South Korea scrambles fighter jets after detecting 180 North Korean warplanes, military says

[Foinikas]

Korea was invaded and partitioned by the US and the North tried to liberate the South.

In which universe? Because if you knew about history,you'd know that US and USSR agreed to partition Korea to avoid war. And in 1950,the communist North invaded the South in an effort to reunite the country under communist rule.

It wasn't going to be a liberation for the South Koreans. It was going to be an occupation and annexation.

None of your kind's business it's Korean affair.

What's my "kind" ? And why is an Indian supposedly allowed to discuss it then? When India occupies Kashmir?

 

[beijingwalker]

In which universe? Because if you knew about history,you'd know that US and USSR agreed to partition Korea to avoid war. And in 1950,the communist North invaded the South in an effort to reunite the country under communist rule.

It wasn't going to be a liberation for the South Koreans. It was going to be an occupation and annexation.


What's my "kind" ? And why is an Indian supposedly allowed to discuss it then? When India occupies Kashmir?

It's Koreans civil war, US should have stayed out of it, US stationing army in the south could be one of the reasons that north attacked, to drive foreign occupiers out of Korea.

 

[Foinikas]

It's Koreans civil war, US should have stayed out of it, US stationing army in the south could be one of the reasons that north attacked, to drive foreign occupiers out of Korea.

And USSR and PRC shouldn't have helped North Korea then. Stop kidding yourself. It was a Cold War conflict.

 

[beijingwalker]

And USSR and PRC shouldn't have helped North Korea then. Stop kidding yourself. It was a Cold War conflict.

China didn't intervene until US troops reached very border of China and shelled and killed Chinese citiiezens inside China. Koreans just wanted to unify their own nation, what did it have to do with US? Why US had to stop a nation from unifying themselves?

 

[Leishangthem]

In which universe? Because if you knew about history,you'd know that US and USSR agreed to partition Korea to avoid war. And in 1950,the communist North invaded the South in an effort to reunite the country under communist rule.

It wasn't going to be a liberation for the South Koreans. It was going to be an occupation and annexation.


What's my "kind" ? And why is an Indian supposedly allowed to discuss it then? When India occupies Kashmir?

Who are the Soviet and US to decide on partition of Korea instead of koreans? what kind of shitty justification is this?
Koreans occupying korea !!1!! the travesty!!! the reasoning for the cult of west for invasion and dividing up korea and keeping it divided for American power projection.

I have no bone in kashmir,I honestly dgaf .But your kind are incessantly meddling in affair of another ethnic nation .

 

[Foinikas]

Who are the Soviet and US to decide on partition of Korea instead of koreans? what kind of shitty justification is this?
Koreans occupying korea !!1!! the travesty!!! the reasoning for the cult of west for invasion and dividing up korea and keeping it divided for American power projection.

I have no bone in kashmir,I honestly dgaf .But your kind are incessantly meddling in affair of another ethnic nation .

Who are the Soviet and US? It was World War II. After World War II,the Soviets and Americans liberated parts of Korea.
Soviets installed their communist regime in the north and Americans their own in the south. That's how things are.

Soviets got all of Eastern Europe as well.

China didn't intervene until US troops reached very border of China and shelled and killed Chinese citiiezens inside China. Koreans just wanted to unify their own nation, what did it have to do with US? Why US had to stop a nation from unifying themselves?

China and USSR supported Kim Il-Sung though and the DPRK from the beginning.

Not all people want to be ruled by communists. South Koreans didn't consider the North's invasion as "unification",but as annexation. Same like the majority of people of South Vietnam during the war.

 

[jhungary]

It is likely to be pre-empted but I remember correctly there were hundreds of hidden fixed and towed artillery emplacements built by them along that border which apparently can be manned fairly quickly. If anything the NK army is one of the most prolific users(at least on paper) of artillery.

There is no question that RoK could detect the movement of troops and launch pre emptive strikes to take them out but it would be difficult to keep Seoul unscathed just because of the proximity

It really depends on how would South Korea reacted. If South Korea did an Israel and do a preempted strike, that would be more than enough to take out the artillery threat by the North.

The thing that scares the South Korean is not the thousands of artillery pieces up north, the thing that scare them is a single loose nuke that they can't find and heading down south.

But then, even if Seoul is nuked, it probably won't stop the South Korean and most likely US troop advance toward the North, and this time it will be a bloodbath, while I can't tell you much but there is joint training menu on one of those scenarios and these troop know exactly what to do and where to go in case of Korean War 2.0

 

[beijingwalker]

China and USSR supported Kim Il-Sung though and the DPRK from the beginning.

Not all people want to be ruled by communists. South Koreans didn't consider the North's invasion as "unification",but as annexation. Same like the majority of people of South Vietnam during the war.

