South China Sea Forum

[Soryu]

blah blah blah ..........

see this map on how western maps made a mistake on paracel and how this mistake was fully taken advantage of by viet:

http://s15.sinaimg.cn/orignal/564cb1f8gddfbe05fee9e

error image link, kid ...

http://image2.sina.com.cn/blog/tmpl/v3/images/error_link.gif

 

[areal]

more, the following english map shows that paracel is not xisha islands

http://s4.sinaimg.cn/mw690/564cb1f8gddfc2c8fd053&690

http://s4.sinaimg.cn/orignal/564cb1f8gddfc2c8fd053

Sovereignty cannot be seized by force

VietNamNet Bridge - "Mentioning sovereignty is national sovereignty, i.e., sovereignty established and exercised by the State in terms of peace, without dispute, absolutely not sovereignty seized by force," said Prof. Dr. Nguyen Quang Ngoc, the chair of the Council for Appraisal of Artifacts, Historical and Legal Evidence for Vietnam’s Sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly Islands.

The World Atlas (Bruxelles - 1827) by the eminent geographer Philippe Vandermaelen (1795-1869), member of the Paris Geographical Society, includes a map showing that the Paracel Islands belong to Vietnam.
Prof. Dr. of History Nguyen Quang Ngoc was one of the first members of the Council for Appraisal of Artifacts, Historical and Legal Evidence for Vietnam’s Sovereignty over the Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands.

He has long been completing the tasks of assessment, decoding artifacts, compiling historical and legal evidence and arranging them to serve as basis for exhibitions on the Hoang Sa - Truong Sa islands held by the Ministry of Information and Communications.

Ngoc said there is much legal evidence that affirms Vietnam's sovereignty over the two archipelagos of Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, including important and vivid evidence contributed by ordinary people.

Ngoc said the first exhibition of this type was organized by Da Nang City named "Hoang Sa - Truong Sa Documents," mainly the documents about Hoang Sa. The documents are part of ta research project by Dr. Tran Duc Anh Son and some overseas Vietnamese. They include a number of Western maps and Western atlases about China.

When the External Information Department of the Ministry of Information and Communication organized the national exhibition on Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, Mr. Ngoc was invited as the chair of the document evaluation council, which consisted of many experts from the Government Boundary Committee, the Ministry of Science and Technology, the Center for Marine and Maritime Research, the Mapping Bureau, and others.

The Council decided to choose historic Western maps collected by Dr. Tran Duc Anh Son, the Western Atlas about China that had recently been collected in the US, and some old maps and documents of Vietnam, particularly documents called “Chau Ban” (administrative documents of the royal court) as the exhibits in the national exhibition on Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa in the central province of Ha Tinh. The exhibition was a big success.

After each exhibition, the organizers received opinions and materials from the public to enrich their objects, documents and evidence for the next exhibition.

At the exhibition in Thai Nguyen, the organizers added photos of historic maps of the West, proving Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa. These are the photos of the original maps, so the quality is very good, Ngoc said. According to Ngoc, these photos were taken by Dr. Tran Duc Anh Son in France. Among them is a map by Taberd in 1838.

Ngoc said the amount of evidence, both historical and legal, of Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa, is huge. In terms of ancient maps alone, there are several hundred old maps of the West but the council only chose several dozen of the maps for exhibitions. There are also many valuable “chau ban”, particularly those of the Nguyen Dynasty (1802-1945).

Ngoc said sovereignty is national sovereignty, ie sovereignty that is established and enforced by the State in conditions of peace, without dispute, absolutely not sovereignty seized by force, or sovereignty of individuals or factions. Therefore, documents of the state or “chau ban” are the most appreciated in regards to legality.

He emphasized that the “chau ban”, including the reports of ministries and agencies to the emperor on sending boats to Hoang Sa to map and collect marine resources, are unique documents that only Vietnam has. These documents are highly praised for their legal value over Vietnam’s sovereignty of Hoang Sa and Truong Sa.

Di Linh

error image link, kid ...

http://image2.sina.com.cn/blog/tmpl/v3/images/error_link.gif

 

[Soryu]

Of course the map says Paracels and Spratlys belongs to China. That is why it is not labeled as Vietnam territory but labeled as South China Sea. Viet liars will be slaughtered again like we slaughtered your villages in 1979. Monkeys can never escape their fate.

Show me, kid, don't keep your useless talk ...
Follow your idiot logic, so India Ocean should belong to India ...

I feel much impressive more with Nanking party, when China army run like pathetic joke when they're must face with Japanese ...

 

[areal]

more, the following english map shows that paracel is not xisha islands
https://defence.pk/data/attachments/27/27631-7745902e9863e04db0b717cb4335ff7d.jpg

more, the following english map shows that paracel is not xisha islands

 

[DT1010]

more, the following english map shows that paracel is not xisha islands
https://defence.pk/data/attachments/27/27631-7745902e9863e04db0b717cb4335ff7d.jpg

are you an ant?

