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Its reported in Vietnam that China has refused to negociate with Vietnam about Paracel Islands sovereignty, simply china didn't has proof for her claiming. China would like to apply here the aggressive tactic, step by step she will take all Islands of Vietnam in East Sea of Vietnam with force and invasions (China did in 1974 and in 1988). China's plan is that China is master in Asia, she would like to demonstrate her muscle here.



This map Đại Nam nhất thống toàn đồ (tên gốc: 大南ー統全圖) is made in Vietnam in 1834, Paracel and Spratly had drawn in shore of Vietnam, Paracels and Spratly has stated clearly in sea territory of Vietnam.

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As I mentioned, Vietnam use force to take some islands as well, so mentioned it is like only Vietnam can do it, but another country cannot do it! regarding sit down and talk, I hear just the opposite story. In my opinion, still try to sit down and talk is the best.
As for the Map you attached, Hainan Island also in the map, so are you claiming Hainan island is belong to Vietnam as well?
 
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As I mentioned, Vietnam use force to take some islands as well, so mentioned it is like only Vietnam can do it, but another country cannot do it! regarding sit down and talk, I hear just the opposite story. In my opinion, still try to sit down and talk is the best.
As for the Map you attached, Hainan Island also in the map, so are you claiming Hainan island is belong to Vietnam as well?

Southern Guandong is on that map, must be Vietnam too :lol:
 
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As I mentioned, Vietnam use force to take some islands as well, so mentioned it is like only Vietnam can do it, but another country cannot do it! regarding sit down and talk, I hear just the opposite story. In my opinion, still try to sit down and talk is the best.
As for the Map you attached, Hainan Island also in the map, so are you claiming Hainan island is belong to Vietnam as well?

1975 South Vietnamese liberation front troopes had taken control Islands from South Vietnam Saigon Goverment' army, mostly there was no fighting, just handed over.

I do agree with you that China and Vietnam have to solve this dispute in East Sea of Vietnam based on rules of international laws and both should respect mutual interests in minds of "win-win" solution.

In the map posted is existed the Hai Nam Island, there is not disputed Island.

Southern Guandong is on that map, must be Vietnam too :lol:

This map is for you.:enjoy:

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I do agree with you that China and Vietnam have to solve this dispute in East Sea of Vietnam based on rules of international laws and both should respect mutual interests in minds of "win-win" solution.
Respect the international law? What a joke!! You even want to deny the official diplomatic letter from your vice PM.
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Respect the international law? What a joke!! You even want to deny the official diplomatic letter from your vice PM.
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Again, could North Korea agree that Dokdo Island does belong to Japan when Dokdo is in sea territory of South Korea ? any case, this letter is just said about 12 sea coastline related to North Vietnam (VDR) with mainland China's (PRC) sea only, no mentioned about Paracel and Spratly.
 
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Again, could North Korea agree that Dokdo Island does belong to Japan when Dokdo is in sea territory of South Korea ? any case, this letter is just said about 12 sea coastline related to North Vietnam (VDR) with mainland China's (PRC) sea only, no mentioned about Paracel and Spratly.

You've made too many repetitions about your FAKE point that North Vietnam (or Democratic Republic of Vietnam) could not represent Vietnam. Just take a read at your own constitution: The Constitution of Socialist Republic of Vietnam!

As part of the constitution preamble, it said: "President Ho Chi Minh announced the Declaration of Independence, founding the
Democratic Republic of Vietnam which is now the Socialist Republic of Vietnam."

Clearly, according to your own constitution, although bearing different names, "Socialist Republic of Vietnam" is the
same constitutional entity to "Democratic Republic of Vietnam". In short, constitutional wise, "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" = "Socialist Republic of Vietnam".

Even a less-educated
Vietnamese could agree that the Constitution of Socialist Republic of Vietnam is the most critical foundation to the current Vietnam. However, as you are so eager to seeking for excuses to your stealing of China's waters and islands from the South China Sea, I won't be surprised that you even DENY your own constitution. But obviously, a country that even want to deny own constitution, can not be seen as a reliable partner for international law negotiation.

