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I think you are the one mixing some up some history here.

1) No intent: If you check out the negotiations preceeding the Geneva agreement of 1954 pretty much every party refused a division of the country.

2) No ruling: The agreement was over a defacto division of/in the country to seperate zones until elections would decide who would govern the country, not a division into two seperate sovereign states. Different things. With the conclusion of the agreement, there was still just one state of Vietnam.

There is no interpretation room to assume someone might have "intended" a division into two states in the Geneva agreement or in other words signing off the Geneva Agreement implies recognizing and respecting Vietnam as one whole state that is simply just internaly divided. Not like that stops people from trying to make contrary claims.

The later division into the two states of North and South Vietnam(Republic of Vietnam), not just the zones North and South Vietnam as they where known for for about a decade even before the Geneva Agreement 1954, was a consequence of the failure of the Geneva Agreement. Signing off the Geneva Agreement has nothing to do with that anymore.

You have mixed truth of history with the propaganda.

When North Vietnam (VDR) and mainland China (PRC) signed in to Geneva Accords. Automatically, this official international aggreement is binding on you. In fact, Ngô Đình Diệm had taken power as State President in South Vietnam by general referendum in 1955. This is truth of Vietnam History, there was two state were existed in Vietnam from 1954 up to 1975.
 
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Vietnam protests Taiwan’s live-fire drill in Vietnam’s waters
Vietnam resolutely protests against Taiwan (China)’s live-fire drill in waters around Ba Binh in Vietnam’s Truong Sa (Spratly) archipelago and demands that Taiwan not to repeat such activity, stated Foreign Ministry’s Spokesperson Le Hai Binh on March 30.


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Foreign Ministry’s Spokesperson Le Hai Binh



Responding to reporters’ queries on Vietnam’s reaction to Taiwan’s live-fire exercise in Ba Binh waters, Binh declared that the move “seriously violates Vietnam’s sovereignty over Truong Sa archipelago.”

“It also threatens peace, stability and maritime safety and security in the East Sea, while elevating tension and complicating the situation in the waters,” he said.

The spokesperson reiterated that Vietnam has all sufficient historical evidence and legal foundation proving the country’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa archipelagoes.

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You have mixed truth of history with the propaganda.

When North Vietnam (VDR) and mainland China (PRC) signed in to Geneva Accords. Automatically, this official international aggreement is binding on you. In fact, Ngô Đình Diệm had taken power as State President in South Vietnam by general referendum in 1955. This is truth of Vietnam History, there was two state were existed in Vietnam from 1954 up to 1975.

In Vietnam History many things happend after the Geneva Accords. That doesnt mean China signed off everything with the Geneva Accords. I never said anything about the validity of the signature per se nor denied that later on two states existed, I actually explained that. Stop missconstruing the post I made like some propaganda drone.

In simple words again, because you just keep parotting the same false "facts":
The Genevaa Accords agreement 1945 did not partition Vietnam into two states, nor did the signatories intend to do so, the partition was two zones in one state. The two states came to be after the agreement was made, not because but in defiance and contradiction of what was agreed upon. You entire argument fails on this point. Hence **** your dishonest claim that China signed off whatever you want.

Read my previous post before you deny it again. Im not going to run in circles and repeat myself endlessly to refute you claims.
 
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In Vietnam History many things happend after the Geneva Accords. That doesnt mean China signed off everything with the Geneva Accords. I never said anything about the validity of the signature per se nor denied that later on two states existed, I actually explained that. Stop missconstruing the post I made like some propaganda drone.

In simple words again, because you just keep parotting the same false "facts":
The Genevaa Accords agreement 1945 did not partition Vietnam into two states, nor did the signatories intend to do so, the partition was two zones in one state. The two states came to be after the agreement was made, not because but in defiance and contradiction of what was agreed upon. You entire argument fails on this point. Hence **** your dishonest claim that China signed off whatever you want.

Read my previous post before you deny it again. Im not going to run in circles and repeat myself endlessly to refute you claims.

Vietnam is one country but was divided in two zone or two part, is the same. The first Vietnam war (1946-1954) is the fighting between Communists (Việt Minh - Vietnam Democratic Republic goverment headed by Hồ Chí Minh) and Nationalists (State of Vietnam goverment, headed by former Nguyen Dynasty Vietnam's Emperor Bảo Đại as President) with direct military interference of France Goverment.

