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In fact, what the private arbitrators, or members, say is irrelevant. The irrelevancy has been proven tens of times. China did not pay them, hence, the private court spoke the where their mouth was.

China does not feed all mouths. Only those that matter.

Who was going to stop China's island Genesis programs? Martians?
Why did you fail to buy the PCA when you had the chance? Now it is too late. The verdict is out there. No matter how loud you are crying now.

We explore oil and gas, we expand and build up our islands too. Wait for 10 years from now, we will build second Vietnam in the SC sea. All within China 9-dash line. What can you do against our undertaking? Writing more China peaceful rise articles?
 
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Why did you fail to buy the PCA when you had the chance? Now it is too late. The verdict is out there. No matter how loud you are crying now.

We explore oil and gas, we expand and build up our islands too. Wait for 10 years from now, we will build second Vietnam in the SC sea. All within China 9-dash line. What can you do against our undertaking? Writing more China peaceful rise articles?

It's a great suggestion, i hope VN takes your advice because that will give China the perfect excuse to open fire. Go ahead just do it.
 
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It's a great suggestion, i hope VN takes your advice because that will give China the perfect excuse to open fire. Go ahead just do it.
Bad news for you. In case you haven't noticed Vietnam always follows Chinese development path, be culture and custom, be political or economic, be island genesis program or military modernization. We are the second country after Ming China that produced and deployed fire arms. We are your twin brother. You don't want to open fire on someone that copies the greatness of China?

If I want to know what will happen in VN, I just read Chinese news.

Hope peace will forever prevail between our nations.
 
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Why did you fail to buy the PCA when you had the chance? Now it is too late. The verdict is out there. No matter how loud you are crying now.

Because China is a big developing nation and it does not have an extra $30 million to feed members of the private PCA and private expert contractors.

Ignoring has been cheaper. Besides, the private court verdict by the paid members has been used by China in a strategic way. I, as an IR student, enjoy post-Arbitration SCS more than pre-Arbitration SCS.

We explore oil and gas, we expand and build up our islands too. Wait for 10 years from now, we will build second Vietnam in the SC sea. All within China 9-dash line. What can you do against our undertaking? Writing more China peaceful rise articles?

Then you will continue to prove our point: That your country has never been sincere. In fact, it was Duterte that realized this first and he made a U-turn to China to outdone Vietnam. I do not think your complaints are being taken seriously in the ASEAN, anymore.

You build, China builds. Outcome cannot be hidden, after all. The for-profit arbitration company's verdict has worked miraculously so far.
 
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EXCLUSIVE: Hunting ancient and modern treasures of South China Sea!
Xinhua's Wang Jingzhong tells his own story.

Woow ....What will happen with PRC if PH win the war ....:flame:
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Duterte says China's Xi threatened war if Philippines drills for oil
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MANILA: Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said on Friday (May 19) Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping had warned him there would be war if Manila tried to enforce an arbitration ruling and drill for oil in a disputed part of the South China Sea.

In remarks that could infuriate China, Duterte hit back at domestic critics who said he has gone soft on Beijing by refusing to push it to comply with an award last year by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, which ruled largely in favor of the Philippines.

Duterte said he discussed it with Xi when the two met in Beijing on Monday, and got a firm, but friendly warning.
"We intend to drill oil there, if it's yours, well, that's your view, but my view is, I can drill the oil, if there is some inside the bowels of the earth because it is ours," Duterte said in a speech, recalling his conversation with Xi.

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"His response to me, 'we're friends, we don't want to quarrel with you, we want to maintain the presence of warm relationship, but if you force the issue, we'll go to war."

Duterte has long expressed his admiration for Xi and said he would raise the arbitration ruling with him eventually, but needed first to strengthen relations between the two countries, which the Philippines is hoping will yield billions of dollars in Chinese loans and infrastructure investments.

The Hague award clarifies Philippine sovereign rights in its 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone to access offshore oil and gas fields, including the Reed Bank, 85 nautical miles off its coast.

It also invalidated China's nine-dash line claim on its maps denoting sovereignty over most of the South China Sea.

Duterte has a reputation for his candid, at times incendiary, remarks and his office typically backpeddles on his behalf and blames the media for distorting his most controversial comments.

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Duterte recalled the same story about his discussion with Xi on oil exploration in a recorded television show aired moments after the speech.

He said Xi told him "do not touch it".

He said Xi had promised that the arbitration ruling would be discussed in future, but not now.

Duterte said China did not want to bring up the arbitral ruling at a time when other claimant countries, like Vietnam, might also decide to file cases against it at the arbitration tribunal.

