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dear counterfeiting master from viet nam:
please refer to the original documents of geneva accord:
Geneva Accords
if find 'island' in this doc, you will find it always has an adjective, 'coastal'.
i guess you know more or less english, right?
so,
STOP lying that geneva accord offered SCS islands to south viet nam.
to say the least, even if it is true on the faked geneva accord by you, it is south viet, not the viet you are living in.
please refer to the original documents of geneva accord:
Geneva Accords
if find 'island' in this doc, you will find it always has an adjective, 'coastal'.
i guess you know more or less english, right?
so,
STOP lying that geneva accord offered SCS islands to south viet nam.
to say the least, even if it is true on the faked geneva accord by you, it is south viet, not the viet you are living in.
China PRC and North Vietnam VDR signed, don't deny the truth, kid. Territory of South Vietnam is from 17 parrarrel to southerner maniland and Islands.
With declaration 1958. China swallowed your signature.
Stone Mark from time of Annam Empire.
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Why China PRC shoot up a mouth when France Colonial Army stationed in Islands until 1956 ?
You can not deny that China agreed with France about that Islands belong to South Vietnam after 1954.
China has nothing. China can stop lying.
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Until, 1988, no Chinese ever put a foot onto any reef of Spratly.
At this moment, Chinese doesn't have any island, only some submersible rocks not suitable to everyday living.
It strengthen the fact that, China never has the territory of Spratlys.
the international file, black and white, viet cannot perform their best faking tech over it, so they turn to the cheap talk.
in 1956, KMT gov. of china who retreated from mainland of china to taiwan, cannot support the military stationary over all SCS islands any more, so that your cheap Philippine and south viet can dare to declare that islands were found in nansha.
china has.
the largest island of nansha, taiping island, is still under control of ROC army/police now
but it is also ROC in taiwan who let you viet and phil have a good chance.
think about it, if every reefs always have china army stationed since 1946, there will never be any chance of your cheap provocation.
both viet and phil made use of the weakness caused by the china civil war to steal or rob china's islands, that's the whole truth.
in 1956, KMT gov. of china who retreated from mainland of china to taiwan, cannot support the military stationary over all SCS islands any more, so that your cheap Philippine and south viet can dare to declare that islands were found in nansha.
china has.
the largest island of nansha, taiping island, is still under control of ROC army/police now
but it is also ROC in taiwan who let you viet and phil have a good chance.
think about it, if every reefs always have china army stationed since 1946, there will never be any chance of your cheap provocation.
both viet and phil made use of the weakness caused by the china civil war to steal or rob china's islands, that's the whole truth.
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The geography textbook for ninth grade students published by Vietnam's Educational Press in 1974 recognized the Xisha Islands and Nansha Islands as Chinese territory in the lesson entitled "The People's Republic of China".It reads:"The chain of islands from the Nansha and Xisha Islands to Hainan Island,Taiwan Island,the Penghu Island and the Zhoushan Islands are shaped like a bow and constitute a Great Wall defending the China mainland."
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we need not just theseSo the U.S. is telling China it can take all the fish and oil it can grab – but don’t try to stop any ships along the way.
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What we need is just oil and fish
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Philippines plays catch-up in developing disputed Isle
Simone Orendain
June 17, 2014 10:12 AM
MANILA — The Philippines' top diplomat this week called for a moratorium on building activities by China that he says “escalate tension” on hotly-contested features in the South China Sea. At the same time, Philippine officials and concerned citizens are trying to keep the country’s only civilian-inhabited island in the disputed Spratly Islands habitable for its tiny population.
About 150 people chanted, “Get out China!” at a recent rally in Manila’s business district protesting China’s reclamation activity at several reefs in the Spratly Islands.
Carlos Celdran, a Manila artist and historian who was among them, says the ongoing dispute between China and the Philippines is all about tapping the resources in the South China Sea. Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam and Taiwan also have claims in the sea, which has abundant fishing, potentially huge hydrocarbon reserves and is a heavily travelled trade route.
Celdran says China doing reclamation work, drilling in contested waters and taking other actions to assert its claims is “so old-fashioned.”