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You've made too many repetitions about your FAKE point that North Vietnam (or Democratic Republic of Vietnam) could not represent Vietnam. Just take a read at your own constitution: The Constitution of Socialist Republic of Vietnam!

As part of the constitution preamble, it said: "President Ho Chi Minh announced the Declaration of Independence, founding the
Democratic Republic of Vietnam which is now the Socialist Republic of Vietnam."

Clearly, according to your own constitution, although bearing different names, "Socialist Republic of Vietnam" is the
same constitutional entity to "Democratic Republic of Vietnam". In short, constitutional wise, "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" = "Socialist Republic of Vietnam".

Even a less-educated
Vietnamese could agree that the Constitution of Socialist Republic of Vietnam is the most critical foundation to the current Vietnam. However, as you are so eager to seeking for excuses to your stealing of China's waters and islands from the South China Sea, I won't be surprised that you even DENY your own constitution. But obviously, a country that even want to deny own constitution, can not be seen as a reliable partner for international law negotiation.

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1.China and North Vietnam signed in to Geneva Acorrd Agreement 1954. There is two state in Vietnam is existed in the world after 1954. Paracel and Spratly does belong to South Vietnam Territory.:enjoy:

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2. The Letter of North Vietnam in 1958 is said about 12 mile coastline of North Vietnam and to mainland China only. :enjoy:

3. North Vietnam state govt , in 1958, didn't have right to say about sovereignty of South Vietnam state. :enjoy:

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I won't be surprised that you even DENY your own constitution.

See what I predicted? Our friend Kecho begins to deny his own constitution!

China and North Vietnam signed in to Geneva Acorrd Agreement 1954.
Democratic Republic of Vietnam got its legitimacy from the Geneva Accord? Haha, you are making bad joke with your own constitution. According to your own institution, Democratic Republic of Vietnam got its legitimacy from Ho Chi Minh's speech of "Declaration of Independence", and was found on Sept. 2, 1945!
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There is two state in Vietnam is existed in the world after 1954.
North Vietnam state govt , in 1958, didn't have right to say about sovereignty of South Vietnam state.

You are making very bad joke with your own constitution again. According to your current constitution, South Vietnam, or Republic of Vietnam, does NOT exist at all! Your constitution mentions Ho's Declaration of Independence that was made in 1945, mentions the 1946 constitution and the 1959 constitution. But where is the constitutional place of South Vietnam or Republic of Vietnam?

Take a read at the Constitution of Democratic Republic of Vietnam. The first sentence of the constitutions said: "Vietnam is a single entity from Lang-Son to Camau. " Since Vietnam is one single entity, tell us how South Vietnam could be seen as a Sovereign State?

So sad. Your beloved VCP does NOT want to acknowledge the existence of South Vietnam. Your point that Democratic Republic of Vietnam didn't have right to say about sovereignty of South Vietnam state,
equals to deny the past constitutions and current constitution of Vietnam, equals to deny the legitimacy of VCP and the current Vietnam government, implies that you expect for a rebel to kill VCP.

Constitutional wise, "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" = "Socialist Republic of Vietnam". Unless VCP be expelled from the throne, there is NO chance for you to deny this.
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The Letter of North Vietnam in 1958 is said about 12 mile coastline of North Vietnam and to mainland China only.

Pham Van Dong’s Diplomatic Note said very clear: Vietnam government recognizes and endorses the decision and statement made by the Government of the People's Republic of China on the territorial waters of China on 4 September 1958.

And regarding the 4 September 1958 statement by China, it said the 12-mile rules apply to all islands of China, incl. Xisha Islands, Zhongsha Islands, Dongsha Islands, and Nansha Islands.

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中华人民共和国政府关于领海的声明(1958年9月4日)

中华人民共和国政府宣布(一)中华人民共和国的领海宽度为12海里。这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土,包括中国大陆及其沿海岛屿,和同大陆及其沿海岛屿隔有公海的台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。
 
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See what I predicted? Our friend Kecho begins to deny his own constitution!