It was not the first time the firebrand leader has publicly discussed the content of private meetings with other world leaders.

His remarks came the same day that China and the Philippines held their first session in a two-way consultation process on the South China Sea.

They exchanged views on "the importance of appropriately handling concerns, incidents and disputes involving the South China Sea", the Chinese Foreign Ministry said in a statement that gave few details.

Source: Reuters/mn
Read more at http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapa...lls-for-8865896

The Singaporean government's controlled mouthpiece (mainly in broadcast/visual media), The Channel News Asia, like its sibling in printed media, The Strait Times, is just another extension of the Western-controlled army of trumpets so-called the mainstream media (MSM), a captured media regularly pushes forward the propaganda piece of the major news disseminator owned by Rothschild family from their base in London (the world's oldest financial enclave of the City of London), The Thomson Reuters, Reuters is its news arm.

Why did you fail to buy the PCA when you had the chance? Now it is too late. The verdict is out there. No matter how loud you are crying now.

We explore oil and gas, we expand and build up our islands too. Wait for 10 years from now, we will build second Vietnam in the SC sea. All within China 9-dash line. What can you do against our undertaking? Writing more China peaceful rise articles?
By 2030 (put in additional 10 years if deferred in any case) the South China Sea questions will be solved once and for all!

Just live up and witness by then!! :D:P

proof I copied and pasted PCA website!

China signs the Haugue convention, but does not respect it. China signs UNCLOS, but does not respect it, either. the people outside China laugh at your logic, signing to international treaties but rejecting to follow the rules, citing ancient texts and hear-saying dating back thousand years ago nobody can check.
Just a blatant lie or misinformation piece!

CHINA SIGNED UNCLOS with very clear attached clause that UNCLOS will have NO jurisdiction over SOVEREIGNTY ISSUES in the South China Sea

The mainstream media aka. The Fake News manufacturer conveniently drop this part in their news! And you quoted them religiously.

At the end some stupid Asian country may very well push China to eventually adopt the method of the Uncle Sam, namely to talk with military muscle (bombing first, ask question or negotiate later) instead of using the civilized persuasive way!
 
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EXCLUSIVE: Hunting ancient and modern treasures of South China Sea!
Xinhua's Wang Jingzhong tells his own story.



The Singaporean government's controlled mouthpiece (mainly in broadcast/visual media), The Channel News Asia, like its sibling in printed media, The Strait Times, is just another extension of the Western-controlled army of trumpets so-called the mainstream media (MSM), a captured media regularly pushes forward the propaganda piece of the major news disseminator owned by Rothschild family from their base in London (the world's oldest financial enclave of the City of London), The Thomson Reuters, Reuters is its news arm.


By 2030 (put in additional 10 years if deferred in any case) the South China Sea questions will be solved once and for all!

Just live up and witness by then!! :D:P


Just a blatant lie or misinformation piece!

CHINA SIGNED UNCLOS with very clear attached clause that UNCLOS will have NO jurisdiction over SOVEREIGNTY ISSUES in the South China Sea

The mainstream media aka. The Fake News manufacturer conveniently drop this part in their news! And you quoted them religiously.

At the end some stupid Asian country may very well push China to eventually adopt the method of the Uncle Sam, namely to talk with military muscle (bombing first, ask question or negotiate later) instead of using the civilized persuasive way!
You sound as funny as other Chinese warmongering nationalists. 2030 you are ready? Listen little boy, in 5 years the aliens of the planet Pluto will invade China and make you to slave. Pls don't bother other people with insulting and threatening (stupid asians hence the need to copy America), do when you are ready. We will be ready too.
You apparently don't read Unclos. Chinese declarations bear no meaning.
 
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You sound as funny as other Chinese warmongering nationalists. 2030 you are ready? Listen little boy, in 5 years the aliens of the planet Pluto will invade China and make you to slave. Pls don't bother other people with insulting and threatening (stupid asians hence the need to copy America), do when you are ready. We will be ready too.
You apparently don't read Unclos. Chinese declarations bear no meaning.
Talk as much rubbish as you wish, the fact and reality will do the final say! Just wait and see whose belief will turn into fact :D you bet on Vietnam while I bet on China :P ha ha ha

Meanwhile in realities...

