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"China is NOT claiming all the water within the nine dash line" ~That is the question the Philippines seek through arbitration~
If everything goes by UNCLOS and China is not claiming all the water within the nine dash line, the Philippines should have its EEZ 200 nm westward from its main islands regardless of who possess the rocks/island/reef in spratly (save 12nm territorial sea). But it is not the case unfortunately as China deter any possible exercise of juridiction of EEZ by the Philippines.

Please educate yourself about UNCLOS;
"REGIME OF ISLANDS
Article 121. Regime of islands

1. An island is a naturally formed area of land, surrounded by water, which is above water at high tide.

2. Except as provided for in paragraph 3, the territorial sea, the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of an island are determined in accordance with the provisions of this Convention applicable to other land territory.

3. Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf."

Most of the reefs/shoal/ and island cannot sustain human habitation or economic life and most are under water at high tide. Only Itu-Aba Island (occupied by Taiwan) can, and only that island can have the EEZ.
Please refer to the case of Okinotorishima by Japan, which has been declared as "rocks" and dont deserve EEZ.
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And because of that, china has been ambiguous to state what exactly the nine-line dash is. This is evident in numerous "stand-off" between China/Vietnam, China/Philippines, China/Indonesia, and China/Malaysia in which China act as if the nine-dash line is its EEZ.

Philippines seeks clarification through PCA (Permanent Court of Arbitration), That is the essence, Look at the word "maritime jurisdiction". It is not even talking about the islands/reefs/rocks.

Please take a look at the arbitration press release.
http://www.pca-cpa.org/showfile.asp?fil_id=2311

"The Philippines v. China arbitration was commenced on 22 January 2013 when the Philippines served China with a Notification and Statement of Claim “with respect to the dispute with China over the maritime jurisdiction of the Philippines in the West Philippine Sea.” On 19 February 2013, China presented the Philippines with a diplomatic note in which it described “the Position of China on the South China Sea issues,” and rejected and returned the Philippines’ Notification. "

As presented by Justice Antonio T. Carpi:
"The Philippines’ arbitration case against China is solely a maritime dispute and does not involve any territorial dispute. The Philippines is asking the tribunal if China’s 9-dashed lines can negate the Philippines’ EEZ as guaranteed under UNCLOS. The Philippines is also asking the tribunal if certain rocks above water at high tide, like Scarborough Shoal, generate a 200 NM EEZ or only a 12 NM territorial sea. The Philippines is further asking the tribunal if China can appropriate low-tide elevations (LTEs), like Mischief Reef and Subi Reef, within the Philippines’ EEZ. These disputes involve the interpretation or application of the provisions of UNCLOS.

The Philippines is not asking the tribunal to delimit by nautical measurements overlapping EEZs between China and the Philippines. The Philippines is also not asking the tribunal what country has sovereignty over an island, or rock above water at high tide, in the West Philippine Sea.

Under UNCLOS, every coastal state is entitled to a 200 NM EEZ, subject to boundary delimitation in case of overlapping EEZs with other coastal states. The EEZ is the area extending to 200 NM measured from the baselines of a coastal state. Under UNCLOS, EEZs must be drawn from baselines of the coast of a continental land or island capable of human habitation of its own. This basic requirement stems from the international law principle that the “land dominates the sea” – or to put it another way, areas in the seas and oceans can be claimed and measured only from land."

I don't know and I don't care what the Philippines government's position is. What I can say from a logical thinking's person point of view that China does not claim the whole body of water in South China Sea..
Those lines were called dashed lines, not SOLID lines.
Those were lines, not CIRCLES.
This tells you part of this body of water is not for China to claim, some belongs to other countries and for international use (international water).

I challenge you to show me an official document from the Chinese government which claims the whole body of water within the 9 dashed lines.
 