Democratic Republic of Vietnam got its legitimacy from the Geneva Accord? Haha, you are making bad joke with your own constitution. According to your own institution, Democratic Republic of Vietnam got its legitimacy from Ho Chi Minh's speech of "Declaration of Independence", and was found on Sept. 2, 1945!
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You are making very bad joke with your own constitution again. According to your current constitution, South Vietnam, or Republic of Vietnam, does NOT exist at all! Your constitution mentions Ho's Declaration of Independence that was made in 1945, mentions the 1946 constitution and the 1959 constitution. But where is the constitutional place of South Vietnam or Republic of Vietnam?

Take a read at the Constitution of Democratic Republic of Vietnam. The first sentence of the constitutions said: "Vietnam is a single entity from Lang-Son to Camau. " Since Vietnam is one single entity, tell us how South Vietnam could be seen as a Sovereign State?

So sad. Your beloved VCP does NOT want to acknowledge the existence of South Vietnam. Your point that Democratic Republic of Vietnam didn't have right to say about sovereignty of South Vietnam state,
equals to deny the past constitutions and current constitution of Vietnam, equals to deny the legitimacy of VCP and the current Vietnam government, implies that you expect for a rebel to kill VCP.

Constitutional wise, "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" = "Socialist Republic of Vietnam". Unless VCP be expelled from the throne, there is NO chance for you to deny this.
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Pham Van Dong’s Diplomatic Note said very clear: Vietnam government recognizes and endorses the decision and statement made by the Government of the People's Republic of China on the territorial waters of China on 4 September 1958.

And regarding the 4 September 1958 statement by China, it said the 12-mile rules apply to all islands of China, incl. Xisha Islands, Zhongsha Islands, Dongsha Islands, and Nansha Islands.

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中华人民共和国政府关于领海的声明(1958年9月4日)

中华人民共和国政府宣布(一)中华人民共和国的领海宽度为12海里。这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土,包括中国大陆及其沿海岛屿,和同大陆及其沿海岛屿隔有公海的台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。
the letter bears no meaning. only the national assembly has the authority to make decisions on sovereignty.

Can the Taiwanese government give the People of Republic of China as gift to Japan since Taiwan sees itself as the legitimate ruler of entire China?
 
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Taiwan restates sovereignty in South China Sea amid dispute with Vietnam

Taiwan restates sovereignty over Taiping Island following protests from Vietnam

By Judy Lin, Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2017/03/31 16:54

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Taiping Island or known as Itu Abu seen from afar.

TAIPEI (Taiwan News)—Taiwan reiterated its sovereignty over the disputed Taiping Island (太平島) in the South China Sea, after Vietnam announced Thursday, such actions seriously impacted maritime safety and security in the East Sea.

In response to Vietnam’s protest, Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) stated Taiping Island is an indispensable territory of the nation, and that the country has irrefutable rights over the island in the South China Sea and surrounding waters based on international and maritime laws.

Taiping Island or more commonly known as Itu Abu internationally is one of the largest naturally formed Spratley Islands in South China Sea.

Taiwan’s MOFA stated the nation’s Coast Guard Administration (CGA) conducted a regular three-day military drill on the island from March 29-31, 2017 that involved firing missiles.

In response to Taiwan’s increasing military actions in the region, Vietnam’s Foreign Ministry’s Spokesperson Le Hai Binh stated the actions “seriously violate Vietnam’s sovereignty over Truong Sa archipelago.”

"It also threatens peace, stability and maritime safety and security in the East Sea, while elevating tension and complicating the situation in the waters,” a Reuters report quoted Le saying.

According to a Taiwan MOFA official, the country’s government is willing to work with countries involved in the South China Sea to promote peace and stability, based on the principles of casting aside disputes, jointly developing resources, and negotiating on an equal footing, stated the official.
 
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See what I predicted? Our friend Kecho begins to deny his own constitution!