 
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The Singaporean government's controlled mouthpiece (mainly in broadcast/visual media), The Channel News Asia, like its sibling in printed media, The Strait Times, is just another extension of the Western-controlled army of trumpets so-called the mainstream media (MSM), a captured media regularly pushes forward the propaganda piece of the major news disseminator owned by Rothschild family from their base in London (the world's oldest financial enclave of the City of London), The Thomson Reuters, Reuters is its news arm.
Unfortunately, you are correct.
 
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In the South China Sea, the U.S. is Struggling to Halt Beijing’s Advance

Despite a belated U.S. naval patrol, Beijing’s bid to extend its military power over the South China Sea is moving ahead unchecked.

BY DAN DE LUCE, KEITH JOHNSON
MAY 25, 2017
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In the South China Sea, the U.S. is Struggling to Halt Beijing’s Advance
For the first time since President Donald Trump took office, a U.S. warship has sailed near a Chinese-controlled island in the disputed South China Sea, signaling an attempt to project a more assertive American stance against Beijing just before a major regional defense summit.

The mission, a passage by the guided missile destroyer USS Dewey on Wednesday within twelve nautical miles of Mischief Reef, in the Spratly island chain, was long anticipated and delayed. The last such operation took place in October, and U.S. commanders who had already chafed under Barack Obama’s tight leash had hoped to get a freer hand and to carry out more patrols under Trump.

Instead, the new administration has declined several requests from the military to carry out naval patrols in the disputed waterway. Eager to secure China’s help in pressuring North Korea over its nuclear weapons program, the White House has moved cautiously and chosen not to confront Beijing over the South China Sea, officials and congressional aides told Foreign Policy.

But with defense ministers and senior military officers from across Asia due to meet in Singapore next month, including U.S. Defense Secretary James Mattis, the administration needed to show it was willing to back up its words with some action and demonstrate that it would uphold the principle of freedom of navigation, experts said.

“This was a good, albeit overdue, move by the Trump Administration,” said Ely Ratner, formerly deputy national security adviser to Joe Biden and now at the Council on Foreign Relations.

It was the first time a U.S. warship had sailed within the twelve-mile limit of any Chinese-held feature — a way to show that Washington doesn’t buy Beijing’s claims that rocks generate a territorial sea, and so push back against China’s expansionist claims. “This was the big one folks were waiting for,” he said.

And while those so-called freedom of navigation operations, or FONOPS, by themselves don’t amount to a U.S. strategy to deal with the South China Sea, he said, the first step is to make sure that China can’t unilaterally fence off bits of international waters. “FONOPs are an essential part of that,” Ratner said.

During the campaign and early days of the administration, Trump and his deputies staked out a tough line on China. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson suggested in his confirmation hearings that U.S. forces would actually try to expel China from disputed waters and islets it now claims.

But North Korea and its rapidly-expanding missile and nuclear weapons program have grabbed the attention of the Trump administration, pushing the disputes over the Chinese land grab in the South China Sea — and Beijing’s open militarization of many islets and atolls — to the back burner. Trump has toned down his rhetoric on trade disputes and other spats with China specifically to secure Beijing’s cooperation in defusing the North Korea crisis.

“The president and his advisers have calculated that if we are to get China’s help on North Korea, better to take the foot off the gas on more contentious issues,” said Mira Rapp-Hooper, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security.

Even though as a candidate Trump portrayed former president Barack Obama as a weak president in his dealings with China and other adversaries, his administration’s cautious diplomacy bears some resemblance to Obama’s policies, as the previous White House concluded that more could be gained from Beijing by avoiding a full-blown confrontation over the South China Sea or other disputes.

Much to the consternation of U.S. allies in Asia, the Trump White House has yet to fill senior positions at the State Department and the Pentagon handling Asia policy, and has said little about the South China Sea issue publicly. The uncertainty over the administration’s policy on China has alarmed America’s partners and weakened the resolve of some governments in Southeast Asia, who fear Washington will no longer back them up if they try to take on Beijing in the South China Sea.

At a meeting last month in Manila of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, government ministers from the region backed off of references to “land reclamation and militarization” after lobbying from China.

The Pentagon sought to downplay the significance of the operation, which it described as routine. Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, described the passage at an event in Washington Thursday as “not confrontational,” and said that the so-called freedom of navigation operations by U.S. ships receive exaggerated scrutiny for the supposed diplomatic messages they convey.

“They sure get a lot of attention when they happen,” he said, but the operations are routinely conducted all over the world without the fanfare associated with the South China Sea missions.

The operations sure get a lot of attention in China.

The Dewey’s patrol “undermined China’s sovereignty and security interests and is highly likely to cause untoward incidents in the waters and airspace,” a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson said Thursday.