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I don't know and I don't care what the Philippines government's position is. What I can say from a logical thinking's person point of view that China does not claim the whole body of water in South China Sea..
Those lines were called dashed lines, not SOLID lines.
Those were lines, not CIRCLES.
This tells you part of this body of water is not for China to claim, some belongs to other countries and for international use (international water).

I challenge you to show me an official document from the Chinese government which claims the whole body of water within the 9 dashed lines.

As I said, China intentionally leaves that ambiguous~ But if logic, as you said, say China is not claiming the nine line dash as its EEZ, why does it have confrontation with Indonesia in Natuna Sea? China don't claim natuna Island, but why did China try to undermine Indonesian EEZ over Natuna Island?

Logic, as you said, concludes that China in some way, treat those nine-line dash, at least surrounding natuna sea, as China's EEZ/territory.

Indonesian EEZ surrounding Natuna Sea is actually less than 200 nm any way, because delimitation has already been concluded between Indonesia/Vietnam and Indonesia/Malaysia
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"Several of these incidents, most recently in March 2013, have occurred between Indonesian and Chinese maritime security forces in Indonesia’s EEZ off Natuna Island. While Indonesia isn’t a claimant state to the disputes in the South China Sea as commonly conceived, Chinese claims as defined under the now infamous ‘nine dash line’ map do overlap with the Indonesian EEZ generated from the Natunas. Despite receiving comparatively little publicity, the incidents that have occurred in this area have been some of the most severe anywhere in the South China Sea, with direct threats of violence at times risking escalation. One particular incident illustrates this kind of encounter. The following is a summary extracted from an Indonesian incident report.

On 26 March 2013, the Indonesian vessel Hiu Macan 001 of the Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Fisheries encountered a Chinese fishing boat operating illegally in the South China Sea, roughly 200km northeast of Natuna Island in waters comprising the Indonesian EEZ. According to an after action report that appeared on an Indonesian military blog, Garuda Militer in September 2013, and was purportedly written by the Captain of the HM 001, the Chinese ship (numbered 58081) was subsequently boarded and all nine Chinese fishermen on board arrested. Despite having transferred these fishermen to his boat on orders from his command headquarters to transport them ashore for further legal proceedings, the Captain would later be forced to release his prisoners following threats and harassment by a Chinese maritime law enforcement (MLE) vessel, Yuzheng 310.

The Yuzheng 310 was preceded on the scene by the Nan Feng, listed as a 66 meter, nearly two thousand ton ‘fishery resources and environmental science research vessel’ of the Chinese Academy of Fisheries Science (CAFS), which began to shadow the HM 001 for several hours. Unlike the Nan Feng, which is unarmed, the Yuzheng 310 is reportedly ‘equipped with machine guns, light cannons and electronic sensors.’ (PDF) Upon arriving on scene, the Yuzheng 310 took command and immediately began to threaten the Indonesian vessel, demanding the release of the Chinese prisoners over bridge to bridge communications while signalling for it to stop with sirens. Outgunned and unable to reach his HQ via satellite phone (which had stopped functioning upon the Yuzheng’s arrival, and later functioned again following its departure), the Captain of the HM 001 made the decision to acquiesce to the Chinese demands out of ‘consideration for the safety of the crew’(Dengan pertimbangan demi keselamatan awak)."
 
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Lets look at it this way, S.Korea occupies Dokdo & refuse to go to UNCLOS with Japan.

Russia occupies Kurile Islands & refuse to recognise the San Francisco Treaty despite Japan's protest.

Same rules apply, China occupies the SCS shaols & refuse to go to UNCLOS with Phillipines.

Japan occupies Diaoyu Island & refuse to recognise the San Francisco Treaty despite China's protest.

Try arguing with that logic.
 
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Should you be on the cross like sweet baby jesus?

Wow your not only stupid but your also ignorant on religion too? go f yourself

Lets look at it this way, S.Korea occupies Dokdo & refuse to go to UNCLOS with Japan.

Russia occupies Kurile Islands & refuse to recognise the San Francisco Treaty despite Japan's protest.