Democratic Republic of Vietnam got its legitimacy from the Geneva Accord? Haha, you are making bad joke with your own constitution. According to your own institution, Democratic Republic of Vietnam got its legitimacy from Ho Chi Minh's speech of "Declaration of Independence", and was found on Sept. 2, 1945!
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You are making very bad joke with your own constitution again. According to your current constitution, South Vietnam, or Republic of Vietnam, does NOT exist at all! Your constitution mentions Ho's Declaration of Independence that was made in 1945, mentions the 1946 constitution and the 1959 constitution. But where is the constitutional place of South Vietnam or Republic of Vietnam?

Take a read at the Constitution of Democratic Republic of Vietnam. The first sentence of the constitutions said: "Vietnam is a single entity from Lang-Son to Camau. " Since Vietnam is one single entity, tell us how South Vietnam could be seen as a Sovereign State?

So sad. Your beloved VCP does NOT want to acknowledge the existence of South Vietnam. Your point that Democratic Republic of Vietnam didn't have right to say about sovereignty of South Vietnam state,
equals to deny the past constitutions and current constitution of Vietnam, equals to deny the legitimacy of VCP and the current Vietnam government, implies that you expect for a rebel to kill VCP.

Constitutional wise, "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" = "Socialist Republic of Vietnam". Unless VCP be expelled from the throne, there is NO chance for you to deny this.
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Pham Van Dong’s Diplomatic Note said very clear: Vietnam government recognizes and endorses the decision and statement made by the Government of the People's Republic of China on the territorial waters of China on 4 September 1958.

And regarding the 4 September 1958 statement by China, it said the 12-mile rules apply to all islands of China, incl. Xisha Islands, Zhongsha Islands, Dongsha Islands, and Nansha Islands.

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中华人民共和国政府关于领海的声明(1958年9月4日)

中华人民共和国政府宣布(一)中华人民共和国的领海宽度为12海里。这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土,包括中国大陆及其沿海岛屿,和同大陆及其沿海岛屿隔有公海的台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。

When both China (PRC) and North Vietnam (VDR) had signed in to Geneva Accord Agreement in 1954, the administrate right of VDR is automatically limited at 17th Pararell at Bến Hải river. In South Vietnam, is under controlled and governed by President Bảo Đại (Vietnam State), later on Ngo Dinh Diem In 1955, Diệm called for a referendum to remove Bảo Đại and establish a Republic Vietnam with Diệm as president, and also with different Law and Constitution, govenor administrate sýstem in South Vietnam, from southern òf 17th Pararall. This ís truth of Vietnam History, my Friend.

So why, in the letter dated 1958, the North Vietnam PM had intentionally skip Hoang Sa and Truong Sa name from his statement (Island does belong to South Vietnam in time 1954 -1975) in his diplomtaic letter.

Declaration òf independence Vietnam ís still valid up to nơw aday, Vietnamese people have fight in new battle (diplomatically) counter all foreigner occupation in our sea territory with Taiwan (ROC) and Mainland China (PRC) and partly by Phil.

Pls don't twisted mỏre about nature òf the diplomatic latter dated 1958, my friend.
 
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In-depth
Truth about South China Sea dispute: expert

English.news.cn 2014-06-14 14:01:11

BEIJING, June 14 (Xinhua) -- Vietnam says it has evidence to prove its claim in the South China Sea but is ignoring its own historical documents that vindicate China's position, Ling Dequan, a researcher with Center for World Affairs Studies affiliated to Xinhua, said on Saturday.

The following is the full text of Ling's article titled "The truth about the sea dispute" and published on China Daily on Saturday:

Vietnam says it has evidence to prove its claim in South China Sea but is ignoring own historical documents that vindicate China's position. Vietnam has been using China-Vietnam clashes in the South China Sea, and distorting facts, fanning passions and playing up the "China threat" theory, to vilify China. Ignoring the overall development of Beijing-Hanoi relationship, Vietnam is pretending to be a "victim" in the South China Sea dispute, saying it is prepared to seek international arbitration on the issue.