But he also says Filipinos should “get involved [in] the issue.”
“We completely dropped the ball when it came to developing Pagasa shoal and the Kalayaan Islands," Celdran said. " It’s completely unsustainable. It’s an empty island with no water, no infrastructure, no electricity. So the threat of people leaving that island and leaving it empty for [China] to come in is really high.”
Celdran refers to the Spratlys by their local name, the Kalayaan Group of Islands. The Philippines claims nine islands, reefs and shoals in the Spratlys, which has hundreds of formations. Among them, the 37-hectare Pagasa Island, internationally known as Thitu, has up to 150 mostly civilian residents at any given time.
A few months ago, Celdran and a small group of friends created a fledgling project to support Thitu. Their goal is to bolster its infrastructure and education system, which Celdran says is “totally doable.” They plan to send water filtration and solar power systems. So far, they have delivered elementary schoolbooks to the 30 children attending the one-room school.
Kalayaan Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon had the school built two years ago. He says before that children attended school in Palawan, an island province some 500 kilometers to the east.
Bito-onon says Thitu municipality’s residents are mostly local government workers and fisherfolk. He says it is at the lowest end of the country’s socio-economic structure. Its budget for social services and infrastructure is $223,000.00, a slight increase over last year.
Bito-onon says this is barely enough to offer basic services, such as healthcare. There is no doctor on the island, whose airport runway is unusable.
“But if we have facilities, relevant facilities like a good airport, a civilianized airport and there are regular flights and then we have a nice harbor and good sea craft, everything will just go normal. No problem,” Bito-onon said.
On Monday China’s Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Hua Chunying said the Philippines’ call for stopping construction activities in the South China Sea islands was “totally unreasonable.” She said China, which says it has “indisputable sovereignty” over about 90 percent of the South China Sea, had a right to do what it wanted on its claimed territory. Hua says the Philippines has illegally occupied some of the disputed islands and is carrying out construction work.
But Ian Storey, a senior fellow at Singapore’s Institute of Southeast Asian Studies says the Philippines is simply “playing catch-up” to its neighbors. Some of them have well-developed infrastructure on their claimed islands.
“It’s one thing to repair a runway or to add… what the Philippines is doing, maybe adding a school, that kind of thing. It’s quite another to do reclamation work,” Storey said.
Storey points out under a non-binding agreement between the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations and China there is nothing that prohibits upgrading of existing features. However, he says reclamation stretches the limits and “violates the spirit” of the declaration.
Officials suspect China’s reclamation work is laying the groundwork for military infrastructure.
Another analyst, Sam Bateman with the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore, says how the reclamation work will be used to justify maritime claims in the future could stir tensions further.
He says the Philippines non-military goals at Thitu help strengthen its claims.
Simone Orendain
June 17, 2014 10:12 AM
MANILA — The Philippines' top diplomat this week called for a moratorium on building activities by China that he says “escalate tension” on hotly-contested features in the South China Sea. At the same time, Philippine officials and concerned citizens are trying to keep the country’s only civilian-inhabited island in the disputed Spratly Islands habitable for its tiny population.
About 150 people chanted, “Get out China!” at a recent rally in Manila’s business district protesting China’s reclamation activity at several reefs in the Spratly Islands.
Carlos Celdran, a Manila artist and historian who was among them, says the ongoing dispute between China and the Philippines is all about tapping the resources in the South China Sea. Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam and Taiwan also have claims in the sea, which has abundant fishing, potentially huge hydrocarbon reserves and is a heavily travelled trade route.
Celdran says China doing reclamation work, drilling in contested waters and taking other actions to assert its claims is “so old-fashioned.”
But he also says Filipinos should “get involved [in] the issue.”
“We completely dropped the ball when it came to developing Pagasa shoal and the Kalayaan Islands," Celdran said. " It’s completely unsustainable. It’s an empty island with no water, no infrastructure, no electricity. So the threat of people leaving that island and leaving it empty for [China] to come in is really high.”
