South China Sea Forum

[xesy]

no, china cannot win every combats during the war in the history. it is not a shame if every soldiers have tried their best.

if what you imaged is really so, then viet namese were the most lucky slaves ever since.
after viet nam got independence, we can see nothing but a series of civil wars between north and south, and one regicide after another. every times, china army had to make help on rebuilding the order after got invitation from one side of your viet guys.

Slavery is no good. Even if ancient Vietnamese were lucky, they would be discarded, replaced if their Chinese masters felt like it.

About the Trinh-Nguyen war, it only lasted less than 50 years in the 17th century. Most of other wars were against Chinese dynasties.

 

[Soryu]

　“Comrade Prime Minister,
　　We have the honour to bring to your knowledge that the Government of the DRVN recognizes and supports the declaration dated 4th September, 1958 of the Government of the PRC fixing the width of the Chinese territorial waters. The Government of the DRVN respects this decision and will give instructions to its State bodies to respect the 12-mile width of the territorial waters of China in all their relations in the maritime field with the PRC. I address to you, comrade Prime Minister, the assurance of my distinguished consideration”.

Yeah, Buddy, we respect your 12nm territorial waters which's discusses inside UN at 1958, and only 12nm, no more, nothing about your cow tongue shape 9-dash-lines ...

 

[areal]

yes, it is not so accurate for a map in 18 century, but much more accurate than your forged old maps.
this map also not intentionally prove xishan belonged to china, but firmly proved that paracel is different from xisha, and xishan never belonged to vietnam as you viet gov. and people claimed paracel belongs to you, yes, your paracel is yours, we admit, but it has nothing with xishan islands.

sorry, buddy, this map can't prove Paracel Islands belong to China ...

It's simply a old map was draw not accurate in that time, many location were not exact like modern map.

And beside, your fellow Chinese always denied many other Western maps which's prove Paracel belong to Vietnam. Don't you see it's contradictions between your debate !?

China claim is all SCS, and it's baseless 9-dash-lines is joke ...

there is no place in geneva accord to show islands belonged to south vietnam. stop lying and counterfeiting international documents.
the geneva accord was only for dividing viet nam into two parts since your south and north peoples never can be live together peacefully from a very old times.

China and North Vietnam signed in to Geneva Accords 1954. Both agreed that Islands belong to South Vietnam
North Vietnam didn't have right over Islands of South Vietnam.

So, letter didn't mentioned about Islands of South Vietnam.

 

[xesy]

yes, it is not so accurate for a map in 18 century, but much more accurate than your forged old maps.
this map also not intentionally prove xishan belonged to china, but firmly proved that paracel is different from xisha, and xishan never belonged to vietnam as you viet gov. and people claimed paracel belongs to you, yes, your paracel is yours, we admit, but it has nothing with xishan islands.



there is no place in geneva accord to show islands belonged to south vietnam. stop lying and counterfeiting international documents.
the geneva accord was only for dividing viet nam into two parts since your south and north peoples never can be live together peacefully from a very old times.

The map is either forged or old, can't be either at the same time.
And the Geneva accord was dividing Vietnam for the US and CCCP to influence. Saying the north and south Vietnamese did not get along is like saying Beijing people do not get along with Hongkong people. And there was a planned election the year after Geneva, but the south Vietnam temporary govt refused to participate, so war broke out.

 

[Soryu]

yes, it is not so accurate for a map in 18 century, but much more accurate than your forged old maps.
this map also not intentionally prove xishan belonged to china, but firmly proved that paracel is different from xisha, and xishan never belonged to vietnam as you viet gov. and people claimed paracel belongs to you, yes, your paracel is yours, we admit, but it has nothing with xishan islands.

there is no place in geneva accord to show islands belonged to south vietnam. stop lying and counterfeiting international documents.
the geneva accord was only for dividing viet nam into two parts since your south and north peoples never can be live together peacefully from a very old times.

Yes, kid, we admit Xisha and Nansha and more of any bullshjt belong to China.

And sure, Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam . Their location in modern map :

And where're Xisha and Nansha Islands on map that you bring up !?

P/S: Do you know why there's only you here to debate idiot ideal about that map, but not senior or elite Chinese member !?

Simply, they know that shjt can't fool no one but some idiots ....

 

[areal]

hi, poor viet guy, you never go abroad, right? i suppose you get a too low salary to go outside your snake country due to year by year continuous record inflation in viet nam, i completely understand that.
so you never know that google maps will show different versions for different countries.
because google inc. need viet nam market, so they label the names in your favorite, that's all.

Yes, kid, we admit Xisha and Nansha and more of any bullshjt belong to China.

And sure, Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam . Their location in modern map :

And where're Xisha and Nansha Islands on map that you bring up !?

P/S: Do you know why there's only you here to debate idiot ideal about that map, but not senior or elite Chinese member !?