Vietnamese leaders have said that they have enough historical evidence to justify Vietnam's sovereignty over "Huangsha" and "Changsha" islands, claiming that Vietnam has been the "master" of the two islands since the 17th century. It seems like they have lifted their remarks straight out of a white paper "Truth of China-Vietnam Relationship over 30 Years", issued by the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry in 1979 when bilateral ties were not normal. Worse, almost all the arguments in that 1979 document were copied from a "white paper" issued by the Saigon-based puppet South Vietnam regime (or the Republic of Vietnam) in February 1974.

Now the Vietnamese leaders, using the so-called historical documents, are trying to claim that Vietnam's "Huangsha" and "Changsha" islands are actually China's Xisha Islands and Nansha Islands. The fact is that, the islands recorded in Vietnamese documents refer to some other islands surrounding Vietnam instead of the Xisha and Nansha islands.

To encroach on China's territory in the 1970s, the South Vietnam regime distorted historical facts, which were adopted by later Vietnamese leaders for political purposes. This has complicated the issue and caused serious damage to Sino-Vietnamese ties.

A look at the evidence presented in China's diplomatic documents in the late 1970s and early 1980s will reveal the truth. In fact, even some Vietnamese scholars have said that the documents cited by Vietnam to claim sovereignty over the Xisha and Nansha islands are not genuine historical records but edited versions of originals, confirming China's sovereignty over the islands.

Vietnamese leaders said China forcibly occupied the entire "Huangsha Islands" in 1974, which were then controlled by the Saigon regime. The Saigon regime had kicked up a row over the naval battle that broke out in 1974 in the waters around China's Xisha Islands and sought military support from its ally, the United States, and requested the UN Security Council's intervention. But neither the US nor the UN Security Council acceded to the Saigon regime's request. This means the international community, including the US, has never believed in Vietnam's complaints or claims.

On Sept 2, 1945, Ho Chi Minh announced the establishment of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam in Hanoi. In January 1950, the People's Republic of China became the first country to establish diplomatic relations with Ho Chi Minh-led Vietnam. For China and a vast majority of the other countries, the government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (later the Socialist Republic of Vietnam), was (and has been) the only legitimate government of Vietnam, and the government of South Vietnam, a puppet regime installed by French colonialists and American imperialists.

So now, about 39 years after defeating the Americans, why does the Socialist Republic of Vietnam want to use the Saigon regime's claim to create trouble in the South China Sea? Aren't the current Vietnamese leaders betraying Ho Chi Minh and other freedom fighters, profaning the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of their compatriots who laid down their lives to resist foreign aggressors, and negating the valued support of their allies in the battle against colonialism by citing the comprador Saigon regime's claim?

The Vietnamese government must not violate the principle of estoppel in the Xisha and Nansha islands' sovereignty issue. Vietnamese leaders claim that no country recognizes that the Xisha and Nansha islands belong to China. This is a brazen lie, because the Democratic Republic of Vietnam topped the list of countries that accepted China's sovereignty over the islands.

The Democratic Republic of Vietnam's position was unequivocal in the 1950s and 1960s. The position remained unchanged even after the death of Ho Chi Minh and the end of the Vietnam War in 1975. Documents with the Chinese Foreign Ministry from the 1970s and 1980s show the position of the Ho Chi Minh-led Vietnamese Communist Party on the Xisha and Nansha islands. The most important of these documents is a note given by former Vietnamese premier Pham Van Dong to Zhou Enlai and the declaration of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam in 1965.

On Sept 4, 1958, the Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China said that the breadth of the territorial sea of the country shall be 12 nautical miles and that this provision should apply to all territories of the PRC, including all the islands in the South China Sea. On Sept 14, 1958, Pham Van Dong solemnly stated in his note to Zhou Enlai that Vietnam recognizes and supports the Declaration of the Government of the PRC on the country's territorial sea. On Sept 22, 1958, the diplomatic note was publicly published in Nhan Dan, the official newspaper of the Vietnamese Communist Party.