Its reported that in Genava Conference 1954, China (PRC) is invited. And China for yourselves, on June 23, Mendès France secretly met with Zhou Enlai at the French Embassy in Bern, Zhou outlined the Chinese position that an immediate ceasefire was required, the three nations should be treated separately (Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam), and recognition that two governments existed in Vietnam.

China PRC and Vietnam VDR had signed in Geneva Accord Agreement dated 7 April 1954. China was known well about the true history. There was two part of Vietnam is existed with two different goverment, is governed in two separated territory, with border line at Pararell 17 at Benhai river, from 1954 to 1975. it does mean that in the time, there is two state was in Vietnam, like the situation in Korea now.

link here: Logevall, Fredrik (2012). Embers of War: The Fall of an Empire and the Making of America's Vietnam. random House
 
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The USA thinks our south sea is a place to show his power.
He perhaps also knows it is a stage for he to perform the last ballet.

The communiqué included in Shanghai 1972, when was an important diplomatic document issued by the ÚSA and China PRC on February 28, 1972 during President Nixon's visit to China. The US and China also agreed that neither they nor any other power should "seek hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region".

China invaded in to Paracel 1974 and 1988, and also made artifact íslands there. China is violated the agreement dated 1972 to seek hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region.
 
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The communiqué included in Shanghai 1972, when was an important diplomatic document issued by the ÚSA and China PRC on February 28, 1972 during President Nixon's visit to China. The US and China also agreed that neither they nor any other power should "seek hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region".

China invaded in to Paracel 1974 and 1988, and also made artifact íslands there. China is violated the agreement dated 1972 to seek hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region.
The pot is calling kettle black, as an example, Spratly Island, Vietnam rob it over from Taiwan in 1973, start building "artificial island" to enlarge the size.
 
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The USA thinks our south sea is a place to show his power.
He perhaps also knows it is a stage for he to perform the last ballet.
So why not your mighty PLA NAVY stop US Navy in south china sea? ?!! LOLs......
We know that china navy don't have the ball againts monsterous US Navy, china only dare bullying small country such as the phillipine and Vietnam...
China military says aware of U.S. carrier in South China Sea

China's defense ministry said on Thursday it was aware of the presence of a U.S. aircraft carrier strike group in the South China Sea and China respected freedom of navigation for all countries in the waters there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-so...-idUSKBN1620YO
 
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The South China Sea: From reef to island

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BUILD, BUILD...
either for civilian facilities or for defense purposes or for both....

This is the only thing that matters, how to develop those islands/islets/atolls... to fill in, give the substances, make use and grow those beautiful, pristine resources into something beneficial, inhabitable, and of course :enjoy: defendable possessions, just imagine on some unsinkable giant carriers!

China has all the needed resources, technology, money, capabilities and strong will to turn those islands / islets / atolls in the South China Sea into the new lively paradises and strongholds... that not even The Empire is able to interfere and obstruct... aside from those hollow words exchanges or at most having some warship fleet showdowns [for the time being only; there will be time even such superficial showdown will be too costly]...while it's loitering there burning out gases and vigors China keeps on building, quietly... :P the rest are merely noises across the giant waves of the South China Sea.
 
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The “strategic triangle” that would allow Beijing to control the South China Sea
"We got you all covered" :china:

Yoji Koda, a former vice admiral in the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, wrote in the journal Asia Policy in January that the strategic triangle “could be a game changer in regional power relations.”
On a map it showed a ring around each point of the triangle, showing the approximate range of Chinese fighter jets. The overlapping rings easily cover most of the South China Sea (note that Woody Island below is part of the Paracels):
The triangle could also help China with establishing an air defense identification zone (ADIZ) over the sea, requiring foreign aircraft to notify Chinese authorities in advance of flights.
https://qz.com/775382/all-eyes-are-...allow-beijing-to-control-the-south-china-sea/

被称为“南沙铁三角”的永暑礁、渚碧礁、美济礁,已建成大型机场,都是3000米跑道的大型机场,可起降远程战斗机和大型轰炸机。三者互为犄角,又可同时向周边覆盖。
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US Navy deploys Surface Action Group to Western Pacific

April 2, 2017 Joel Dizon World 0

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The United States Navy Third Fleet has deployed a two-warship Sterett-Dewey Surface Action Group (Sterett-Dewey SAG) March 31 to Western Pacific. The SAG has departed San Diego.

“The command staff of Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 31 and the guided-missile destroyers USS Sterett (DDG 104) and USS Dewey (DDG 105) will deploy with the embarked helicopter detachments from Helicopter Maritime Squadron (HSM) 49 and HSM 78,” 3rd Fleet Public Affairs said.