Celdran refers to the Spratlys by their local name, the Kalayaan Group of Islands. The Philippines claims nine islands, reefs and shoals in the Spratlys, which has hundreds of formations. Among them, the 37-hectare Pagasa Island, internationally known as Thitu, has up to 150 mostly civilian residents at any given time.
A few months ago, Celdran and a small group of friends created a fledgling project to support Thitu. Their goal is to bolster its infrastructure and education system, which Celdran says is “totally doable.” They plan to send water filtration and solar power systems. So far, they have delivered elementary schoolbooks to the 30 children attending the one-room school.
Kalayaan Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon had the school built two years ago. He says before that children attended school in Palawan, an island province some 500 kilometers to the east.
Bito-onon says Thitu municipality’s residents are mostly local government workers and fisherfolk. He says it is at the lowest end of the country’s socio-economic structure. Its budget for social services and infrastructure is $223,000.00, a slight increase over last year.
Bito-onon says this is barely enough to offer basic services, such as healthcare. There is no doctor on the island, whose airport runway is unusable.
“But if we have facilities, relevant facilities like a good airport, a civilianized airport and there are regular flights and then we have a nice harbor and good sea craft, everything will just go normal. No problem,” Bito-onon said.
On Monday China’s Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Hua Chunying said the Philippines’ call for stopping construction activities in the South China Sea islands was “totally unreasonable.” She said China, which says it has “indisputable sovereignty” over about 90 percent of the South China Sea, had a right to do what it wanted on its claimed territory. Hua says the Philippines has illegally occupied some of the disputed islands and is carrying out construction work.
But Ian Storey, a senior fellow at Singapore’s Institute of Southeast Asian Studies says the Philippines is simply “playing catch-up” to its neighbors. Some of them have well-developed infrastructure on their claimed islands.
“It’s one thing to repair a runway or to add… what the Philippines is doing, maybe adding a school, that kind of thing. It’s quite another to do reclamation work,” Storey said.
Storey points out under a non-binding agreement between the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations and China there is nothing that prohibits upgrading of existing features. However, he says reclamation stretches the limits and “violates the spirit” of the declaration.
Officials suspect China’s reclamation work is laying the groundwork for military infrastructure.
Another analyst, Sam Bateman with the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore, says how the reclamation work will be used to justify maritime claims in the future could stir tensions further.
He says the Philippines non-military goals at Thitu help strengthen its claims.
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China demands Philippines' withdrawal from Spratly
Manila Bulletin
June 18,2014
China has demanded that the Philippines withdraw all its facilities and personnel in Spratly islands (Nansha islands) in response to the latter's call for a moratorium on all land formation activities in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
In a statement, Chinese Foreign Minister Hua Chunying said that “Since the 1970s, the Philippines has illegally and forcefully occupied parts of China’s Nansha Islands including the Zhongye Island, in violation of the UN Charter and principles of international law."
China has demanded that the Philippines withdraw all its facilities and personnel in Spratly islands (Nansha islands) in response to the latter's call for a moratorium on all land formation activities in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
“We demand the Philippines to withdraw all its facilities and personnel on islands illegally seized from China,” she added.
Hua insisted that China has indisputable sovereignty over the Spratlys islands and its neighboring waters. Hua also accused the Philippines of making provocative actions and irresponsible remarks on “China’s legitimate actions.”
Hua cited that the Philippines earlier announced that it would invest large sums of money to upgrade the airstrips and naval facilities on the Zhongye island (Pagasa island).
She added that in January, the Philippines also announced its plans to build a world-class airport on the so-called Kalayaan group of islands.
“That is unjustifiable. We call on the Philippine side to correct its erroneous actions, strictly follow the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC), and stop provocations that would further aggravate and complicate the situation,” Hua said.
Earlier, the Philippine aerial patrols spotted China’s reclamation works on Mabini Reef. (Mary Rose A. Hogaza)
Manila Bulletin
June 18,2014
China has demanded that the Philippines withdraw all its facilities and personnel in Spratly islands (Nansha islands) in response to the latter's call for a moratorium on all land formation activities in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
In a statement, Chinese Foreign Minister Hua Chunying said that “Since the 1970s, the Philippines has illegally and forcefully occupied parts of China’s Nansha Islands including the Zhongye Island, in violation of the UN Charter and principles of international law."
