? Is that some sort of jail break card whenever sh|t hits the fan that these crooks are made an excuse of perhaps hiding own incompetency?

No military or intelligence needs a certificate from incumbent government to act in the name of national security. It is part of their job, their portfolio. The one facet of national security is offensive defence. While its understandable that not all terrorist activities can be stopped but when such events occur, there has to be an immediate reappraisal within the enemy nation's sovereign land (not disputed territory) with vengeance and with interest. This is the area where Pakistani nation has been lead down miserably, ever since the "enlighten moderates" took control.


The political situation is all related to other institutions and public at large. All I see that still people are saving the cult even the matter is wide open and dealt in Court as well as transpired to the masses that how these thugs are looting. Military cannot intervene into such process openly but as & when directed by the authority. For the moment I see only Higher Court can do so that too to the extent of maintaining Law & Order in political case scenario or further by fulfilling the orders of Court. Speaking of Intel Chief, it was mentioned due to the bigger threat that actually cannot be dealt overnight. Saying as such, was attributed that actually pace is more than what other sees but threat is bigger than usual based upon modern warfare supported by many.

Then its a problem with the deep state itself which has either become incompetent or lost control. I don't know how many times I have brought this, when JFK tried to challenge the "system" in his country, he was given bullet there any then, without much fuss and he was the most popular civilian leader in that country. Pakistan has been lead to dogs by the so called defenders of this country and its ideology, I am amused that the crook political elite is still used as a smoke screen to cover the failures. And the sore thumb keeps on sticking out, that question that no one wants to answer, WHO brought these scumbags to power?


Don't hide behind the failures of others because, specially when they were brought in with full consent of all relevant quarters, ultimately the buck stop at the top. Pakistan internal and external security is the domain of law enforcement agencies, intel and military.
 
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Lets take the stock of the present situation. The crooks who are ruling us were brought in with the agreement and full backing of the "establishment" or deep state as we say. Hence the NRO. Its irrelevant of what a commoner think of that. Now to say, the since the political elite is not doing its job and not shoulder to shoulder with the military, I am afraid is no argument. Establishment dry cleaned these leeches, why try to hide behind now against the incompetency of these lot? Is that some sort of jail break card whenever sh|t hits the fan that these crooks are made an excuse of perhaps hiding own incompetency?

My friend, as compare to past, current process through Judiciary and what Courts are doing actually speaks volume about transition from past to good future as present is busy with cleaning the mess. Whosoever, from establishment brought these leeches back, cannot deny or stop how the justice is being served currently. The mess is so big and may take time but not long.

No military or intelligence needs a certificate from incumbent government to act in the name of national security. It is part of their job, their portfolio. The one facet of national security is offensive defence. While its understandable that not all terrorist activities can be stopped but when such events occur, there has to be an immediate reappraisal within the enemy nation's sovereign land (not disputed territory) with vengeance and with interest. This is the area where Pakistani nation has been lead down miserably, ever since the "enlighten moderates" took control.

Two things here. Inland action does not need any permission, therefore, this is not the argument at all because Military is doing every possible thing and we both agree that these attacks cannot be stopped totally but sooner. However, speaking of inhouse cleaning, you may remember that how political thugs actually conditioned everything through legislation from Assembly/Parliament that even if Rangers has to take actions in province, there are conditions defined by the civilian government as how to act which actually limits the power of action. The same approach and needed law is only possible when Courts are done with these culprits and eligible/competent people make it to the parliament then may expect reforms in law where at least LEAs will be doing the needed thing without getting into useless process and orders of provincial government. Situation in Baluchistan is different to other provinces and for better comparison we can see that how KPK became more safer than before and we see much peace as compare to past.

The same kind of approach is needed in Baluchistan and beside external elements, funding and many enemies; civilian government is unwilling yet comprising of very less competent heads to fight together with the maniac. Just today, I was reading a news w.r.t. Baluchistna Assembly members are protesting for unpaid bonus allegedly promised by CM in past so the one thinks, there is no one among Government Lines to shame them as are you here to ask for bonuses where people are dying of terrorism or left to the mercy of Sardars sitting in Assembly. People like Achakzai and Asfandyar are sheltered by PMLn government etc so Military cannot jump directly to deal with them.

For any revenge on foreign land, I will repeat, the same needs many resources that includes civilian government backing behind closed doors as to handle pressure and not to be called some kind of rogue military that, in my opinion, current political lot will not miss a chance even to do so. Therefore, under such circumstances, only available options are utilized that few days back COAS visited Afghanistan, also met with US authorities and many others whereby we had good news about hunting many big names of TTP & ISIS. This war wide and being backed by different parties as per their interests and love of proxies where we are almost alone to deal with hence, needs proper arrangement and careful steps and not to be responsible in hurry at all. That is all I can say at the moment.

Don't hide behind the failures of others because, specially when they were brought in with full consent of all relevant quarters, ultimately the buck stop at the top. Pakistan internal and external security is the domain of law enforcement agencies, intel and military.

Yes it is and for internal and external security, I said as above.

Then its a problem with the deep state itself which has either become incompetent or lost control. I don't know how many times I have brought this, when JFK tried to challenge the "system" in his country, he was given bullet there any then, without much fuss and he was the most popular civilian leader in that country. Pakistan has been lead to dogs by the so called defenders of this country and its ideology, I am amused that the crook political elite is still used as a smoke screen to cover the failures. And the sore thumb keeps on sticking out, that question that no one wants to answer, WHO brought these scumbags to power?

As I said in this post above, the things are getting changed and there is no involvement further as such. Whosoever brought at that time, whosoever means any name, are also gone in history and Pakistan learnt from mistakes hence, doors are closed for any such possibility at all. However, saying the same again & again is not going to do any good further and the process remains here. For such high quality justice system and cleaning, it needs time and cannot be done over night.

Edit: Just today, Global Terrorism Index shows that Pakistan is at fifth and being removed from top 20 most dangerous countries, that actually speaks volume about our efforts in war against terrorism.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/77-c...ected-country-iep.528688/page-2#post-10018863
 
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Just saw in news that these 15 guys were travelling to Iran, from where they wanted to travel to Europe illegally. Most of the deceased were youngsters from Punjab.


This might be human traffickers but they put claim as allah nazar group
 
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This might be human traffickers but they put claim as allah nazar group

BLF has already accepted responsibility of these killings. The victims were workers of FWO in Baluchistan.

Just saw in news that these 15 guys were travelling to Iran, from where they wanted to travel to Europe illegally. Most of the deceased were youngsters from Punjab.
 
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This might be human traffickers but they put claim as allah nazar group

All had Iranian visa. They were to enter Iran legally but were probably caught by anti-Punjabi RAW agents (the ones claiming responsibilities)
From Iran, they intended to travel to Europe illegally.
If it were human traffickers, they would have allowed them to enter Iran.
 
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