Every government has friends and enemies, but sending troop to intervene another country's civil war is a different story, US also fought a civil war, what would they feel like if another country sending their armies to intervene?

Not all people want to be ruled by communists. South Koreans didn't consider the North's invasion as "unification",but as annexation. Same like the majority of people of South Vietnam during the war.

It doesn't matter who they were, it was a national unification war, it also happened multiple times in the Chinese history, no nation likes to stay divided forever.

 

[Leishangthem]

Who are the Soviet and US? It was World War II. After World War II,the Soviets and Americans liberated parts of Korea.
Soviets installed their communist regime in the north and Americans their own in the south. That's how things are.

Soviets got all of Eastern Europe as well.


China and USSR supported Kim Il-Sung though and the DPRK from the beginning.

Not all people want to be ruled by communists. South Koreans didn't consider the North's invasion as "unification",but as annexation. Same like the majority of people of South Vietnam during the war.

Japanese lost war against allies of us,china,soviet,uk and more and they left as a result of it,after which only the US refused to leave korea ,installed a puppet regime, and still occupies Korean sovereignty.

Not all people want to be ruled by communists. South Koreans didn't consider the North's invasion as "unification",but as annexation. Same like the majority of people of South Vietnam during the war.

Kim il sung was actually a heroic figure in Korea with overwhelming popularity, before all the CIA media took hold of the south and mainstream narrative,meanwhile Ameirca created and supported their puppets that are no less than terrorist in origin against common will.
The DPRK held an election on August 25, 1948 which unlike the ROK election included South Korean votes as well. 212 deputies were elected by the North, and 360 deputies were elected by the South for the Supreme People's Assembly.The first session of the Supreme People's Assembly was held on September 2, 1948, and based on the election results Kim Il Sung as elected Head of State and Premier of Cabinet.

US military and their enablers brutally quashed any opposition after creating puppet leaders ,wholly trained and funded by Washington,south Korean leaders and their gov isn't natural in origin .It is a disgracefull puppet regime that kept foreign western military on their ancestral land.

Neither the soviets nor the chinese invaded korea and killed 10% of koreans to install a friendly dictator. After liberation it was korean buinesss ,korean civil affair not the US .

 

[Foinikas]

Every government has friends and enemies, but sending troop to intervene another country's civil war is a different story, US also fought a civil war, what would they feel like if another country sending their armies to intervene?


It doesn't matter who they were, it was a national unification war, it also happened multiple times in the Chinese history, no nation likes to stay divided forever.

Do you understand the concept of the Cold War? Two different sides,both trying to expand their influence. The domino theory in Asia? Which happened to be true?

South Korea was a sovereign nation. The North had USSR and China as allies,the South had USA and the non-communist world as allies. North Korea invaded the South. The intervention of USA and the UN was justified.

It doesn't matter who they were, it was a national unification war, it also happened multiple times in the Chinese history, no nation likes to stay divided forever.

Oh it matters A LOT who they were. It was a different ideology,a different political system and way of life. They wanted to impose it to people who didn't want this system. That's not unification,that's annexation.

Japanese lost war against allies of us,china,soviet,uk and more and they left as a result of it,after which only the US refused to leave korea ,installed a puppet regime, and still occupies Korean sovereignty.

USSR installed a puppet regime as well. Communist Korea was the puppet of USSR and PRC.

Kim il sung was actually a heroic figure in Korea with overwhelming popularity, before all the CIA media took hold of the south and mainstream narrative,

Are you a communist Indian? Seriously,tell me.

 

[beijingwalker]

Do you understand the concept of the Cold War? Two different sides,both trying to expand their influence. The domino theory in Asia? Which happened to be true?

South Korea was a sovereign nation. The North had USSR and China as allies,the South had USA and the non-communist world as allies. North Korea invaded the South. The intervention of USA and the UN was justified.


Oh it matters A LOT who they were. It was a different ideology,a different political system and way of life. They wanted to impose it to people who didn't want this system. That's not unification,that's annexation.

China and Russia didn't have troops in North Korea back then, the Koreans themselves should have the final say on what they want or who they want, not you or me or any foreigners, so their issues should be sorted out by themselves. If Greece was divided , would you like me, a Chinese to tell you what you want and who is best for you? would you like us to send troops to keep you divided? US as a foreign force blatantly militarily intervened another country's civil war was the root cause of this mess.

 

[Leishangthem]

Do you understand the concept of the Cold War? Two different sides,both trying to expand their influence. The domino theory in Asia? Which happened to be true?

South Korea was a sovereign nation. The North had USSR and China as allies,the South had USA and the non-communist world as allies. North Korea invaded the South. The intervention of USA and the UN was justified.


Oh it matters A LOT who they were. It was a different ideology,a different political system and way of life. They wanted to impose it to people who didn't want this system. That's not unification,that's annexation.