Though the Western Pacific is under US Navy Seventh Fleet area of operations, the Sterett-Dewey SAG will remain under the control of Third Fleet. Both Seventh and Third fleets are under US Navy Pacific Fleet.

“Third Fleet operating forward offers additional options to the Pacific Fleet commander by leveraging the capabilities of 3rd and 7th Fleets,” 3rd Fleet Public Affairs said. This will complement both numbered fleets.

The Third Fleet last year a 3-warship Surface Action Group which included USS Spruance (DDG 111), USS Decatur (DDG 73) and USS Momsen (DDG 92).

“We are building upon the successes and applying the lessons learned from the inaugural PACSAG deployment,” said Capt. David A. Bretz, commander, DESRON 31. “The value of a SAG cannot be overstated. We are ready and able to support a variety of exercises and missions with our partners and allies in support of maritime stability and security in the Western Pacific.”
http://www.update.ph/2017/04/us-navy-deploys-surface-action-group-to-western-pacific/16391
 
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So why not your mighty PLA NAVY stop US Navy in south china sea? ?!! LOLs......
We know that china navy don't have the ball againts monsterous US Navy, china only dare bullying small country such as the phillipine and Vietnam...
China military says aware of U.S. carrier in South China Sea

China's defense ministry said on Thursday it was aware of the presence of a U.S. aircraft carrier strike group in the South China Sea and China respected freedom of navigation for all countries in the waters there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-so...-idUSKBN1620YO

You are all right.
Because you are Singapore, knowing nothing about strategy.


The communiqué included in Shanghai 1972, when was an important diplomatic document issued by the ÚSA and China PRC on February 28, 1972 during President Nixon's visit to China. The US and China also agreed that neither they nor any other power should "seek hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region".

China invaded in to Paracel 1974 and 1988, and also made artifact íslands there. China is violated the agreement dated 1972 to seek hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region.

We talk about this with you guys just because our carriers are still in the plan and dock.
If you don't like to respect the history, then solution is simple.

US Navy deploys Surface Action Group to Western Pacific

April 2, 2017 Joel Dizon World 0

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The United States Navy Third Fleet has deployed a two-warship Sterett-Dewey Surface Action Group (Sterett-Dewey SAG) March 31 to Western Pacific. The SAG has departed San Diego.

“The command staff of Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 31 and the guided-missile destroyers USS Sterett (DDG 104) and USS Dewey (DDG 105) will deploy with the embarked helicopter detachments from Helicopter Maritime Squadron (HSM) 49 and HSM 78,” 3rd Fleet Public Affairs said.

Though the Western Pacific is under US Navy Seventh Fleet area of operations, the Sterett-Dewey SAG will remain under the control of Third Fleet. Both Seventh and Third fleets are under US Navy Pacific Fleet.

“Third Fleet operating forward offers additional options to the Pacific Fleet commander by leveraging the capabilities of 3rd and 7th Fleets,” 3rd Fleet Public Affairs said. This will complement both numbered fleets.

The Third Fleet last year a 3-warship Surface Action Group which included USS Spruance (DDG 111), USS Decatur (DDG 73) and USS Momsen (DDG 92).

“We are building upon the successes and applying the lessons learned from the inaugural PACSAG deployment,” said Capt. David A. Bretz, commander, DESRON 31. “The value of a SAG cannot be overstated. We are ready and able to support a variety of exercises and missions with our partners and allies in support of maritime stability and security in the Western Pacific.”
http://www.update.ph/2017/04/us-navy-deploys-surface-action-group-to-western-pacific/16391


The us navy is very powerful, so that some people keep dreaming of old master coming back to rule themselves again.

Paracel and Spratly is territory of Vietnam from long time ago in past, is under control of Nguyễn warlords of Vietnam from year 1600s... Taiwan robed Itu Aba from South Vietnam in 1956.

That's right. Same as Vietnam was part of china for such a long time.

When both China (PRC) and North Vietnam (VDR) had signed in to Geneva Accord Agreement in 1954, the administrate right of VDR is automatically limited at 17th Pararell at Bến Hải river. In South Vietnam, is under controlled and governed by President Bảo Đại (Vietnam State), later on Ngo Dinh Diem In 1955, Diệm called for a referendum to remove Bảo Đại and establish a Republic Vietnam with Diệm as president, and also with different Law and Constitution, govenor administrate sýstem in South Vietnam, from southern òf 17th Pararall. This ís truth of Vietnam History, my Friend.

