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Ya, it immediately caught me eye too. Satellite pictures are fantastic. Any idea what they do when typhoon comes around.



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Can you please spare us with your incessant rants. Too much and it becomes very annoying. Post something interesting, like what is happening on those islands occupied by Vietnam. Don't just post all and sundry that is anti-China Please. Most of us are not interested in your quarrels. We would like to see new developments and not this quarrel and that quarrel and so on and so forth. Aren't you tired? If you insist, then please leave the Philippines out. Just post what concerns your country. Grrr
as you want: Vietnam construction and land reclamation on ONE island. notice we have lots of islands and reefs :tup:

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this one is nice, too :azn:

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or this :cheers:
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a shelter for all fishermen in need :enjoy:
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but you are doing the opposite, you talk too much and do little :lol:
I agree. I had a good laugh after reading your post. clownish?

as you want: Vietnam construction and land reclamation on ONE island. notice we have lots of islands and reefs :tup:
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Thanks, that's what I thought too. Keep them coming. But you too must agree the recent batch of satellite pic by greyboy2 are simply stunning, especially when they have a track field and what looks like basketball courts. All these practically in the middle of nowhere. Understandable you may not like it, but it is exciting to see how China rapidly built up their islands from nearly nothing.
China have advantage that they are building from scratch. So their islands are stunningly beautiful.
 
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I agree. I had a good laugh after reading your post. clownish?


Thanks, that's what I thought too. Keep them coming. But you too must agree the recent batch of satellite pic by greyboy2 are simply stunning, especially when they have a track field and what looks like basketball courts. All these practically in the middle of nowhere. Understandable you may not like it, but it is exciting to see how China rapidly built up their islands from nearly nothing.
China have advantage that they are building from scratch. So their islands are stunningly beautiful.

many Hua Singaporian had troll here too much, I'm just wander that are you chinese or from other ethnic living in Singapore ?

any case, what china did in such reefs or propaganda for her construction is meaningless. Its showed of the true aggressive habitat of China. PCA ruling said that China doesn't have historic right with nine dashed claim in SCS. Occupation of China is illegal.
 
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many Hua Singaporian had troll here too much, I'm just wander that are you chinese or from other ethnic living in Singapore ?

Is it important?. Chinese members here never consider that when they bombarded me in the thread on Singapore Terrex Vehicles detained in Hong Kong. Its not a good feeling, but I just state my point and move on without being antagonistic.


any case, what china did in such reefs or propaganda for her construction is meaningless. Its showed of the true aggressive habitat of China. PCA ruling said that China doesn't have historic right with nine dashed claim in SCS. Occupation of China is illegal.

Based on your empty words or that Japanese arranged kangaroo 1-sided Tribunal. Suffice to say I am Singaporean, but I lean more towards Chinese views on the South China Sea. You see all these Chinese immigrants in the Philippines and South East Asia long ago (since 10th century?). Where are the Vietnamese?

Unless the Chinese travel in an underground tunnel, they must have stopped and used these South China Sea islands. Unlike the Imperial West, the Chinese focus on trade. They are just claiming uninhabited islands. They don't kill, colonize or enslave the locals even though they had a strong navy led by Zheng He, if the lands they visit are inhabited.

On the contrary, the Vietnamese are claiming lands that are forcefully stolen at gun point by the French. Consider yourselves lucky that you have China as your neighbor instead of India, seeing the way India annexed Sikkim, Goa, etc and how they bully Sri Lanka and Nepal. Of course it could be Vietnam giving them a lesson of their life seeing your performance against your colonists. But Vietnam did become colonized more than once whereas China's conquerors always rule as Chinese and became Chinese themselves. That says a lot about their cultural strength. Can you explain why India still have unresolved border issues with relatively friendly Myanmar. If not for the huge sacrifice by the Chinese fighting the Japanese to the end without surrendering, wonder how WW2 will turn out. It is commendable that China have resolved borders with nearly all their neighbors.

I have been watching these threads for many years as it's entertaining. I seldom feel the need to butt into your dispute except to give thanks for those wonderful pics. I am pissed off by those abrasive nationalistic Chinese, but so do all those newly rich but this time on a massive scale. Remember the phrase "ugly American", and Japanese sex tours. We were resented by the relatively poor Taiwanese when we 1st went there for military training.

Don't think the Pinoys support you, except for keyboard warriors, they don't. I hope China, Vietnam, SK, Japan and hopefully the Philippines will together show the West what Asians can achieve. Asians can be proud again with China leading the way. I remember those days when Japan is an also ran in the Olympics. I never thought Asians can reach such heights in international events until China came along. China made my day.