China has demanded that the Philippines withdraw all its facilities and personnel in Spratly islands (Nansha islands) in response to the latter's call for a moratorium on all land formation activities in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).
“We demand the Philippines to withdraw all its facilities and personnel on islands illegally seized from China,” she added.
Hua insisted that China has indisputable sovereignty over the Spratlys islands and its neighboring waters. Hua also accused the Philippines of making provocative actions and irresponsible remarks on “China’s legitimate actions.”
Hua cited that the Philippines earlier announced that it would invest large sums of money to upgrade the airstrips and naval facilities on the Zhongye island (Pagasa island).
She added that in January, the Philippines also announced its plans to build a world-class airport on the so-called Kalayaan group of islands.
“That is unjustifiable. We call on the Philippine side to correct its erroneous actions, strictly follow the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC), and stop provocations that would further aggravate and complicate the situation,” Hua said.
Earlier, the Philippine aerial patrols spotted China’s reclamation works on Mabini Reef. (Mary Rose A. Hogaza)
The geography textbook for ninth grade students published by Vietnam's Educational Press in 1974 recognized the Xisha Islands and Nansha Islands as Chinese territory in the lesson entitled "The People's Republic of China".It reads:"The chain of islands from the Nansha and Xisha Islands to Hainan Island,Taiwan Island,the Penghu Island and the Zhoushan Islands are shaped like a bow and constitute a Great Wall defending the China mainland."
China and North Vietnam signed in to Geneva Accords, Islands belong to South Vietnam, North Vietnam didn't have right about Islands of South Vietnam.
The letter didn't mentioned about Island, it said about 12 miles only.
this is a classified PRC government map from 1969 and that it lists the "Senkaku islands" as Japanese territory.
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US-made gunboats boost PH sea patrol
Agence France-Presse
Wednesday, June 18th, 2014
MARITIME MUSCLE Members of the Philippine Maritime Police special boat unit maneuver a US-made gunboat as they simulate the apprehension of poachers during a training exercise off Honda Bay in Puerto Princesa City in this photo taken on June 6. The gunboat packs a top speed of more than 83 kilometers per hour (45 knots) and has the capability to operate at night and is equipped with a radar. It is manned by police officers who underwent special training from US Navy Seals. AFP
HONDA BAY, Palawan—After a short, intense chase, two Philippine Maritime Police gunboats catch up with an illegal fishing vessel and circle it like menacing sharks, their armed commandos poised to rappel onboard.
“Their first reaction is to flee, but they stop once they realize they cannot outrun us,” the boat captain, John Rey Zumarraga, said during a training exercise in Honda Bay off the western island of Palawan.
With top speeds of 83 kilometers an hour (45 knots), modern radar systems and elite Marine officers, the 10-meter Special Boat Unit vessels are bad news for illegal fishermen.
Set up four years ago with funding from the US government, which also donated the gunboats and provided Navy Seal training, the unit’s mission is to patrol the nearly 2,000-km coast of the strategically located province.
Combating human trafficking is one part of its mission, but most of its time and resources are spent on trying to stop poaching of rare fish and other endangered wildlife in and around Palawan, which lies astride the South China Sea.
“Without those (gunboats) the poachers would be laughing at us,” said the unit’s chief administrative officer, Insp. Bryan Espinosa.
Achilles heel
But the unit has an Achilles heel or two: With just six boats and a tiny fuel budget, it cannot come close to adequately patroling the waters around Palawan and into the West Philippine Sea.
“The area is too vast to be patroled,” Espinosa conceded.
Nevertheless, the boat unit has been involved in the arrests of hundreds of fishermen, many of them foreigners, and busts involving Chinese and Vietnamese crews have sent diplomatic shockwaves across the South China Sea.
The unit last month arrested nine Chinese fishermen in the hotly contested West Philippine Sea waters off Palawan and seized their boat, which police said contained hundreds of endangered hawksbill sea turtles, many of them dead.
Most of the unit’s work is restricted to just off the coast of Palawan, which is indisputably Philippine territory.