So why, in the letter dated 1958, the North Vietnam PM had intentionally skip Hoang Sa and Truong Sa name from his statement (Island does belong to South Vietnam in time 1954 -1975) in his diplomtaic letter.

Declaration òf independence Vietnam ís still valid up to nơw aday, Vietnamese people have fight in new battle (diplomatically) counter all foreigner occupation in our sea territory with Taiwan (ROC) and Mainland China (PRC) and partly by Phil.

Pls don't twisted mỏre about nature òf the diplomatic latter dated 1958, my friend.

Without China, there weren't north Vietnam, and any boring agreements. Just a USA colony in Asia.

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Vietnam protests Taiwan’s live-fire drill in Vietnam’s waters
Vietnam resolutely protests against Taiwan (China)’s live-fire drill in waters around Ba Binh in Vietnam’s Truong Sa (Spratly) archipelago and demands that Taiwan not to repeat such activity, stated Foreign Ministry’s Spokesperson Le Hai Binh on March 30.


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Foreign Ministry’s Spokesperson Le Hai Binh



Responding to reporters’ queries on Vietnam’s reaction to Taiwan’s live-fire exercise in Ba Binh waters, Binh declared that the move “seriously violates Vietnam’s sovereignty over Truong Sa archipelago.”

“It also threatens peace, stability and maritime safety and security in the East Sea, while elevating tension and complicating the situation in the waters,” he said.

The spokesperson reiterated that Vietnam has all sufficient historical evidence and legal foundation proving the country’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa archipelagoes.

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If you like, you can protest everyday.
It saves money.

Well, the link posted the list of countries and the map, but there was a whole article to it. Many of the countries that supported China did not support China fully but only in some respects. Here is the article.

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The South China Sea arbitration case has elicited almost unanimous public opposition in China. Besides this, it has been reported that 66 countries worldwide have endorsed China’s position on the South China Sea. Yet that figure also caused controversy, especially in the United States.

According to our team’s research, we have found at least 70 countries supporting China’s position on various occasions. We find that the reason for the controversy over the figure comes down to different definitions on “China’s position.” But no matter how it is defined, the psychology behind these statements is a desire to avoid taking sides between China and the United States, showing the reality of a fundamental global consensus on peace and wide-spread anxiety toward the potential for conflict in the South China Sea. Thus, we should take every opportunity to go beyond the “zero-sum game” in order to maintain peace in the South China Sea, to seek Asia-Pacific economic cooperation, and to make the “cake” bigger using economic and financial means.

How many countries support China’s South China Sea position?

There is no doubt that Chinese almost unanimously support their government’s official position on the South China Sea, shown by the firestorm of social media comments soon after the award. Moreover, China’s position is also welcomed and understood by other countries. According to the Chinese government and media, nearly 100 parties from more than 60 countries declared their support for China’s position on the South China Sea issue. China Daily counted 66 countries, as shown in the map below.

The figure, however, encountered doubts from American media and think tanks. The Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative argued that the real number was only ten. We personally also received emails expressing similar doubts.

Considering such a huge gap in the count, our research team at the international studies department of Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies, Renmin University of China (RDCY), sought to verify on our own by conducting an independent count. We explored the issue by extensively searching the internet, and then looked for original sources including media reports, official statements, diplomatic documents, and talking points. We also searched the Chinese foreign affairs database, Xinhua‘s news and multimedia database, and our news citation system with data from various sources such as Bloomberg and Reuters to verify.

Strikingly, we identified 70 countries that have expressed their support for China’s position, even more than reported by Chinese media. In addition, the League of Arab States and Shanghai Cooperation Organization are also in line with China. (We have listed the countries and sourced all of the statements, with the date of issue, in the appendix below). It is said some others privately expressed support to China according to our global network, but we only counted the countries that went on record. It is also possible that our team may have miss some countries that are supporting China.

Why is there such a big gap in the number?

One reason is quite obvious: some of these statements of support are not available in English. They are expressed and available in Chinese, French, Spanish, Arabic, Swahili, Khmer, or other languages. Therefore, some analysts in the English-speaking world may have merely failed to find them.

More importantly, though, the discrepancy has something to do with the essence of “China’s position.” Simply put, we suppose most American media and think tanks have not yet understood what “China’s position” means. In our view, China’s position on the South China Sea issue can be interpreted as below:

1. China does not participate in the arbitration, nor accept, recognize, or implement the award.
2. China will adhere to peaceful negotiations and settlements of the South China Sea dispute.
3. While disputes should be settled by the parties directly concerned in accordance with the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC), China will work with ASEAN countries to maintain peace and stability in this region.
4. The temporally-established (ad hoc) arbitral tribunal is neither a part of the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) nor the International Court of Justice (ICJ). It does not have jurisdiction over the territorial disputes, which is the core of the arbitration. The arbitration itself is flawed in procedure. Thus, the award is not legally-binding, nor representing international law.

