South China Sea Forum

[GS Zhou]

It is nothing related to what you said exaggerate or distort the original news, there is report from VNA, simply additional explanation for the term SCS (...). for the different name called for same sea region in south east Asia.

I quote here below from wiki:

In China, it is called the "South Sea", 南海 Nánhǎi, and in Vietnam the "East Sea", Biển Đông.....
following an escalation of the Spratly Islands dispute in 2011, various Philippine government agencies started using the name "West Philippine Sea". A PAGASA spokesperson said that the sea to the east of the Philippines will continue to be called thePhilippine Sea.[13]...

South China Sea

and here below for the term "Bien Đông " in Viet.wiki. https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biển_Đông

Biển Đông

It is nothing related to what you said exaggerate or distort the original news, there is report from VNA, simply additional explanation for the term SCS (...). for the different name called for same sea region in south east Asia.

I quote here below from wiki:

In China, it is called the "South Sea", 南海 Nánhǎi, and in Vietnam the "East Sea", Biển Đông.[9][10][11] In Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, it was long called the "South China Sea" (Dagat Timog Tsina in Tagalog, Laut China Selatan in Malay), with the part within Philippine territorial waters often called the "Luzon Sea", Dagat Luzon, by the Philippines.[12] However, following an escalation of the Spratly Islands dispute in 2011, various Philippine government agencies started using the name "West Philippine Sea". A PAGASA spokesperson said that the sea to the east of the Philippines will continue to be called thePhilippine Sea.[13]...

South China Sea

and here below for the term "Bien Đông " in Viet.wiki. https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biển_Đông

Biển Đông

and more:

This report from June 23, 2016 , after award of PCA ruling for SCS in 12 June, 2016. I think this news is not so old.

http://e.vnexpress.net/news/world/eu-calls-for-free-passage-through-vietnam-s-east-sea-3424505.html

I don't care how you call this sea. You can even call it Kecho's Sea, if you like. In fact, the name alone cannot decide anything. Just like there is a very large part land in Japan is called as "中国", but we will never think this part of Japan belongs to us, simply because of the name is 中国。

The key question is, in the original Reuters article, it mentions nothing about what you, or the Vietnam media, added. I respect your people's right to call South China Sea with the name that you like. But the only proper way is like "...... South China Sea (Editor's Note: In Vietnam, we call it xxx Sea)" .

The childish & disgusting trick you, or the Vietnam media play is obviously trying to mislead the readers to think that the famous western media is calling South China Sea with another name. Although Reuters has NO intention about this at all. Such funny trick has no real impact but to humiliate your country.

 

[cnleio]

2016-09 RING

 

[cochine]

The childish & disgusting trick you, or the Vietnam media play is obviously trying to mislead the readers to think that the famous western media is calling South China Sea with another name. Although Reuters has NO intention about this at all. Such funny trick has no real impact but to humiliate your country

In Vietnam, Vietnam media or VNA report about ECS dispute, it is always said that there is Senkaku Islands Quần đảo Senkaku 尖閣諸島, but in the additional mark (....) , it also mentioned there is quần đảo Điếu Ngư Đài 釣魚台群島 in Chinese. Two name for one geology place, it is fair manner.

 

[GS Zhou]

In Vietnam, Vietnam media or VNA report about ECS dispute, it is always said that there is Senkaku Islands Quần đảo Senkaku 尖閣諸島, but in the additional mark (....) , it also mentioned there is quần đảo Điếu Ngư Đài 釣魚台群島 in Chinese. Two name for one geology place, it is fair manner.

Two name for one geology place can be frequently seen. But when you did so, you need to make the remark as "... South China Sea (Editor's note: xxxx Sea)". The key is to add "Editor's note" here, so readers can tell which part is coming from the original author, which part is coming from the editor, so readers won't fulled like that the original author accepted the name of "xxxx sea".

But from the article you put, we could not find anything about the "Editor's Note", that makes the Vietnam media, and even people who post this Vietnam media article once again (like you), a joke.

 

[TaiShang]

Manila making plans for Duterte to visit China, Japan in October
SCMP
Friday, 23 September, 2016

Diplomats in the Philippines are in talks with counterparts in Japan and China to arrange visits for their controversial President Rodrigo Duterte at the end of next month, officials in Manila said on Friday.