On May 9, 1965, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam issued a statement on the US' definition on the "theater of war" in Vietnam. The statement said that by defining the whole of Vietnam and the waters up to 100 nautical miles off its coast as well as part of the territorial sea of China's Xisha Islands as the operational area of the US armed forces, Lyndon Johnson, then US president, has directly threatened the security of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and its neighbors.

In recent years, however, some Vietnamese government officials and "scholars" have tried to "reinterpret" the two government documents, only to end up making fools of themselves. And after their attempts failed, the Vietnamese government started pretending as if the two documents never existed.

Vietnam has said that it is fully prepared with historical and legal evidence to prove its claim in the South China Sea, and it is waiting for the appropriate time to take China to the international court of justice. If that is so, then Vietnam should not forget to attach Pham Van Dong's note and the Democratic Republic of Vietnam's statement, as well as the maps and textbooks published by Vietnam before 1975, with its complaint.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2014-06/14/c_133407130.htm


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Chinese envoy rebuts Vietnamese, Philippine accusations over South China Sea

UNITED NATIONS, June 13 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese envoy on Friday forcefully refuted accusations made by Vietnam and the Philippines against China over the South China Sea situation, holding the two countries responsible for any disputes.

At the meeting of state parties to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) held here, Wang Min, China's deputy permanent representative to the United Nations, slammed Vietname and the Philippines for infringing upon Chinese territory. Full Story

The Operation of the HYSY 981 Drilling Rig: Vietnam's Provocation and China's Position

Video: History of Chinese sovereignty over the Xisha Islands

HYSY 981 Drilling Rig: Vietnam's Provocation and China's Position

BEIJING, June 8 (Xinhua) -- China's Foreign Ministry released an article about the HYSY 981 drilling rig in the Xisha Islands on its website on Sunday. The full text is as follows: Full story

China sends note to UN chief to clarify Xisha situation

UNITED NATIONS, June 9 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese envoy on Monday sent a note to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, presenting documents making clear Vietnam's provocation and China's stance regarding the Xisha Islands in the South China Sea.

In the note, Wang Min, China's deputy permanent representative to the United Nations, also asked Ban to circulate the documents, as UN General Assembly documents, among all UN member states. Full story

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Seeing on how during the last decade the various governments of Vietnam have been lying outright incl. having some amnesia of the true history related to the Xisha Islands 西沙群岛 (internationally better known as "Paracel Islands") and Nansha Islands 南沙群岛 (better known as "Spratly Islands" internationally), readers should have less wonder if they are also aware of this historical denial by the Vietnamese government.

IS any reader here aware of the following historical fact that Hồ Chí Minh indeed got married to a Chinese wife? :yahoo:

#BELOW IS JUST A BRIEF EXCERPT#

The sacrosanct leader of the New Vietnam, Hồ Chí Minh, got married to a Chinese woman, Zeng Xueming (曾雪明), known in Vietnamese as Tăng Tuyết Minh in 1926.

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Hồ Chí Minh's wife, Zeng Xueming (曾雪明)aka. Tăng Tuyết Minh

Zeng Xueming (Chinese: , 1905–1991), known in Vietnamese as Tăng Tuyết Minh, was a Chinese midwife who married Vietnamese leader Hồ Chí Minh. She was a Catholic from Guangzhou and married Ho in October 1926. They lived together until April 1927, when Ho fled China following an anti-communist coup. Ho returned to Vietnam in 1940 to lead the pro-Communist Viet Minh, the communist rebels against the French colonial authorities. He became president of North Vietnam in 1954. Despite several attempts to renew contact by both Zeng and Ho, the couple was never reunited. Ho and Zeng were never legally divorced nor was their marriage ever annulled. Her existence has never been acknowledged by the Vietnamese government.