To directly support any of those components is to support China’s position. On the contrary, those countries that openly endorse the arbitral tribunal as affiliated to PCA and assert China should recognize and implement the award oppose China’s position.

In this regard, at least 70 countries, based on our research, endorse China’s position in various angles of the four components above, and they did so in various ways: unilaterally, bilaterally, or multilaterally. All of them welcome peaceful negotiations to settle the disputes. In addition, we should bear in mind that Philippines’ ex-parte arbitration violates its own commitment to peaceful dialogue and negotiation. Among these countries, some expressed their public and firm support for China’s stance of non-acceptance of the arbitration. Nonetheless, “non-acceptance” is only part of China’s position. American media and think tanks who use this alone for their counts misinterpreted the implication of China’s position.

Generally speaking, most countries’ attitudes toward the South China Sea issue can fall into three categories.

Counties in the first category, represented by Japan, oppose China’s position by supporting the Philippines’ stance while insisting China should recognize and implement the result of the arbitration, which is claimed to officially represent the PCA. This opinion is rare. China Daily mapped five in its report, but our team can only identify three: Japan, Australia, and the United States. Vietnam and the United Kingdom, though represented on the map, do not meet the definition of opposing China directly. In this circumstance, although Japan indeed raised the issue at the Asia-Europe Meeting (ASEM) in Ulaanbaatar, it was echoed by no country except the Philippines itself, according to Japanese media such as Japan Today, The Japan Times, and The Japan News.

The second group includes countries that explicitly expressed their firm support to China on the arbitration, such as Pakistan, Cambodia, and some African countries. This group is bigger than the first one, but still limited. For example, in a public speech broadcast on TVK, Cambodia’s state-owned television network, on June 20, Prime Minister Hun Sen revealed diplomatic pressure over the South China Sea from “certain country outside the region” — widely believed to refer to Japan — and expressed his objection to the arbitration. In a press release found on the official website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan on July 12, the Chinese neighbor reiterated its support for China on its statement of optional exception in light of Article 298 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). Among African countries, Kenya issued a statement on June 15, also on its MFA website, declaring its respect for China’s right of optional exception under UNCLOS Article 298. Gambia, another coastal country in West Africa, has stated its support of China’s position on the arbitration by clearly saying the arbitral tribunal has no jurisdiction over delimitation in the South China Sea through the Gambia Radio and Television Service (GRTS).

Last, many countries, categorized as the third group, support China’s position in terms of resolving the disputes through consultations and negotiations while following the Declarations on the Conduct of Parties in South China Sea (DOC). Combining the second and the third groups, we have found 70 countries, with probably some still missing. Our global think tank network and foreign embassies in Beijing told us some other countries also hold similar attitudes, but have not openly expressed their position due to some “pressure.” We did not include them in our count.

Therefore, our key finding is that the claim by Chinese officials that at least 66 countries support China’s position is verified and solid; in fact, we found five more countries. Although the second and third groups as outlined above may have different stresses on China’s position, they all welcome at least one of the four components. Considering China’s official position on the peace negotiations, these two types of opinions acknowledge the path of peace talks.

Further, the fact that most countries do not show a hardline stance toward either China or the United States illustrates their anxiety about conflicts. This psychological factor is the fundamental issue behind the rally of support.

The Root Cause: Anxiety Over Conflict

In our opinion, the moderated stances of most countries can be explained by the global fundamental consensus over the South China Sea issue — a desire for peace. However, some people are worried about the possibility of an armed clash in the South China Sea and even the start of a “new Cold War” which may force countries to take sides between the United States and China. From this point of view, those who assert that only 10 countries support China not only too narrowly define “China’s position,” but also fail to fully recognize the nuance of other countries’ positions. Moreover, whether the count is 10 or 70, the real issues behind these statements are the global consensus on peace and worldwide anxieties or even fears of conflict — or worse, war.

In recent years, conflicts and turbulence have risen across the world. Thus, there are great anxieties about social unrest and mass violence; there are also anxieties about the distrust between major powers, which may very likely result in a new Cold War or even hot wars if badly managed.

East Asia has long been called “The Museum of Cold War,” where long-standing geopolitical and traditional security issues have not yet been settled and even have been heating up in recent years, especially after the “pivot to Asia” was introduced.