Same rules apply, China occupies the SCS shaols & refuse to go to UNCLOS with Phillipines.

Japan occupies Diaoyu Island & refuse to recognise the San Francisco Treaty despite China's protest.

Try arguing with that logic.

Again china is intenrational law breaker
 
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By VU TRONG KHANH
SGT Apr 15, 2014
Wallstreet Journal ASIA



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Officials did not specify the size of the force, but said that it would be headquartered in Hanoi and would have four divisions throughout country.

According to state media citing Mr. Hai, Vietnam has around 120,000 fishing vessels with around one million people employed in the fishing industry.

In addition to protecting local fishing resources, the surveillance center will also work to prevent and deal with violations of Vietnamese laws that take place in the waters Vietnam claims.

Vietnam and several other countries in the Asia-Pacific region have been embroiled in long-standing territorial disputes with China over parts of the South China Sea.

In recent months China, which claims it has sovereignty over virtually all of the South China Sea, has tried to assert its control over the mineral-rich waters, in part by implementing fishing regulations.

In January, China enacted a new regulation requiring foreign fishermen to obtain Beijing’s consent before operating in parts of the South China Sea that it claims, including the waters near the Paracel islands.

Vietnam responded to that move to say it had “indisputable sovereignty” over the Paracels and Spratlys.

“Any foreign activities not approved by Vietnam in this area are illegal and invalid,” Luong Thanh Nghi, the then-spokesman for Vietnam’s Foreign Ministry, said in January.

Vietnam Launches Force to Keep an Eye on its Waters - Southeast Asia Real Time - WSJ

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more from this 2,500 tons vessel coming soon in the South China Sea
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That's his thing not ours chinaman and it happen in his city but not in his administration so why are so happy? arrogant $c^m
 
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There's not any legal principle for Yuzheng 310 to do so to Indonesian.
That happen because China force is stronger and they act as pre-history era, not follow any international law or rule
 
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more Vietnamese fishing boats to came to Indonesia, our country is kinda tired to tackle all of the intruders first they are fighting against Chinese, Thailand, and finally the Vietnamese
 
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more Vietnamese fishing boats to came to Indonesia, our country is kinda tired to tackle all of the intruders first they are fighting against Chinese, Thailand, and finally the Vietnamese
are you sure those fishermen are Vietnamese? can you distinguish Chinese and Vietnamese?

Perhaps they are Chinese pretending to be Vietnamese. If they are Chinese, you are free to ask those rich Chinese for ransom befor release, if poor Vietnamese, pls let them free. :-)

Good luck against the Chinese coast guard and the Chinese Navy :coffee:
stop!

Vietnam fisheries resources surveillance is a civil authority. You don´t want to send the military against them,do you?


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BEIJING - An unmanned submersible has passed its final field test, marking another step in China's drive to explore deep sea resources.

Named "Haima," or sea horse, the vehicle can dive a depth of 4,500 meters via remote control and has the highest proportion of China-made parts compared with the country's other submersibles, according to a statement released on Tuesday by the Ministry of Science and Technology.

Chinese scientists spent six years developing core technologies and making the machine, which went through multiple improvements following problems and malfunctions during tests in laboratory tanks and the ocean.

During tests, the vehicle achieved a maximum depth of 4,502 meters, and reached the central basin in the South China Sea for tasks such as deploying cables, collecting sedimentary rock samples and photographing.

The ministry said the vehicle enables the country to strengthen its hi-tech exploration of deep sea resources, and the ministry will cooperate with the Ministry of Land and Resources in devising work plans for Haima.

Meanwhile, Qianlong-1, another unmanned submersible still in the trial stage, is designed to travel to a depth of 6,000 meters and will be tasked with exploring the seabed and collecting hydrological data.

In 2012, Jiaolong, the country's most advanced manned submersible, achieved a record dive depth of more than 7,000 meters in the Pacific's Mariana Trench.
 
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