However, the Chinese bust occurred more than 100 km off Palawan in a part of the South China Sea that the Philippines insists it has sovereign rights over but is also claimed by China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan.
Indisputably PH’s
The arrests fueled a decades-long but increasingly bitter row between the Philippines and China over their competing claims to parts of the sea, and the Chinese government demanded the fishermen be immediately released.
China insists it has sovereign rights to nearly all of the South China Sea, including waters more than 1,000 km from its most southern major landmass and just 40 or 50 km from Palawan.
The Philippines has held its ground in the case, maintaining the fishermen must be brought to justice for harvesting a rare and protected species, a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in jail.
The Chinese crew have appeared in court at Puerto Princesa City for initial proceedings in what is expected to be a lengthy judicial process. They have pleaded not guilty.
They are in jail with dozens of Vietnamese arrested near Palawan’s most southern tip in waters that indisputably belong to the Philippines.
Plea bargain
Twelve of those fishermen offered last week to switch to guilty pleas and pay fines in exchange for their immediate release. The chief Palawan state prosecutor, Alen Rodriguez, said plea bargains were common.
“Bringing about convictions is quite easy, especially as they often resort to plea bargains,” Rodriguez told Agence France-Presse (AFP).
In 2011, the unit was also involved in a joint operation with the military that led to the arrest of 122 Vietnamese, the biggest illegal fishing bust in recent memory. They served jail terms of about six months, then were sent home.
Rodriguez said most foreigners charged with illegal fishing served sentences ranging from six months to four years.
Scarce fish
The Chinese detained last week face longer prison terms because their case involves an endangered species, rather than just illegal fishing.
Fishermen from China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam have for centuries shared the South China Sea’s riches, mostly peacefully.
But in recent decades, competition for increasingly scarce fish stocks has heightened as populations in Asian nations have boomed, forcing fishermen to travel further from home and closer to foreign coasts for their hauls.
“They know fully well that they are fishing beyond their territorial waters. Their vessels are equipped with GPS (global positioning system),” said the boat unit’s spokesman, Insp. Raymond Abella.
Not enough
The unit is expanding, with a new station being built near Malaysia and another one planned for the sea border with Indonesia.
However, Abella conceded this still would not be nearly enough to counter the growing problem of foreign fishing incursions.
“Palawan has a lot of resources that are no longer available where they come from, and it is relatively easy to get them. They know that policing here is not as strict, that’s why they continue to come here,” he said.
There are no police gunboats to patrol the rest of the country’s coastline, the fourth longest in the world.
The safeguarding of marine resources along the rest of the Philippines’ coastline is left to the poorly equipped Navy and Coast Guard, which is generally preoccupied with other duties.
Agence France-Presse
Wednesday, June 18th, 2014
MARITIME MUSCLE Members of the Philippine Maritime Police special boat unit maneuver a US-made gunboat as they simulate the apprehension of poachers during a training exercise off Honda Bay in Puerto Princesa City in this photo taken on June 6. The gunboat packs a top speed of more than 83 kilometers per hour (45 knots) and has the capability to operate at night and is equipped with a radar. It is manned by police officers who underwent special training from US Navy Seals. AFP
HONDA BAY, Palawan—After a short, intense chase, two Philippine Maritime Police gunboats catch up with an illegal fishing vessel and circle it like menacing sharks, their armed commandos poised to rappel onboard.
“Their first reaction is to flee, but they stop once they realize they cannot outrun us,” the boat captain, John Rey Zumarraga, said during a training exercise in Honda Bay off the western island of Palawan.
With top speeds of 83 kilometers an hour (45 knots), modern radar systems and elite Marine officers, the 10-meter Special Boat Unit vessels are bad news for illegal fishermen.
Set up four years ago with funding from the US government, which also donated the gunboats and provided Navy Seal training, the unit’s mission is to patrol the nearly 2,000-km coast of the strategically located province.
Combating human trafficking is one part of its mission, but most of its time and resources are spent on trying to stop poaching of rare fish and other endangered wildlife in and around Palawan, which lies astride the South China Sea.