Recently, the South China Sea has been the focal point of Sino-U.S. relations. However, when it comes to the South China Sea issue, some countries find themselves trapped into a dilemma: not only do they worry about the loss of economic support from China, but also they are worried about the loss of security support from the United States. Moreover, some may worry that the regional organization they belong to will be split by the South China Sea issue.

Besides Cambodia mentioned above, Singapore and Thailand have also stated that they will not be involved in the disputes and called for peace. Further, ASEAN as a whole did not form a unanimous view after the arbitration, which shows even ASEAN countries try to avoid taking sides between the two giants.

A great portion of China’s support comes from African and Middle Eastern states that call for diplomatic negotiations rather than unilateral actions. This is not surprising given their collective history as colonies and the deteriorating security environment in these regions.

Extremism is on the rise while the South China Sea heats up. In one of our seminars in Washington D.C. recently, Professor Amitai Etzioni of George Washington University reminded us that the United States’ active response to terrorism and extremism in the Middle East and Africa will also guarantee its credibility among allies without taking on the risk of conflict with China; meanwhile, China has many common interests with the United States on anti-terrorism issues.

Take a look at the tragedy in Nice, think about the death toll in Kabul, let alone the long-lasting bloody turbulence in the Middle East, then you will probably agree with our conclusion: it is time for China and the United States to work together to address our common threats — terrorism and extremism — instead of focusing on the current zero-sum game in the South China Sea.

Beyond the Zero-Sum Game: Seek Asia-Pacific Cooperation

When former Chinese State Councilor Dai Bingguo famously said the arbitral award is nothing but “a piece of waste paper” in the U.S.-China Dialogue on the South China Sea held by our institute (RDCY) and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, we have almost forgotten his key point is that we need a cooling down. Indeed, no matter how the public reacts to the arbitration, the “fusing point” — July 12 — has already passed; all parties are evaluating the next step in the game and restarting the long-term setup for the region. As we mentioned above, peace, the real and fundamental global consensus, remains there. Whether parties want it or not, the disputes will be settled in peace while regional cooperation will continue.

In fact, even in the Philippines there is an effort toward peace. Rodrigo Duterte, the new president, has shown a low-key, restrained, and cooperative attitude after the arbitration. It is reported that Fidel Ramos, a former Philippine president (and also the authors’ friend), will visit China as an envoy. All these efforts show that peace and stability remain the common interests of all parties of the South China Sea in the “post-arbitration” era.

This also goes for the United States. As Jeffery Bader of the Brookings Institution wrote in his recent “framework for U.S. policy toward China,” despite the disputes over the South China Sea issue, China is still a vital stakeholder in global governance and shares a lot of common interests with the United States. In particular, China is going to hold the G20 summit in Hangzhou — a chance for China to lead the global economy recovery cooperatively with other G20 members, including the United States. So why can’t the two cooperate on the South China Sea?

There have been good signs, in fact. Admiral John Richardson, the U.S. chief of naval operations (CNO) paid a successful visit to China on July 17-20, having a fruitful talk with his counterpart Adm. Wu Shengli. We hope this visit will serve as a new starting point for Sino-U.S. military exchanges after the arbitration.

Furthermore, cooperative governance is plausible in the South China Sea. As the authors said at the U.S.-China Dialogue, the most devastating threat to the fishermen in and around the South China Sea is not from China, nor from the United States, but from typhoons. In this regard, all parties, including China and the United States, can cooperate on issues such as meteorological stations, data sharing, typhoon early warning systems, and joint research on climate change. When it comes to hard military issues, the mechanism for Sino-U.S. cooperation already exists. China has taken part in the RIMPAC exercises twice now; in fact, as we wrote this piece, one Chinese fleet was exercising together with U.S. Navy around Hawaii. It is time to freeze tensions as well as activating the existing military exchanges.

We should also bring joint development and broader economic cooperation back to table. Recently, the Duterte government has expressed its will to cooperate with China in exploiting the resources of the South China Sea. The Philippines have some maritime area in the South China Sea that are not subject to sovereignty disputes, but does not have the technology and investment to benefit from them. Here China can do something for the Philippines. This prospect recalls the suggestion to shelve differences and seek joint development put forward by former Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping when meeting with a former Philippine leader.