USSR installed a puppet regime as well. Communist Korea was the puppet of USSR and PRC.


Are you a communist Indian? Seriously,tell me.

If anything,Kim seeked help form Soviets to remove the colonizers but he's no puppet, literally the day after he was elected head of the state ,in 1945,the first thing he did was to requests USSR and US military to withdraw from Korean territory, which the USSR (unlike the US) actually did.Kim was a god like figure in Korea,US had to kill 10 percent of koreans to keep him away from power .
Nothing warrants the death of so many korean ,no matter the system of the governance,this is one of the gravest state sponsored warcrime in human history with no reparation till date.

 

[Foinikas]

China and Russia didn't have troops in North Korea back then, the Koreans themselves should have the final say on what they want or who they want, not you or me or any foreigners, so their issues should be sorted out by themselves. If Greece was divided , would you like me, a Chinese to tell you what you want and who is best for you? would you like us to send troops to keep you divided? US as a foreign force blatantly militarily intervened another country's civil war was the root cause of this mess.

But Greece had a civil war in 1944 and 1946-1949. The communists even wanted to establish their own State in Northern Greece. They received volunteers and aid from Yugoslavia,Bulgaria and Albania. Stalin,however was true to his word to Churchill and didn't get involved.

And we did have British and American help,that we requested. And eventually beat the communist guerillas.

North Korea invaded the South. That's the truth. Don't try to excuse them saying they wanted to "reunify" the country. They invaded a sovereign State during the Cold War and therefore,their allies intervened. You guys ended up sending troops to China,so you actually did get involved in the war,choosing a side and supporting it.

If anything,Kim seeked help form Soviets to remove the colonizers but he's no puppet, literally the day after he was elected head of the state ,in 1945,the first thing he did was to requests USSR and US military to withdraw from Korean territory, which the USSR (unlike the US) actually did.Kim was a god like figure in Korea,US had to kill 10 percent of koreans to keep him away from power .
Nothing warrants the death of so many korean ,no matter the system of the governance,this is one of the gravest state sponsored warcrime in human history with no reparation till date.

So you're an Indian communist.

 

[beijingwalker]

But Greece had a civil war in 1944 and 1946-1949. The communists even wanted to establish their own State in Northern Greece. They received volunteers and aid from Yugoslavia,Bulgaria and Albania. Stalin,however was true to his word to Churchill and didn't get involved.

And we did have British and American help,that we requested. And eventually beat the communist guerillas.

North Korea invaded the South. That's the truth. Don't try to excuse them saying they wanted to "reunify" the country. They invaded a sovereign State during the Cold War and therefore,their allies intervened. You guys ended up sending troops to China,so you actually did get involved in the war,choosing a side and supporting it.


So you're an Indian communist.

Aid is different from sending troops to fight on the ground, are you ok with foreign powers to impose division of your country on their will? maybe you are, but the whole nation probably is not.
Again, China didn't send in troops untill US pushed all the way to the very border of China and shelled and killed Chinese citizens inside China's terroritory, China had to defend herself and sent troops to fight US and pushed them back to the south, after that China pulled all the troops out, but US didn't. the problem of US is they always impose their will on other nations, Korean civil war, good or bad, it's Korean nation's internal affairs, they can fight it out by themselves.
As for "a sovereign State", it's a farce imposed by the foreign powers that Koreans back then didn't accept, they just got their country back from Japan after 50 years colonization, what they wanted was a Independent Korea reborn. If foreign troops take part of Greece and declare it's "a sovereign State", do you think the majority of the Greek nation will accept that? Koreans can solve them internal issues by themselves, they did many times before in the history, what makes you believe you Greek can make decisions for them?

 

[Foinikas]

Again, China didn't send in troops untill US pushed all the way to the very border of China and shelled and killed Chinese citizens inside China's terroritory, China had to defend herself and sent troops to fight US and pushed them back to the south, after that China pulled all the troops out, but US didn't. the problem of US is they always impose their will on other nations, Korean civil war, good or bad, it's Korean nation's internal affairs, they can fight it out by themselves.

And communists don't impose their ideology and politics on other nations? They forcefully tried to take over Vietnam,they forcefully took over South Vietnam,Cambodia,Laos. They imposed their own governments in Eastern Europe. They banned any opposition. They funded and supported communist revolutions and guerilla movements in other countries.

No sir,the Free World wasn't going to let South Korea fall. They wanted to help them defend against communist expansion and that's what they did. The North invaded. Stop excusing them. Do you also believe that all these hundreds of thousands of Chinese who went to Korea,were "volunteers"? Sure there were some thousands of volunteers probably. But 900,000 in total?

200,000 in the first attack? All volunteers? You believe that?