Pardon me if I am partial to China's views. My apologies, but I am open to being persuaded by you through FACTS, though this issue is not important to me, and I may not respond. Maybe I shouldn't have taken a dig at you and laughed at your expense. It will be helpful if you can write to your Gov to return Pugad Island to show that Vietnam is not greedy land grabbing.

Hope you can contribute towards this thread with interesting items instead of those old maps by murderous Imperial colonizers. People may think that you are so proud to be colonized. Thks
 
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Is it important?. Chinese members here never consider that when they bombarded me in the thread on Singapore Terrex Vehicles detained in Hong Kong. Its not a good feeling, but I just state my point and move on without being antagonistic.




Based on your empty words or that Japanese arranged kangaroo 1-sided Tribunal. Suffice to say I am Singaporean, but I lean more towards Chinese views on the South China Sea. You see all these Chinese immigrants in the Philippines and South East Asia long ago (since 10th century?). Where are the Vietnamese?

Unless the Chinese travel in an underground tunnel, they must have stopped and used these South China Sea islands. Unlike the Imperial West, the Chinese focus on trade. They are just claiming uninhabited islands. They don't kill, colonize or enslave the locals even though they had a strong navy led by Zheng He, if the lands they visit are inhabited.

On the contrary, the Vietnamese are claiming lands that are forcefully stolen at gun point by the French. Consider yourselves lucky that you have China as your neighbor instead of India, seeing the way India annexed Sikkim, Goa, etc and how they bully Sri Lanka and Nepal. Of course it could be Vietnam giving them a lesson of their life seeing your performance against your colonists. But Vietnam did become colonized more than once whereas China's conquerors always rule as Chinese and became Chinese themselves. That says a lot about their cultural strength. Can you explain why India still have unresolved border issues with relatively friendly Myanmar. If not for the huge sacrifice by the Chinese fighting the Japanese to the end without surrendering, wonder how WW2 will turn out. It is commendable that China have resolved borders with nearly all their neighbors.

I have been watching these threads for many years as it's entertaining. I seldom feel the need to butt into your dispute except to give thanks for those wonderful pics. I am pissed off by those abrasive nationalistic Chinese, but so do all those newly rich but this time on a massive scale. Remember the phrase "ugly American", and Japanese sex tours. We were resented by the relatively poor Taiwanese when we 1st went there for military training.

Don't think the Pinoys support you, except for keyboard warriors, they don't. I hope China, Vietnam, SK, Japan and hopefully the Philippines will together show the West what Asians can achieve. Asians can be proud again with China leading the way. I remember those days when Japan is an also ran in the Olympics. I never thought Asians can reach such heights in international events until China came along. China made my day.

Pardon me if I am partial to China's views. My apologies, but I am open to being persuaded by you through FACTS, though this issue is not important to me, and I may not respond. Maybe I shouldn't have taken a dig at you and laughed at your expense. It will be helpful if you can write to your Gov to return Pugad Island to show that Vietnam is not greedy land grabbing.

Hope you can contribute towards this thread with interesting items instead of those old maps by murderous Imperial colonizers. People may think that you are so proud to be colonized. Thks

what I've guested, idea ís correct, you are Hua Chinese Singapore citizen, you just repeated what brain washed Chinese members with their propaganda, had said here in this forum. I don't like to lost my time to discuss with you point to point on that what you have said above.
But I can say to you again, is related to old map of Vietnam and others, that Vietnam is the first country in the region had claimed Paracel and Spratly is territory of Vietnam, from many hundred year ago without troubles with China or others in the past.
 
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Guys, stay on topic, as per forum rules no personal attack on your fellow poster (or group of posters collectively), no national attack on the general civilian public of a nation or race (but not government). Post your debate on opponent's content, not on the opponent himself. If you suspect any of these rules are violated, report or PM a mod (mods cannot be here 24/7 but will attend asap, so wait), ignore, move on.

P.S.: At least six posters violated forum rules here to-date, too many posts spotted, no warning/infraction will apply to old posts, but please behave from now on, debate or can even fight but do it clean, thanks guys.
 
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what I've guested, idea ís correct, you are Hua Chinese Singapore citizen, you just repeated what brain washed Chinese members with their propaganda, had said here in this forum. I don't like to lost my time to discuss with you point to point on that what you have said above.
But I can say to you again, is related to old map of Vietnam and others, that Vietnam is the first country in the region had claimed Paracel and Spratly is territory of Vietnam, from many hundred year ago without troubles with China or others in the past.

Please don't be fixated on who is of what ethnicity. Better if you explain why if Vietnamese had been prevalent in the South China Sea, why there are so many Chinese diaspora in South East Asia but not the Vietnamese.
 