“Without those (gunboats) the poachers would be laughing at us,” said the unit’s chief administrative officer, Insp. Bryan Espinosa.
Achilles heel
But the unit has an Achilles heel or two: With just six boats and a tiny fuel budget, it cannot come close to adequately patroling the waters around Palawan and into the West Philippine Sea.
“The area is too vast to be patroled,” Espinosa conceded.
Nevertheless, the boat unit has been involved in the arrests of hundreds of fishermen, many of them foreigners, and busts involving Chinese and Vietnamese crews have sent diplomatic shockwaves across the South China Sea.
The unit last month arrested nine Chinese fishermen in the hotly contested West Philippine Sea waters off Palawan and seized their boat, which police said contained hundreds of endangered hawksbill sea turtles, many of them dead.
Most of the unit’s work is restricted to just off the coast of Palawan, which is indisputably Philippine territory.
However, the Chinese bust occurred more than 100 km off Palawan in a part of the South China Sea that the Philippines insists it has sovereign rights over but is also claimed by China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan.
Indisputably PH’s
The arrests fueled a decades-long but increasingly bitter row between the Philippines and China over their competing claims to parts of the sea, and the Chinese government demanded the fishermen be immediately released.
China insists it has sovereign rights to nearly all of the South China Sea, including waters more than 1,000 km from its most southern major landmass and just 40 or 50 km from Palawan.
The Philippines has held its ground in the case, maintaining the fishermen must be brought to justice for harvesting a rare and protected species, a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in jail.
The Chinese crew have appeared in court at Puerto Princesa City for initial proceedings in what is expected to be a lengthy judicial process. They have pleaded not guilty.
They are in jail with dozens of Vietnamese arrested near Palawan’s most southern tip in waters that indisputably belong to the Philippines.
Plea bargain
Twelve of those fishermen offered last week to switch to guilty pleas and pay fines in exchange for their immediate release. The chief Palawan state prosecutor, Alen Rodriguez, said plea bargains were common.
“Bringing about convictions is quite easy, especially as they often resort to plea bargains,” Rodriguez told Agence France-Presse (AFP).
In 2011, the unit was also involved in a joint operation with the military that led to the arrest of 122 Vietnamese, the biggest illegal fishing bust in recent memory. They served jail terms of about six months, then were sent home.
Rodriguez said most foreigners charged with illegal fishing served sentences ranging from six months to four years.
Scarce fish
The Chinese detained last week face longer prison terms because their case involves an endangered species, rather than just illegal fishing.
Fishermen from China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam have for centuries shared the South China Sea’s riches, mostly peacefully.
But in recent decades, competition for increasingly scarce fish stocks has heightened as populations in Asian nations have boomed, forcing fishermen to travel further from home and closer to foreign coasts for their hauls.
“They know fully well that they are fishing beyond their territorial waters. Their vessels are equipped with GPS (global positioning system),” said the boat unit’s spokesman, Insp. Raymond Abella.
Not enough
The unit is expanding, with a new station being built near Malaysia and another one planned for the sea border with Indonesia.
However, Abella conceded this still would not be nearly enough to counter the growing problem of foreign fishing incursions.
“Palawan has a lot of resources that are no longer available where they come from, and it is relatively easy to get them. They know that policing here is not as strict, that’s why they continue to come here,” he said.
There are no police gunboats to patrol the rest of the country’s coastline, the fourth longest in the world.
The safeguarding of marine resources along the rest of the Philippines’ coastline is left to the poorly equipped Navy and Coast Guard, which is generally preoccupied with other duties.
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Q and A: 'Brave, patriotic' Vietnam challenges China
'We don't fear anything,' the Vietnamese ambassador tells Rappler as he slams China's 'dream' to claim the entire South China Sea
MANILA, Philippines – “We are enraged. We are very angry.”
With words as firm as these, the Vietnamese ambassador denounced China's “dream” of a 9-dash line, the demarcation mark that China uses to claim virtually the entire South China Sea.
“We don't fear anything,” Vietnamese Ambassador to the Philippines Truong Trieu Duong told Rappler.