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In May 1950, Zeng saw a picture of Ho in a newspaper and learned that he was now president of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, which later became the government of North Vietnam. She then sent a message to the DRV ambassador in Beijing. This message was unanswered. She tried again in 1954, but her letter was again unanswered. Representatives of the Chinese government told her to stop trying to contact Ho and promised to provide for her needs. By this time, a cult of personality had arisen around Ho and the North Vietnamese government had an investment in the myth of his celibacy, said to symbolize his total devotion to the revolution. For his part, Ho asked the North Vietnamese consul in Guangzhou to look up Zeng in 1967, but without success. Ho died in September 1969. Zeng retired as a midwife in 1977 and died 14 November 1991 at the age of 86.

Research and reaction
The claim that Ho had a Chinese wife first appeared in a book by Chinese author Huang Zheng published in 1987. This claim went unnoticed until the book was translated into Vietnamese in 1990. Also in 1990, French author Daniel Hémery found Ho's letters to Zeng in the Centre des Archives d’Outre-Mer, the French colonial archive. In May 1991, the editor-in-chief of Tuoi Tre Vũ Kim Hạnh was summarily dismissed from her post after the newspaper published a story about Ho's marriage. William Duiker's Ho Chi Minh: A Life (2000) presents additional CAOM documentation for the relationship. The government requested substantial cuts in the official Vietnamese translation of Duiker's book, which was refused. In 2002, the Vietnamese government suppressed a review of Duiker's book in the Far Eastern Economic Review.

Chu Đức Tính, Director of the Hồ Chí Minh Museum, in an interview with the newspaper Tuổi Trẻ said that he and his colleagues at the museum have debated many times with Huang Zheng, the first person who published about Zeng Xueming's marriage to Ho. He characterized it as a rumor heard on the Internet and concluded that "this is a hypothesis that is more fiction than not" and said "the facts have proven that it is not true."


The legal witnesses of this marriage were the two top women's personalities of the New China: Cai Chang (蔡畅) and Deng Yingchao (邓颖超 | 鄧穎超), wife of future Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai.

Zeng was 21 and Ho was 36. The wedding took place in the same building where Zhou had married Deng earlier.

P.S: Cai Chang was the future President of the All-China Women's Federation as well as the future Vice Chairman of the Fifth NPC Standing Committee.


Just imagine, with all the historical facts and documents, the govt of Vietnam would still deny such marriage of Hồ Chí Minh and Zeng Xueming did exist!!! What one may expect about the South China Sea issues then :-) LOL

Knowing who were the legal witnesses of this marriage, i.e. the two of the most influential women in the history of modern China, not just ordinary personalities, such official denial by the Vietnamese government is becoming even weirder! Showing what a cunning character and lacks of trustworthiness!!


Note: It was not the fault of Hồ Chí Minh himself regarding his marriage denial, it's the subsequent political and party forces that created a myth around Ho who made such blatant denial, and remains uncorrected until today. Showing about a nation living under myth and lies...

Read the FULL article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeng_Xueming
 
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China opens S China Sea website

(Xinhua) Updated: 2016-08-04 07:35

BEIJING - China on Wednesday opened a website on the South China Sea, complete with historical maps, articles and research, according to the State Oceanic Administration (SOA).

Run by the National Marine Data & Information Service, the Chinese language site has 10 sections that cover basic information, news, historical archives, development and management, expert opinion, law and regulations, a timeline of major events, pictures and videos and Q&A.

"The South China Sea has drawn huge attention, but some information online is not accurate," said Zhang Haiwen, SOA official in charge of international cooperation. "We hope that this website will enable domestic and overseas people to better understand it and learn about the truth behind the 'dispute' over it."

According to Zhang, the website contains not only maps and archives but also exclusive analysis and expository articles based on experts' research of thousands of maps.

Zhang cited that a map often used by Vietnam to prove that it owned the Xisha Islands was actually pieced together by two maps, which have already been obtained by experts and might be used to refute the country's claim.

Zhang said new findings will be published on the website once verified.

According to the SOA, information on the website must first be reviewed by an expert panel and be "comprehensive, authoritative, detailed and accurate."