Simply, they know that shjt can't fool no one but some idiots ....

 

[areal]

so funny that a guy from a liar-making country can speak out a word 'forge'.
be more careful to see the notations of that map, not only ONE map, but also a group of western maps were so.

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how vietnam gov. and its employed researchers provide the ancient evidence, books and maps, to show xisha and nansha related to vietnam?
simply, search all documents that they can find, copy every words like hoang sa, truong sa, and paracel, without any textual research with the least scientific proof, always suppose that hoang sa=xisha, paracel=xisha, truong sa=nansha, no matter in all maps even from their faked versions, all these 'hoang sa, truong sa' were so out-of-proportion close to the coast of viet nam,
if history study can be so easy so cheap, then viet nam must lead the study over this area.

The map is either forged or old, can't be either at the same time.
And the Geneva accord was dividing Vietnam for the US and CCCP to influence. Saying the north and south Vietnamese did not get along is like saying Beijing people do not get along with Hongkong people. And there was a planned election the year after Geneva, but the south Vietnam temporary govt refused to participate, so war broke out.

 

[Soryu]

hi, poor viet guy, you never go abroad, right? i suppose you get a too low salary to go outside your snake country due to year by year continuous record inflation in viet nam, i completely understand that.
so you never know that google maps will show different versions for different countries.
because google inc. need viet nam market, so they label the names in your favorite, that's all.

sure, sure, keep with it, google map ... you're so smart ...

 

[Eliter]

World Atlas printed in May 1972 by the Burean of Survey and Cartography under the Office of the Premier of Viet Nam

 

[xesy]

so funny that a guy from a liar-making country can speak out a word 'forge'.
be more careful to see the notations of that map, not only ONE map, but also a group of western maps were so.

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how vietnam gov. and its employed researchers provide the ancient evidence, books and maps, to show xisha and nansha related to vietnam?
simply, search all documents that they can find, copy every words like hoang sa, truong sa, and paracel, without any textual research with the least scientific proof, always suppose that hoang sa=xisha, paracel=xisha, truong sa=nansha, no matter in all maps even from their faked versions, all these 'hoang sa, truong sa' were so out-of-proportion close to the coast of viet nam,
if history study can be so easy so cheap, then viet nam must lead the study over this area.

Admit it, before the Westerners came Asia was pretty much blind with no accurate map drawing system or equation. You may say China had accurate maps but those maps must be highly classified and used in military. Pretty sure China would not share that technology with anyone. And even in your maps there were no Paracels or Spartly.

You say that the islands were out of proportion, but look at the world map and point out for me many islands near the mainland of Vietnam. There is none, right? Then did ancient Vietnamese imagine those islands and put it in the map, and for what? Don't say our maps are faked yet, unless you are a historian and have performed tested on our maps.

World Atlas printed in May 1972 by the Burean of Survey and Cartography under the Office of the Premier of Viet Nam

For this to be valid, you have to:
1. Present the physical evidence, i.e the actual book, and there should be proof that's there are more than 1.
2. Prove that the book was published and distributed in North Vietnam in 1972 or later.
3. Documents from Vietnam govt that ordered the change in names of the islands.

 

[Eliter]

南沙群岛,Nansha Qundao,Nansha Islands,Spratly Islands
南薰礁,Nanxun Jiao, Gaven Reef
东门礁,Dongmen Jiao, Hugh Reef or Hughes Reef
赤瓜礁,Chigua Jiao, Johnson Reef
华阳礁,Huayang Jiao, Cuarteron Reef

 

[xesy]

南沙群岛,Nansha Qundao,Nansha Islands,Spratly Islands
南薰礁,Nanxun Jiao, Gaven Reef
东门礁,Dongmen Jiao, Hugh Reef or Hughes Reef
赤瓜礁,Chigua Jiao, Johnson Reef
华阳礁,Huayang Jiao, Cuarteron Reef

Are those the 5 islands China is building bases on?

 

[Soryu]

Are those the 5 islands China is building bases on?

It's not Islands, bro, It's mere rock at before China build their post ...

 

[EastSea]

there is no place in geneva accord to show islands belonged to south vietnam. stop lying and counterfeiting international documents.
the geneva accord was only for dividing viet nam into two parts since your south and north peoples never can be live together peacefully from a very old times.

China PRC and North Vietnam VDR signed, don't deny the truth, kid. Territory of South Vietnam is from 17 parrarrel to southerner maniland and Islands.

With declaration 1958. China swallowed your signature.

Stone Mark from time of Annam Empire.

 

[EastSea]

World Atlas printed in May 1972 by the Burean of Survey and Cartography under the Office of the Premier of Viet Nam

In this map this is a classified PRC government map from 1969 and that it lists the "Senkaku islands" as Japanese territory.

There is no word in Chinese name.


Partial image of map showing Senkaku Islands in World Atlaspublished in China in 1960