Citing China’s “indisputable sovereignty” over those islets and surrounding waters, he added: “We strongly urge the U.S. side to correct its wrongdoing and stop any provocative actions detrimental to China’s sovereignty and security interests so as to avoid any further damage to China-US cooperation and regional peace and stability.”

And such operations are also closely watched in Washington, rightly or wrongly, as a barometer of the administration’s willingness to push back against China. Amid growing concern in Congress that the Trump administration is making strategic concessions to China in hopes of persuading Beijing to shift its stance on North Korea, several senators from both sides of the aisle wrote a letter earlier this month urging the administration to show resolve in the South China Sea and conduct more frequent naval patrols in the waterway.

The first real test of the effect of Wednesday’s naval mission will come in early June at the Shangri-La dialogue, a large annual gathering in Singapore that serves as a venue for high-level talks on crucial matters of Asian security.

Many maritime experts view the focus on freedom of navigation operations, and how they are publicly presented, as misplaced.

“In my view, the publicity around the FONOPs is problematic. Many observers now view it as an indicator of U.S. resolve, which it is not,” said M. Taylor Fravel, an expert on Chinese maritime issues at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Such missions are merely meant to uphold traditional rights to navigation in international waters for all countries, he said. What’s more, they can give Beijing an excuse to ramp up its own provocative behavior, feeling as if its claims of sovereignty are being challenged.

“They were never intended to do more, such as deterring China’s broader ambitions in places like the South China Sea.”

Ultimately, and despite the belated U.S. mission near Mischief Reef, Washington has few tools at its disposal to convince China to retreat from its years-long acquisition and garrisoning of a spate of tiny reefs and atolls in the South China Sea, one of the world’s busiest waterways. Some experts and lawmakers have urged imposing economic sanctions on Chinese companies taking part in the vast island-building project, but the Trump administration has shown no sign it is ready to consider such a move.

Since it began dredging sand from the seafloor to vastly expand the size of those pinpricks of coral in 2014, China has built airfields, deep harbors and air defense systems on many features and deployed advanced fighter jets, despite promises to stop militarizing the area.

The bid to extend its reach in the waterway is part of China’s much broader effort — backed up with an arsenal of missiles — to push out its defensive perimeter from the Chinese coast and keep potential rivals at arm’s length in the event of a conflict.


“The United States does not have great options in the South China Sea,” Fravel said. “China will not vacate the features it occupies and the United States will not forcibly remove them. “

China’s project has moved at a brisk pace, with reports of new military installations appearing every few weeks. Earlier this month, a state-run Chinese paper said that Beijing had installed 155 mm rocket launchers on Fiery Cross reef in the Spratlys, purportedly to deter combat divers from Vietnam, which has been at loggerheads with China over territorial claims in the South China Sea.

“They basically succeeded in their construction projects, and are now well on their way to having floating bases out in the Spratly Islands, and there’s been really very little pushback and they’ve had to pay very little cost for doing so,” said Rapp-Hooper.

She added: “It is, unfortunately, now game over.”


https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/2...e-u-s-is-struggling-to-halt-beijings-advance/
 
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The US does not hold the cards, China does. For the DPRK situation China is THE KEY, that's the kind of importance China is: our direct involvement. Without China US can forget about diplomatic solution. Pissing China off in SCS definitely won't help. SCS is not US core interest, DPRK nuclear missile program is way more important than that so it was no surprise regarding Trump's reluctance playing hardball with China. If he chose to do so things would get ugly, China can easily supply our neighbor the required necessities :devil: , having amnesia in regard to sanctions and what not. Whether Fat Kim listens or ignores China's calls that's beyond us, China remains the center of the solution nevertheless.

Right now China has kept on winning, we expanded our islands, militarized them despite US objections :rofl:
Like i said what's the US gonna do about it? What the US is now doing with the latest FONOP is trying to convince Vietnam, PH, Malay that US is "committed" in this region on their behalf. Will they believe it? :no:
 
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Right now China has kept on winning, we expanded our islands, militarized them despite US objections

You are wrong! US is winning!! Hear what the weirdo says:

"We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you'll say, "Please, please. It's too much winning. We can't take it anymore. Mr. President, it's too much." And I'll say, "No, it isn't!""

:p:
 
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China's Sansha gets remote diagnosis facilities
(Xinhua) 20:57, May 27, 2017

SANSHA, May 27 (Xinhua) -- China's newest city, Sansha, in the South China Sea, has received remote diagnosis facilities, enabling fishermen and other locals to consult experienced doctors in distant better-equipped hospitals.

