South China Sea Forum

[大汉奸柳传志]

Lol and you still think the U.S. is viewed as the aggressor in that area...

No，Just a much needed enabler.

 

[ahtan_china]

In 1946-1947 it was US destroyers who transported the Chinese to the islands and reefs to claim sovereignty of SCS recovered from Japanese occupation. Now US destroyers are telling us that these are no-man's land. It's obvious that it's a contest of fists and kicks...

Do you remember the USA is a nation without history?.

 

[Speeder 2]

The HQ-9 SAM is now deployed on the islands.

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Which islands?

 

[dichoi]

It is really? Come on, Dude. The PLA navy, even China coast guard is waiting for your coming.. Do you want to show the game of the 981 oil rig again? Welcome

Come on, pls.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

In 1946-1947 it was US destroyers who transported the Chinese to the islands and reefs to claim sovereignty of SCS recovered from Japanese occupation. Now US destroyers are telling us that these are no-man's land. It's obvious that it's a contest of fists and kicks...

As I recall from my twisted history classes here... the Russians and Communists beat the Japanese...why would the U.S. Military be doing any transportation?

 

[Sanchez]

As I recall from my twisted history classes here... the Russians and Communists beat the Japanese...why would the U.S. Military be doing any transportation?

It was after we beat Japanese and US forces came to meddle the affairs of C and N in China.

 

[ahtan_china]

Come on, pls.

I am not interesting in kid's cartoon. Bye

 

[Place Of Space]

Which islands?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It was after we beat Japanese and US forces came to meddle the affairs of C and N in China.

Ah by meddling you mean the Navy showed up and forced some Chinese people on transport ships and dumped them on remote reefs...

 

[Sanchez]

Ah by meddling you mean the Navy showed up and forced some Chinese people on transport ships and dumped them on remote reefs...

Oh no, you know the history. US was helping to transport Nationalist troops moving from Southwest of China to take over Japanese occupied areas. In the mean time US meddled a ceasefire between Communists and Nationalists.

China announced our SCS territory borders with the famous 9 dotted lines in 1947 and nobody voiced objections then！

 

[Place Of Space]

Ah by meddling you mean the Navy showed up and forced some Chinese people on transport ships and dumped them on remote reefs...

Nonono, that's pragmatic policy.
When you know, after 6 years nuking Japan, US made it an ally, you don't need to wonder the transpotation action. lol

 

[Gijoe]

50 years ago, China would hide it balls to the US. Now 50 years later, US balls getting smaller. China balls getting enlarge. When US doing his business in Syria with ISIS, they really show some balls, but when Russia start intervene. US balls now getting more smaller. Both Russia and China giving US middle finger and pulled down their pants to show case their balls for the US. Unfortunately US cannot show back, because their balls is becoming vanished.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

50 years ago, China would hide it balls to the US. Now 50 years later, US balls getting smaller. China balls getting enlarge. When US doing his business in Syria with ISIS, they really show some balls, but when Russia start intervene. US balls now getting more smaller. Both Russia and China giving US middle finger and pulled down their pants to show case their balls for the US. Unfortunately US cannot show back, because their balls is becoming vanished.

No flags...the irony.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I had expected more: a US carrier crusing close to Paracels.

An aircraft carrier would not come that close to the vicinity of the island, because it would not risk to get grounded.

That's why the USN is constantly sending the smaller and more flexible cruiser or destroyer.

Which islands?

Which islands?

I guess it is the island closest to the completion.

BTW, all islands will be soon militarized.

 

[Zsari]

Chinese recently did the same in US 12nmi zone at the Aleutians. Thats not the point. Even if the islands were Chinese territory, the U.S. Navy or any navy could pass within 12 miles under the rule of "innocent passage," which allows ships to sail if they are not conducting military maneuvers.

The point refers to sovereignty (territorial) claims on the one hand, EEZ on the other and what international shipping can/cannot do in an EEZ. AFAIK, under international law, navies can conduct activities in waters beyond the territorial sea of another state without prior notification or consent including in an exclusive economic zone of another country. See e.g. Impeccable incident re. attempts at stopping surface traffic ( a Chinese intelligence collection ship challenged Impeccable over bridge-to-bridge radio, calling her operations illegal and directing Impeccable to leave the area or 'suffer the consequences').

Like I've already said, innocent passage have specific protocols to follow. For example you can't launch on board helicopter, you can't turn on your radar etc. Unless the US specifically stated it is exercising innocent passage, the chance are that it is not.
Chinese naval vessels on the other hand are transiting through the Bering Strait, which according to UNCLOS on Straits, is called transit passage, which has less restrictive requirements than innocent passage. The two actions are actually very different legally speaking. And you know what's the biggest difference between the two? That innocent passage can be suspended by the costal state while transit passage cannot be.

Did you actually look at my post before replying? Or you simply saw that I used the Panama Canal as an example and you assume I think SCS and Panama Canal is the same thing?

WHERE DID I COMPARE THE ACTUAL SOUTH CHINA SEA TO PANAMA CANAL?

I have compared the STATUS of SCS and Panama Canal. Both Status is the same while SCS is on the high seas and Panama Canal is an international waterway. Which as I explained before, High Seas and International Waterway share the same right and are of equal status. You cannot build military structure in international waterway, as with you cannot build military structure high seas.

As I said in my previous post, if you don't like my Panama Canal example, I can use the Principality of Sealand as an example.

This is the second time this happen, you are seeing something I did not say. Suggest that you go find an eye doctor or a brain doctor for a quick check up, cause you are seeing things that weren't there.

Read the definition of international waterway in your own post.

In International Law, international waterways are straits, canals, and rivers that connect two areas of the high seas or enable ocean shipping to reach interior ports on international seas, gulfs, or lakes that otherwise would be land-locked. International waterways also may be rivers that serve as international boundaries or traverse successively two or more states. Ships have a right of passage through international waterways.

The South China Sea by definition does not fall into the category of international waterway, or you can designate the entire world's ocean as international waterway. The below article is the only relevant restriction on artificial structures that it should not interfere with the use of recognized sea lanes. It is designed for narrow waterway and can't certainly be applied to vast sea, as I have yet to see anyone use that article as a justification against the Chinese construction.

Article 60
Artificial islands, installations and structures in the exclusive economic zone
7. Artificial islands, installations and structures and the safety zones around them may not be established where interference may be caused to the use of recognized sea lanes essential to international navigation.