Dates were still being worked out for the proposed trips by the outspoken leader, several officials said, remaining anonymous because they were not authorised to speak to media.

A Japanese foreign ministry official confirmed plans were being made. There was no immediate response from China.

Philippine relations with Japan are warm but those with China have long been frosty over territorial wrangles in the South China Sea.

Duterte has repeatedly said conflict was pointless and he wants to get along and do business with Beijing.

Some analysts believe Duterte’s uncharacteristic verbal restraint towards China, in contrast to his stinging rebukes of the United States, United Nations and European Union, shows he is hedging in pursuit of his goal of an independent foreign policy and reducing reliance on former colonial ruler Washington.

China and the Philippines are trying to find a way to break the ice after a verdict by an arbitral court in The Hague in July invalidated China’s claims to most of the South China Sea and gave Manila the legal high ground in the dispute.

During a speech on Thursday Duterte said he would go to China this year and, without elaborating, told Chinese businessmen: “you will see me often”.

He reiterated he would not deviate from the court ruling but would seek a way out of a four-year deadlock at the disputed Scarborough Shoal and for China’s coastguard to let Filipino fish there unimpeded. The arbitration panel ruled that no one country can legally control that shoal.

A source in the Duterte’s office said it was possible former president Fidel Ramos, his new China envoy, could visit as early as next week to lay the groundwork for talks.

The relationship with Japan is far less complicated and Tokyo has agreed to provide 10 coastguard vessels to Manila to support its maritime security efforts.

Japan, a major investor across Southeast Asia, has been providing coastguard training and ships also to Vietnam, another country at odds with China over its maritime assertiveness.

The proposed October visits would be among Duterte’s first as president in what has been a colourful, at times dramatic first three months in office.

He attended a summit of Asian leaders in Laos earlier this month and has been to Indonesia. He is due to visit Vietnam next week.

 

[ahojunk]

22 September 2016 - 08H45
Taiwan asks Google to blur images of South China Sea island

© Chiang Chi-chen/AFP/File | Taiwan-controlled Taiping Island is part of
the Spratlys archipelago in the South China Sea​

TAIPEI (AFP) -

Taiwan's defence ministry has asked Google to blur images of a new development believed to be for military use on a disputed South China Sea island.

Tensions remain high in the region over conflicting territorial claims, particularly over the strategically important Spratlys chain.

Taiwan administers Taiping island, which is the largest in the Spratlys archipelago. The island chain is also claimed in part or whole by the Philippines, Vietnam and China.

Google satellite images show a circular structure with four Y-shaped attachments, jutting out to sea on Taiping's northwestern coast.

The development comes after Taiwan last year inaugurated a solar-powered lighthouse, an expanded airstrip and a pier as part of efforts to strengthen defence capabilities on Taiping.

The defence ministry said it was in the process of contacting Google Thursday to ask them to blur the satellite images, but would not comment further on what the structures are.

"It is classified information," the ministry's spokesman Chen Chung-chi said when asked the reason for the request to Google, which was made after images of the structures surfaced in local media.

Fears over possible military confrontation in the area have grown since an international tribunal ruling in July which rejected Beijing's sweeping claims to almost all of the South China Sea -- even waters approaching coasts of the Philippines and other Southeast Asian nations.

China outlines its territory using a vague map that emerged in the 1940s, resulting in an overlap with Taiwan's claims.

The two sides split in 1949 after a civil war on the mainland, but Beijing still sees Taiwan as part of its territory.

Beijing angrily vowed to ignore the verdict from the tribunal in The Hague, prompting a warning from US President Barack Obama who emphasised that the ruling was binding.

Crucially for Taipei, the ruling stated that Taiping was legally a "rock" that did not give it an exclusive economic zone, undermining its claims to the surrounding waters.

Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen, who has yet to visit the island since taking office in May, has said the verdict "severely jeopardised" Taiwan's rights.

Her predecessor Ma Ying-jeou visited Taiping in January to press Taiwan's claims, a move that triggered criticism from the US as well as protests from Vietnam and the Philippines.

Tensions have also been stoked by China's rapid development of reefs in the South China Sea into artificial islands capable of hosting military planes.