Finally, as we wrote in our previous article, the South China Sea issue will not stop China-ASEAN economic and financial cooperation. The 21st Century Maritime Silk Road initiative and Mekong-Lancang Mechanism initiated by China are shaping more diversified development projects, and a more flexible and open win-win situation where all ASEAN countries can obtain the investments that they urgently need, including in the sectors of manufacturing, infrastructure, and what we call the “financial infrastructure.” Moreover, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) is a financial institution with strong compatibility and feasibility. The Philippines joined the institution as a founding member; of course, Japan and the United States are welcome to join and benefit from AIIB as well.

To conclude, to avoid a war and to maintain peace in the South China Sea and the Asia-Pacific is the real and fundamental global consensus behind the divergent views on “China’s position.” To make a difference, China, the United States, and other countries should bring joint development back and focus more on possible cooperation areas from anti-terrorism to economic and financial ties, eventually leading the global economy out of its sluggish and uneven recovery.
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http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/who-supports-china-in-the-south-china-sea-and-why/

Probably the real reason why so many countries supported China in some form or another was just to get money out of China. All those countries in Africa.. do you think they really care about the South China Sea? Venezuela? They were a recipient of Chinese investments. But even Chinese investments didn't save their country from collapsing. The US and Japan openly opposed. Just those two count multiple times more than all those Africa countries. Australia came along with the US and Japan like a good ally. Not a single major European country supported China. They remained silent, they know what is economically good.

Additionally, in December 2016, the UK said they will sail their new carriers through the South China Sea. And they will fly Typhoons through the South China Sea in support of international law.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ted-South-China-Sea-strength-aimed-China.html

And France is slowly coming in towards actual military relations with the US, Japan, and the UK in support of international law.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-navy-china-idUSKBN16O0QK

Regardless of what color India is on that map, they support Vietnam in regards to the South China Sea, and China has expressed its dislike of it.
https://thewire.in/63957/india-and-vietnam-upgrade-to-comprehensive-strategic-partnership/

Vietnam of course maintains its claims in the South China Sea and has been improving the capabilities of their features in the Spratly islands.

I don't understand why China felt like having a party on their airbase on Fiery Cross Reef last year. Apparently they all actually thought that they were going to get away with it.
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http://www.thenational.ae/world/eas...s-singers-to-assert-claims-in-south-china-sea

When it becomes May 2017, it'll be one year since they had that party, and JS Izumo will be sailing and practicing with the US Navy in the South China Sea. Maybe the Chinese will have another party for when JS Izumo comes, I don't know. Maybe they think 20 countries from Africa will bring whatever scrapes of naval forces to the South China Sea for joint training with the PLA Navy? Again, I don't know..


We don't need thousands of such articles to prove anything. South sea is our sea.

Supercomplex mentality òf Chine is destroyed bay Mongolian, Manchurian, they ruled you until 1912, and in the last Japanese had ruled you until 1945. Without intervention of Soviet an USA, China is part of Japan Imperial until now. Pls to learn the correct history of China and try best to be ordinary people in modern time.


You are definitely right.
Th point is we are fast growing in all fields and get stronger.
What you have in hand is a history book that you can write whatever you like.

Viets kicked you back to China. Thís ís my answer.:enjoy:

Even today, Vietnam is the 3rd powerful country is the world, undoubtedly in history, GDP or internet.

The list is meaningless. Here is rule of international law. :enjoy:

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Vietnam is good at writing. Carry on. We r expecting a thousand pages work

Australia’s pragmatic South China Sea policy best for our region

BOB CARR
The Australian - March 18, 2017

It’s a reasonable bet Australians would be more comfortable with a democratic China; that is, a China boasting competing political parties in an elected legislature, buttressed by robust freedom of expression.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop’s remarks in Singapore on Monday (3/13) on the value of democracy, aimed at China, are the kind of thing that may be laid down for the record — once in a while — before resuming normal diplomacy. A country with thousands of years of cultural continuity won’t change its political system because of lectures by Westerners. US Democrat Nancy Pelosi spoke in the early 1990s of China introducing freedom of expression under American pressure. Henry Kissinger commented wryly on this naive notion that pressure from the US congress could produce “freedom of speech and the press, which has never existed in five millennia”.

China is undergoing a demanding economic transition to lift 850 million more people into the middle class by 2030. It is bold and risky. China’s leaders are unlikely to choose this moment to surrender their authority. China will liberalise if its middle class begins to expect it, as in Singapore or South Korea, or a reformist leader sponsors it, as in Taiwan or Myanmar.

Right now the West has chosen to deal with China as it is, pragmatically drawing it into global governance. Australia, too, is running a pragmatic China policy. The most striking proof is the South China Sea.