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Please don't be fixated on who is of what ethnicity. Better if you explain why if Vietnamese had been prevalent in the South China Sea, why there are so many Chinese diaspora in South East Asia but not the Vietnamese.
do you know the town of Hoi An (peaceful assembly)?

it is a town located central Vietnam.

nearly all Chinese diaspora in SEA have their root in this town. you may ask why? most Chinese ethnics today are grand grand grand children of Chinese merchants, political refugees, who fled China because of persecution at home. because ancient China considered merchants as the last scum. or they escaped to Vietnam because of invasions of the Mongols, the Manchu. we provided the refugees a home. later they spread to other regions of Southeast Asia as Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia.

 
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do you know the town of Hoi An (peaceful assembly)?

it is a town located central Vietnam.

nearly all Chinese diaspora in SEA have their root in this town. you may ask why? most Chinese ethnics today are grand grand grand children of Chinese merchants, political refugees, who fled China because of persecution at home. because ancient China considered merchants as the last scum. or they escaped to Vietnam because of invasions of the Mongols, the Manchu. we provided the refugees a home. later they spread to other regions of Southeast Asia as Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia.
Unfortunately I am not well read with Vietnam or China history and geography. Offhand I would think that some of the Chinese diaspora are from Hoi An but the majority are not. No matter the reasons or origin, scores of Chinese did sail the South China Sea and settle in South East Asia. Through their journeys and fishing they came across these uninhabited islands. These happen mostly during the Han and Tang dynasties and therefore before the Manchus and the Mongols.
My initial reading of the South China Sea disputes were like most of my fellow Sinkies, is yes, China is so far away to be claiming these islands. After following arguments on PDF and other sites, I have changed my mind. Mr Kecho like to harp on Chinese ethnicity brainwashing. If that were the case, there won't be any Hong Kong or Taiwan problem or even Tiananmen. Anyway thanks for that info on Hoi An. I also like those pics you posted, especially Sin Cowe Island can be beautiful after rebuilding. It will be great if there is cooperation between Asian nations to break up the Western hegemony and with China leading the way, it is possible.

as you want: Vietnam construction and land reclamation on ONE island. notice we have lots of islands and reefs :tup:

a shelter for all fishermen in need :enjoy:
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West Reef is nice. Looks like reclamation is still going on the bottom corner. The enclosure can put up a lot of ships. The date is April 2016, should be fully reclaimed by now.
 
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Unfortunately I am not well read with Vietnam or China history and geography. Offhand I would think that some of the Chinese diaspora are from Hoi An but the majority are not. No matter the reasons or origin, scores of Chinese did sail the South China Sea and settle in South East Asia. Through their journeys and fishing they came across these uninhabited islands. These happen mostly during the Han and Tang dynasties and therefore before the Manchus and the Mongols.
My initial reading of the South China Sea disputes were like most of my fellow Sinkies, is yes, China is so far away to be claiming these islands. After following arguments on PDF and other sites, I have changed my mind. Mr Kecho like to harp on Chinese ethnicity brainwashing. If that were the case, there won't be any Hong Kong or Taiwan problem or even Tiananmen. Anyway thanks for that info on Hoi An. I also like those pics you posted, especially Sin Cowe Island can be beautiful after rebuilding. It will be great if there is cooperation between Asian nations to break up the Western hegemony and with China leading the way, it is possible.
of course Chinese fishermen catch fishes in the South sea as China calls it, or Vietnamese fishermen in East sea as Vietnam calls it, dated back since thousands of years. long before the terms "South East Asia" and "South China sea" were invented by White men. not only Chinese, Vietnamese but also fishermen from Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia fish in the seas that belong to nobody.

the conflict starts when China adopts the concept of the White men of "closed seas". in contrast to "open seas" that exist since thousands of years.

the islands are a different story. Vietnam has many islands in the sovereignty and administration. so do other SEA nations in the region. China is the last who tries to occupy the islands from others by force.

West Reef is nice. Looks like reclamation is still going on the bottom corner. The enclosure can put up a lot of ships. The date is April 2016, should be fully reclaimed by now.
I think, too, West Reef building is complete now. VN has begun to reclaim at Ladd Reef. da there is a lighthouse as well. when we get enough money and machineries we will copy the Chinese style.


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Please don't be fixated on who is of what ethnicity. Better if you explain why if Vietnamese had been prevalent in the South China Sea, why there are so many Chinese diaspora in South East Asia but not the Vietnamese.

China invaded in to paracel Islands of Vietnam in 1974. In Spratly Vietnam control more Islands and reefs than China.

Our kids in Spratly Islands.
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Vietnam Primary school in Spratly.

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