© 2016 AFP

 

[frequency]

Russia has used China to counter USA, simply geopolitical tactic.

I think I can see that too. Russians aren't dumb enough to go on their own. Using China as body shield is much more effective than going straight to the Eagle.

 

[terranMarine]

The only meat shield is Vietnam if it's foolish enough to side with the US. Duterte is smart enough not to fall for this trick. And no China is no shield for anybody. China and Russia are strategic partners, Russia has never called Vietnam that way. I think that says alot besides US is crouching Russian border in EU, that has nothing to do with China. Just as SCS has nothing to do with Russia, Putin gave the order to have a joint drill with PLAN to give Obama his middle finger. Delusional Viets thinking China is a shield for Russia must have smoked some weed.

 

[cochine]

Two name for one geology place can be frequently seen. But when you did so, you need to make the remark as "... South China Sea (Editor's note: xxxx Sea)". The key is to add "Editor's note" here, so readers can tell which part is coming from the original author, which part is coming from the editor, so readers won't fulled like that the original author accepted the name of "xxxx sea".

But from the article you put, we could not find anything about the "Editor's Note", that makes the Vietnam media, and even people who post this Vietnam media article once again (like you), a joke.

The explanation of editor is made in the mark (...), it is clear. It doesn't change nothing to the nature of the news is reported.

Pls read more here.

Senate starts probe of Chinese activities in West Philippine Sea
By Marvin Sy (The Philippine Star) | Updated May 7, 2015 - 12:00am
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A Chinese dredging vessel is spotted near Mischief Reef, which the Philippine claims jurisdiction over in the South China Sea. Republished with permission from CSIS/AMTI

MANILA, Philippines - The Senate starts today its inquiry into the alleged reclamation and dredging activities of China in disputed territories of the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV, chairman of the Senate committee on national defense and security, would lead the inquiry into the issue based on the resolution that he filed last month.

A separate resolution was filed by Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago calling for an inquiry into the activities of China, which she said might have changed the present situation in the disputed territorial waters.

Santiago cited reports indicating that China’s land reclamation in four of the Philippine-claimed islands and reefs in the West Philippine Sea has reached an estimated 60 hectares.

Aerial photos of Panganiban (Mischief) Reef taken earlier this year showed that dredging activities have also begun in the area.

She quoted Magdalo party list Rep. Ashley Acedillo as saying that upon the completion of China’s reclamation activities, the reefs and shoals would be physically altered to habitable islands and would be able to host structures for military and other personnel as well as support naval and aircraft operations.

Headlines ( Article MRec ), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1
Acedillo, a former military pilot, said the Philippines could lose Ayungin Shoal if China steps up air and navy patrols based in Panganiban Reef.

He added these Chinese-built territories function as forward operating bases that could sustain 24/7 naval and air patrols, virtually allowing China to stake its claim to the detriment of other claimants.

“An investigation must be conducted to examine the extent of the construction in the disputed territories,” Santiago said.

“The state should also study whether a more aggressive action should be taken in order to protect the Philippines’ territories,” she added.

Trillanes, for his part, stressed the need for Congress to “look into and review the relevant national policies and international agreements that are pertinent to the Philippines’ claim over the Spratly Islands,” saying the activities of China there may have significantly changed the physical features of the disputed areas.

Trillanes said this could “bring larger geopolitical consequences such as providing a stronger basis for China’s territorial claim, thereby diminishing the Philippines’ assertion of sovereignty.”

China, on the other hand, has accused the Philippines of illegally occupying some of the islands in the Spratlys that Beijing called its own.

China accused the Philippines of conducting largescale construction of military and civil facilities including airports, ports and barracks on those islands for many years.

Beijing also maintained it has never taken action that may complicate and deteriorate the disputes or affect regional peace and stability and called on the Philippines to stop construction work and evacuate its people.

Department of National Defense (DND) spokesman Peter Paul Galvez said China now appeared to be confused while justifying its own provocative acts as it aggressively asserts maritime claim to virtually all of the West Philippine Sea.

“They have been saying too many things that they are now confused. What they should do is to stop all their reclamation activities, dismantle structures and apologize to the international community for the massive environmental degradation they committed in the West Philippine Sea,” he said.