The facilities include a high-definition video conferencing system, a picture archiving and communications system, and portable electrocardiography monitors.

The equipment, donated by the Second Affiliated Hospital of Zhejiang University School of Medicine, arrived at Sansha People's Hospital Friday.

"Sansha's health care system is starting from scratch. Internet technology brings high-quality health care in developed regions to us," said Zhuang Zhongjun, a Hainan Province health official.

Trials of long-distance diagnosis have been conducted, connecting a makeshift clinic on a boat with a doctors' office in the Zhejiang hospital. About 20 fishermen consulted doctors on their symptoms ranging from itching skin to a sore neck.

It has been well received, but the weak Internet connection sometimes causes disruptions.

Wang Jian'an, president of the Zhejiang hospital, said his hospital would regularly send doctors to Sansha to complement the distance medical service and to boost disease prevention.

China set up the Sansha municipality in 2012. The city government is located on Yongxing Island, the largest island of the Xisha Islands in the South China Sea.
 
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The Economist explains What a new agreement means for the South China Sea
China and ASEAN agree on a “framework” for a code of conduct
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The Economist explains
May 30th 2017
by J.F. | SINGAPORE

THE long-running dispute between China and its rivals in the South China Sea centres on an apparently insoluble conflict: China’s maritime claims overlap with those of Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam. Nobody wants to go to war; nobody wants to back down.
To reduce the chances of armed conflict and give all claimants a chance to save face, the countries have ostensibly been negotiating a set of rules designed to regulate behaviour and manage tensions for decades.
The idea was first mooted by the Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN) in the late 1990s, after China's seizure in 1995 of a Philippine-claimed reef; since then, negotiations have proceeded haltingly. But on May 18th the two sides agreed on a framework for a “code of conduct”. It will be presented to foreign ministers in August, and will form the basis for future negotiations. Both sides congratulated themselves on their progress. But will it amount to anything?
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If history is a guide, there is every reason to be pessimistic. In a “Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea”, signed in 2002, China and ASEAN promised “co-operation” and “self-restraint”, recognised “the need to promote a peaceful, friendly and harmonious environment” and said they would abide by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), and work towards a code of conduct.

Nine years later, the two sides agreed to a vague set of guidelines to implement the declaration. And in July 2016 China agreed to expedite talks about a code of conduct—a decision some suspect was driven by the election of Rodrigo Duterte to the presidency of the Philippines. Mr Duterte’s predecessor, Benigno Aquino, had filed a case against China with an international tribunal in The Hague, accusing it of violating UNCLOS. The tribunal ruled in favour of the Philippines. But Mr Duterte, far more favourably disposed towards China than Mr Aquino, offered to “set aside” the ruling.

Hence this framework, which they concocted in record time. Its text has not (yet) been leaked. A draft version from March talked about “promot[ing] mutual trust”, a “duty to co-operate” and “self-restraint”. The 2002 Declaration used similar phrases, which failed to restrain anybody—least of all China, which set about building artificial, apparently military-ready islands in disputed waters. Like the Declaration, this framework appears to lack any enforcement mechanisms or consequences for violating any of the (potential) code’s terms. That seems to suit all parties, who claim to want peace and stability, but not to have their freedom circumscribed. This framework lets China look co-operative without having to constrain its behaviour; and it gives ASEAN bureaucrats a sense that their much-vaunted process is producing results.

Assuming the foreign ministers approve the framework in August, another long round of thorny negotiations will begin. Except this time, China gets a friendly leader in the Philippines, one of its main maritime rivals. It also gets Donald Trump, whose unpredictability may rattle the Chinese, but whose mercantile, transactional approach to foreign affairs suits China far better than Barack Obama’s principled defence of a rules-based international order. And it gets rivals sweetened by “One Belt, One Road” infrastructure investment, and unsettled by America’s sudden disarray. In other words, this agreement lets China consolidate its gains with minimal interference and a veneer of good regional citizenship.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/econ.../n/n/Daily_Dispatch/email&etear=dailydispatch
 
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近期,越南渔船频频出现在生产平台周围,要么把缆绳挂靠到平台桩腿;要么在平台附近排污;要么开着船围绕平台转,白天黑夜乐此不疲。已经严重影响到平台的正常安全生产,平台任何劝说喊话都不起作用,我们唯有用水炮、拖轮驱赶
Waiting in line for some holy water (niao shui) sincerely
Finally, blessing granted to those believers from the almighty "Middle Kingdom"
Enjoy comrades
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