To the disappointment of Australia’s hawks, it is plain as a pikestaff that Australia will not be running US-style patrols there. Last month Bishop met US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. According to The Australian Financial Review, she told him: “Australia will not change its past behaviour in the South China Sea and not escalate tensions with Beijing.

Despite speculation on two occasions, Australia has not attempted to recruit Indonesia for patrols. Bishop categorically ruled this out in Jakarta on March 6. Note the significance of this. As with our decision to join the China-sponsored Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, Australia is saying no to US attempts to enlist us to an anti-Chinese posture. Perhaps the lecture on democracy provides cover.

Yet 18 months ago it had looked almost inevitable that Australia would be recruited to challenge China’s island-building. Three US admirals — their brass glinting and medals tinkling — had dropped strong hints.

As recently as last December, Admiral Harry B. Harris urged Australia to run its own freedom-of-navigation operations.

For Canberra, the proposition was problematic on two grounds.

First, no other American friend, partner or ally — not India, Japan or any European nation — had the remotest interest in jamming its navies into the 12-nautical mile radius around China’s claimed territory. We would be the only one, typecast as a gallant and gullible ally. Second, Canberra had to consider the views of Southeast Asian countries, on whose behalf we would be challenging China.

And they were all dealing with China. According to Chinese sources, Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte went to Beijing on October 19 to seek an alliance with China, despite China’s non-alignment policy. China has been astute enough to allow Philippines fishing vessels access to waters around Scarborough Shoal, which lies within The Philippines’ exclusive economic zone.

Just as striking, Vietnam also has decided to seek a diplomatic accommodation with China over maritime territorial disputes. Following the visit to Beijing in January by Nguyen Phu Trong, General Secretary of the Vietnamese Communist Party, both countries issued a joint communique pledging to “manage well their maritime difference”.

Against this background the Canberra orthodoxy was captured by Angus Houston, former Australian Defence Force chief, in a speech last month. He came down against the notion of freedom-of-navigation operations, arguing they “could provoke a response, a military response”, and added: “I think it’s all about diplomacy in the first instance.”

His views were endorsed by Defence Minister Marise Payne as a “constructive contribution”. A top military man says it would be foolish to run these patrols and the Defence Minister endorses his comments: cue heartfelt lamentations among Australian Cold Warriors, tears of frustration in the staff cafeteria at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

Australian diplomacy should be directed at leading the Trump administration to pragmatic engagement with China and urging China to freeze militarisation of its artificial islands — doing so with the extra clout we enjoy because the Chinese know we have so far declined patrols with the US but could always change our minds.

For its part, China is handling the Trump administration with restraint, as a survey of its media responses to Donald Trump confirms. This survey, conducted by the Australia-China Relations Institute, shows Chinese official opinion is eager for dialogue with the Americans. Presidents Trump and Xi Jinping are scheduled to talk at Mar-a-Lago in Florida next month.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/australias-pragmatic-south-china-sea-policy-best-for-our-region/news-story/f1991e69f3b4e1b35ca14c05ea99fd71?nk=5efc650c66ee6a628db22ff24d8ac255-1489841927

Australia is a magic land full of magic politicians

CHINA BANS FISHING IN VIETNAMESE WATERS
Posted on March 8, 2017
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The government of Vietnam has condemned China for imposing a fishing ban over its territory in the Paracel Islands, a South China Sea archipelago that China illegally claims as its own.

The Chinese Ministry of Agriculture announced a ban last week on fishing in multiple regions of the South China Sea, including the Gulf of Tonkin and the waters of Vietnam’s Paracel Islands. Between May 1 and August 16, the Chinese Coast Guard will prevent Vietnamese fishermen from exploiting the resources within Chinese sovereign territory.

The Vietnamese Foreign Ministry said China made a serious violation of the nation’s sovereignty. “Vietnam resolutely opposes and rejects the regulation issued by China,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh said last week.

According to the English-language regional outlet Vietnam Net, Binh added that Vietnam “has sufficient legal ground and historical evidence affirming its sovereignty over Hoang Sa (Paracel) archipelago as well as legitimate rights over its waters in line with the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).”

The Chinese government claims most of the South China Sea, including the sovereign waters of Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia, and Indonesia.

http://tankler.com/china-bans-fishing-in-vietnamese-waters-13261

If you believe that is your water, go fishing.
 
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@Star Expedition
It's all about saving face what China govt say and do when US Navy trolling on South China Sea, you realise that nothing you can do to them...... Just like a dog with his tail under his leg meeting stronger opponent. lols
 
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