Vietnam, after all, has a long tradition of ejecting its conquerors – including China, in 938 AD – throughout its 2,000-year history.
Duong sat down for a wide-ranging interview on May 29, which covered Vietnam's thoughts on China as well as the United States, their country's next possible moves, and its views on the Philippines in the South China Sea dispute.
The following stories on Rappler covered two main points from the interview:
Below, Rappler is publishing other parts of the interview about the country Duong described as “brave and patriotic.”
RAPPLER: Your country has a long history of fighting and defeating colonizers. And recently we see the Vietnamese engaging in some riots related to the sea dispute. Where do these sentiments come from?
DUONG: I think that actually, we are enraged. We are very angry about what China has done in the South China Sea, and sometimes this sentiment has been demonstrated, but some people have actually overreacted, and we really, in the government, are opposed to that. We don't agree. We don't agree. And that's why we have tried to help all those enterprises and the business community and those who have been affected by those riots. And we are trying, we bring the violators to court, and there are several violators, and those who some kind of incite people. And as I told you, we don't agree with that. And that's why we are trying to help to bring law back to order, and now most of the factories that have been ransacked and actually they have come back to business and production as usual already. So things are calming down.
RAPPLER: Mr Ambassador, given your long history, the temperament of your people, the attitudes in Vietnam, and the culture – the Vietnamese spirit, if we can call it that – why are there very, very strong feelings about the South China Sea or East Sea dispute?
DUONG: Actually, we have a tradition of defending our land, our motherland. It's been such a long history; otherwise, we would not survive until now. We always are ready to stand up against any kind of invasion and aggression, either on land or even in the sea. And these are our legacy, our ancestors left for us, and we want to defend it. It's our sentiment. It's a very, very sentimental feeling that we always have – to keep it. The South China Sea, the Paracels, as well as the Spratly Islands belong to us, for thousands of years already. So we cannot let others come and conquer.
RAPPLER: In a few adjectives how would you describe the Vietnamese people?
DUONG: We are a brave and patriotic people.
RAPPLER: That's how you were brought up.
DUONG: Exactly.
RAPPLER: How much does Vietnam need the United States in the South China Sea issue?
DUONG: Well, actually, we always want the US to play an important role here.... There must be somebody who can stand strongly against, well, the big guy over there.... So there's no peaceful rise about China. China is always saying that it just has a kind of a peaceful rise of China right now, but indeed, it's not peaceful at all. And there must be somebody. Or Vietnam, we've been living with the Chinese for thousands of years, so we know how to drive them back and how to survive. But still, in this world, sometimes it's not very easy. And war should be the last resort that we should use in this present situation.
RAPPLER: What are you fears right now in relation to this dispute? Your country's fears?
DUONG: Fears? In fact, we stand ready for anything that can happen. Fear is not the right word that we have right now. We don't fear anything. We do not fear anything. We would be ready to encounter what comes next.
RAPPLER: Where do you see this dispute going in the near future?
DUONG: That would be a very, very difficult question to answer. But I do hope that China will feel and see what will be good for them if it does not want to stand alone against the whole world. Because nobody's supporting China right now. You can see that. Everybody's blaming China.... Even the US, the Philippines, and many others. Japan, Korea, Australia, the EU, everybody is just blaming China.
RAPPLER: What message do you want to send China?
DUONG: Be reasonable. Be reasonable, and act like a responsible member of the international community.
RAPPLER: Do you have any other thoughts that we may not have covered?
DUONG: Well, I think that's enough. Maybe the only thing that I really want to stress right now is that Vietnam and the Philippines, we've got to be united, and stand united. We will win.
RAPPLER: That pronoun is interesting – “we.”
DUONG: Yeah, "we" means the Vietnamese people and the Filipino people.
RAPPLER: So right now your mindset is...
DUONG: We are on the same side.
Q and A: 'Brave, patriotic' Vietnam challenges China
'We don't fear anything,' the Vietnamese ambassador tells Rappler as he slams China's 'dream' to claim the entire South China Sea
MANILA, Philippines – “We are enraged. We are very angry.”