 

[Soryu]

more, the following english map shows that paracel is not xisha islands
https://defence.pk/data/attachments/27/27631-7745902e9863e04db0b717cb4335ff7d.jpg

LOL, so big map for ant to see ...
This kid is so funny ...

 

[Fukuoka]

Full video of Vietnam harassing Chinese ships in South China Sea

Vietnam even deploys underwater objects like tree trunks and fishing net to sabotage Chinese ships.

 

[Soryu]

I already showed you they are not labeled Vietnam islands but South China Sea islands. You cannot prove they are Vietnam islands because you are a liar. All Viets are liars.

Who give the name SCS then !?
And Who recognized those Islands belong to China, kid !?

If you can answer this fact, so get lost ...

Vietnam even deploys underwater objects like tree trunks and fishing net to sabotage Chinese ships.

poor propaganda ... what's prove they're deployed from Vietnamese side !?

After month of aggressive, finally, Chinese can produce this video like proof that they're victim of Vietnamese harassment

 

[areal]

see this blog for the maps, it is chinese, but the map is still in english in 1799
[转载]以西方古地图反击越南拥有西沙、南沙主权谬论02_liucheng1972_新浪博客
i cannot handle img well even the original img is big enough.

LOL, so big map for ant to see ...
This kid is so funny ...

 

[areal]

next time, china army got invitation, viet should be spilt into three parts, the north returns china, the middle given to laos, the south becomes independent champa state.
as viets, they can go anywhere but should not stay in the places that never legally belonged to them.

don't cry again like this in 1979, kid.

just say something about your respective PM phan, in what situation, he sent the diplomatic letter to make the recognition?
if we have solid official document over there, you still pretend not to see it, then we lose all basis over this serious discussion.

so this world cannot trust or believe in such a country, a people, viet nam, who used to breaking its own word and think this world is as stupid as they are.

Who give the name SCS then !?
And Who recognized those Islands belong to China, kid !?

If you can answer this fact, so get lost ...


poor propaganda ... what's prove they're deployed from Vietnamese side !?

After month of aggressive, finally, Chinese can produce this video like proof that they're victim of Vietnamese harassment

 

[xesy]

next time, china army got invitation, viet should be spilt into three parts, the north returns china, the middle given to laos, the south becomes independent champa state.
as viets, they can go anywhere but should not stay in the places that never legally belonged to them.


just say something about your respective PM phan, in what situation, he sent the diplomatic letter to make the recognition?
if we have solid official document over there, you still pretend not to see it, then we lose all basis over this serious discussion.

so this world cannot trust or believe in such a country, a people, viet nam, who used to breaking its own word and think this world is as stupid as they are.

You expect us to believe in such BS? Unless Laos and Cambodia ally with China, and send troops to fight Vietnam with China, then maybe , maybe China will leave them alone. Or the PLA will take the chance to "liberate" the two countries, and voila, 1 new province for China.

And for the PM Dong letter, let's the lawyers deal with it. The court will decide its validity, not you or me.

 

[xesy]

it is not true, japanese just made a unsuccessful attempt to rule china.
the truth and fact is china ruled viet nam. i am sorry that we showed too much mercy as we ruled your guys.

What about the story of 50 Japanese soldiers to watch 2000 Chinese, and no one dared to fight back?

Ancient Chinese did not kill off ancient Vietnamese because then there would be no slave and labor. Furthermore it would spark more rebels.

 

[Soryu]

see this blog for the maps, it is chinese, but the map is still in english in 1799
[转载]以西方古地图反击越南拥有西沙、南沙主权谬论02_liucheng1972_新浪博客
i cannot handle img well even the original img is big enough.

sorry, buddy, this map can't prove Paracel Islands belong to China ...

It's simply a old map was draw not accurate in that time, many location were not exact like modern map.

And beside, your fellow Chinese always denied many other Western maps which's prove Paracel belong to Vietnam. Don't you see it's contradictions between your debate !?

China claim is all SCS, and it's baseless 9-dash-lines is joke ...

 

[Eliter]

　“Comrade Prime Minister,
　　We have the honour to bring to your knowledge that the Government of the DRVN recognizes and supports the declaration dated 4th September, 1958 of the Government of the PRC fixing the width of the Chinese territorial waters. The Government of the DRVN respects this decision and will give instructions to its State bodies to respect the 12-mile width of the territorial waters of China in all their relations in the maritime field with the PRC. I address to you, comrade Prime Minister, the assurance of my distinguished consideration”.

 

[EastSea]

　“Comrade Prime Minister,
　　We have the honour to bring to your knowledge that the Government of the DRVN recognizes and supports the declaration dated 4th September, 1958 of the Government of the PRC fixing the width of the Chinese territorial waters. The Government of the DRVN respects this decision and will give instructions to its State bodies to respect the 12-mile width of the territorial waters of China in all their relations in the maritime field with the PRC. I address to you, comrade Prime Minister, the assurance of my distinguished consideration”.

China and North Vietnam signed in to Geneva Accords 1954. Both agreed that Islands belong to South Vietnam
North Vietnam didn't have right over Islands of South Vietnam.

So, letter didn't mentioned about Islands of South Vietnam.