"The website is founded with the aim of positively publicizing our policies, claims, historical proof, legal basis and international cooperation while serving as a reliable channel for domestic and overseas government departments, research groups and individuals to learn about the South China Sea," said SOA spokesman Shi Qingfeng.

The website has now six domain names, including www.thesouthchinasea.org and www.china-nanhai.org, due to "information unification and security concerns," according to the SOA.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-08/04/content_26338101.htm

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China's Official Website on the South China Sea

Managed by the State Oceanic Administration

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中国南海网
http://www.thesouthchinasea.org/

中国南海网
http://www.china-nanhai.org/

国家海洋局南海分局
http://www.scsb.gov.cn/scsb/index.shtml



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@kecho - I won't bother to address your "rubber-style" posts any further... it seems you can post anything with impunity here to prop your make-believe ideas, even such RIDICULOUSLY HILARIOUS remark such as "China was a puppet regime of the USSR" ==> thus it's useless to address further any trolling post as such!! What a waste of time :crazy:

About the Hồ Chí Minh and Zeng Xueming marriage, your so-called "fabricated Chinese propaganda"

... thus the France assisted China in promoting this propaganda by keeping the Ho's letters to Zeng in the Centre des Archives d’Outre-Mer, the French colonial archive as mentioned by French author Daniel Hémery in 1990.


I am amazed on the capabilities of the Vietnamese rulers to coin a new history of their own version, whitewashing the historical facts :D:cheesy:

At the end let's see on how the realities work in the South China Sea :D I do believe that China should have known the characters of VIE ruling class very well thus it won't get cheated any more.

I will take the de jure and/or de facto islands/islets/atolls possessions as the only importance and relevant aspect.... plus of course the capability to defend and develop them... any other things such as word exchanges are good for mental satisfaction only... and moreover the actual developments there are the only thing that will give values to such ownership... all others are just noises across the giant waves in the vast South China Sea...:coffee:

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About the Hồ Chí Minh and Zeng Xueming marriage, your so-called "fabricated Chinese propaganda"

... thus the France assisted China in promoting this propaganda by keeping the Ho's letters to Zeng in the Centre des Archives d’Outre-Mer, the French colonial archive as mentioned by French author Daniel Hémery in 1990.


I am amazed on the capabilities of the Vietnamese rulers to coin a new history of their own version, whitewashing the historical facts :D:cheesy:

As human being, Hồ Chí Minh could had Chinese girl friend in China in the past, it was normal life of people every where in this world.

When you can not show the marriage certificate here, its fake info... pls don't fabricating and spread such meaningless cooked cabbages for insult ơn Hồ Chí Minh here on this forum, I will do with the same manner on your Chinese leaders, like Mao Zedong etc...when you do not stop it.:sarcastic:
 
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1.China and North Vietnam signed in to Geneva Acorrd Agreement 1954. There is two state in Vietnam is existed in the world after 1954. Paracel and Spratly does belong to South Vietnam Territory.

When both China (PRC) and North Vietnam (VDR) had signed in to Geneva Accord Agreement in 1954, the administrate right of VDR is automatically limited at 17th Pararell at Bến Hải river.

I think you are the one mixing some up some history here.

1) No intent: If you check out the negotiations preceeding the Geneva agreement of 1954 pretty much every party refused a division of the country.

2) No ruling: The agreement was over a defacto division of/in the country to seperate zones until elections would decide who would govern the country, not a division into two seperate sovereign states. Different things. With the conclusion of the agreement, there was still just one state of Vietnam.

There is no interpretation room to assume someone might have "intended" a division into two states in the Geneva agreement or in other words signing off the Geneva Agreement implies recognizing and respecting Vietnam as one whole state that is simply just internaly divided. Not like that stops people from trying to make contrary claims.

The later division into the two states of North and South Vietnam(Republic of Vietnam), not just the zones North and South Vietnam as they where known for for about a decade even before the Geneva Agreement 1954, was a consequence of the failure of the Geneva Agreement. Signing off the Geneva Agreement has nothing to do with that anymore.
 
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