With words as firm as these, the Vietnamese ambassador denounced China's “dream” of a 9-dash line, the demarcation mark that China uses to claim virtually the entire South China Sea.
“We don't fear anything,” Vietnamese Ambassador to the Philippines Truong Trieu Duong told Rappler.
Vietnam, after all, has a long tradition of ejecting its conquerors – including China, in 938 AD – throughout its 2,000-year history.
Duong sat down for a wide-ranging interview on May 29, which covered Vietnam's thoughts on China as well as the United States, their country's next possible moves, and its views on the Philippines in the South China Sea dispute.
The following stories on Rappler covered two main points from the interview:
Below, Rappler is publishing other parts of the interview about the country Duong described as “brave and patriotic.”
RAPPLER: Your country has a long history of fighting and defeating colonizers. And recently we see the Vietnamese engaging in some riots related to the sea dispute. Where do these sentiments come from?
DUONG: I think that actually, we are enraged. We are very angry about what China has done in the South China Sea, and sometimes this sentiment has been demonstrated, but some people have actually overreacted, and we really, in the government, are opposed to that. We don't agree. We don't agree. And that's why we have tried to help all those enterprises and the business community and those who have been affected by those riots. And we are trying, we bring the violators to court, and there are several violators, and those who some kind of incite people. And as I told you, we don't agree with that. And that's why we are trying to help to bring law back to order, and now most of the factories that have been ransacked and actually they have come back to business and production as usual already. So things are calming down.
RAPPLER: Mr Ambassador, given your long history, the temperament of your people, the attitudes in Vietnam, and the culture – the Vietnamese spirit, if we can call it that – why are there very, very strong feelings about the South China Sea or East Sea dispute?
DUONG: Actually, we have a tradition of defending our land, our motherland. It's been such a long history; otherwise, we would not survive until now. We always are ready to stand up against any kind of invasion and aggression, either on land or even in the sea. And these are our legacy, our ancestors left for us, and we want to defend it. It's our sentiment. It's a very, very sentimental feeling that we always have – to keep it. The South China Sea, the Paracels, as well as the Spratly Islands belong to us, for thousands of years already. So we cannot let others come and conquer.
RAPPLER: In a few adjectives how would you describe the Vietnamese people?
DUONG: We are a brave and patriotic people.
RAPPLER: That's how you were brought up.
DUONG: Exactly.
RAPPLER: How much does Vietnam need the United States in the South China Sea issue?
DUONG: Well, actually, we always want the US to play an important role here.... There must be somebody who can stand strongly against, well, the big guy over there.... So there's no peaceful rise about China. China is always saying that it just has a kind of a peaceful rise of China right now, but indeed, it's not peaceful at all. And there must be somebody. Or Vietnam, we've been living with the Chinese for thousands of years, so we know how to drive them back and how to survive. But still, in this world, sometimes it's not very easy. And war should be the last resort that we should use in this present situation.
RAPPLER: What are you fears right now in relation to this dispute? Your country's fears?
DUONG: Fears? In fact, we stand ready for anything that can happen. Fear is not the right word that we have right now. We don't fear anything. We do not fear anything. We would be ready to encounter what comes next.
RAPPLER: Where do you see this dispute going in the near future?
DUONG: That would be a very, very difficult question to answer. But I do hope that China will feel and see what will be good for them if it does not want to stand alone against the whole world. Because nobody's supporting China right now. You can see that. Everybody's blaming China.... Even the US, the Philippines, and many others. Japan, Korea, Australia, the EU, everybody is just blaming China.
RAPPLER: What message do you want to send China?
DUONG: Be reasonable. Be reasonable, and act like a responsible member of the international community.
RAPPLER: Do you have any other thoughts that we may not have covered?
DUONG: Well, I think that's enough. Maybe the only thing that I really want to stress right now is that Vietnam and the Philippines, we've got to be united, and stand united. We will win.
RAPPLER: That pronoun is interesting – “we.”
DUONG: Yeah, "we" means the Vietnamese people and the Filipino people.
RAPPLER: So right now your mindset is...
DUONG: We are on the same side.
Q and A: 'Brave, patriotic' Vietnam challenges China