The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) said it would not pull out troops in the Kalayaan Island Group of the Spratlys.

AFP Public Affairs Office chief Lt. Col. Harold Cabunoc said there is no reason to evacuate the troops as their primary mission is to protect and safeguard the country’s sovereign rights in the region. – With Jaime Laude, Evelyn Macairan

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2...-probe-chinese-activities-west-philippine-sea

 

[GS Zhou]

The explanation of editor is made in the mark (...), it is clear. It doesn't change nothing to the nature of the news is reported.

Pls read more here.

Senate starts probe of Chinese activities in West Philippine Sea
By Marvin Sy (The Philippine Star) | Updated May 7, 2015 - 12:00am
82 843 googleplus1 0

A Chinese dredging vessel is spotted near Mischief Reef, which the Philippine claims jurisdiction over in the South China Sea. Republished with permission from CSIS/AMTI

MANILA, Philippines - The Senate starts today its inquiry into the alleged reclamation and dredging activities of China in disputed territories of the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV, chairman of the Senate committee on national defense and security, would lead the inquiry into the issue based on the resolution that he filed last month.

A separate resolution was filed by Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago calling for an inquiry into the activities of China, which she said might have changed the present situation in the disputed territorial waters.

Santiago cited reports indicating that China’s land reclamation in four of the Philippine-claimed islands and reefs in the West Philippine Sea has reached an estimated 60 hectares.

Aerial photos of Panganiban (Mischief) Reef taken earlier this year showed that dredging activities have also begun in the area.

She quoted Magdalo party list Rep. Ashley Acedillo as saying that upon the completion of China’s reclamation activities, the reefs and shoals would be physically altered to habitable islands and would be able to host structures for military and other personnel as well as support naval and aircraft operations.

Headlines ( Article MRec ), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1
Acedillo, a former military pilot, said the Philippines could lose Ayungin Shoal if China steps up air and navy patrols based in Panganiban Reef.

He added these Chinese-built territories function as forward operating bases that could sustain 24/7 naval and air patrols, virtually allowing China to stake its claim to the detriment of other claimants.

“An investigation must be conducted to examine the extent of the construction in the disputed territories,” Santiago said.

“The state should also study whether a more aggressive action should be taken in order to protect the Philippines’ territories,” she added.

Trillanes, for his part, stressed the need for Congress to “look into and review the relevant national policies and international agreements that are pertinent to the Philippines’ claim over the Spratly Islands,” saying the activities of China there may have significantly changed the physical features of the disputed areas.

Trillanes said this could “bring larger geopolitical consequences such as providing a stronger basis for China’s territorial claim, thereby diminishing the Philippines’ assertion of sovereignty.”

China, on the other hand, has accused the Philippines of illegally occupying some of the islands in the Spratlys that Beijing called its own.

China accused the Philippines of conducting largescale construction of military and civil facilities including airports, ports and barracks on those islands for many years.

Beijing also maintained it has never taken action that may complicate and deteriorate the disputes or affect regional peace and stability and called on the Philippines to stop construction work and evacuate its people.

Department of National Defense (DND) spokesman Peter Paul Galvez said China now appeared to be confused while justifying its own provocative acts as it aggressively asserts maritime claim to virtually all of the West Philippine Sea.

“They have been saying too many things that they are now confused. What they should do is to stop all their reclamation activities, dismantle structures and apologize to the international community for the massive environmental degradation they committed in the West Philippine Sea,” he said.

The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) said it would not pull out troops in the Kalayaan Island Group of the Spratlys.

AFP Public Affairs Office chief Lt. Col. Harold Cabunoc said there is no reason to evacuate the troops as their primary mission is to protect and safeguard the country’s sovereign rights in the region. – With Jaime Laude, Evelyn Macairan

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2...-probe-chinese-activities-west-philippine-sea

Look how stupid the trick you are playing!

This is an article published by The Philippine Star on the website of The Philippine Star. The complete article written by the original author and published by the original author on its own website. So with, or without the mark "editor's note", that's both fine. Because it is the intention of the original author. Readers won't have any misunderstanding.

But look at the Reuters article you show us, it is NOT coming from the original Reuters website, but from an Vietnam media. The Vietnam media re-post the article, and made some edit. In that case, it is the Vietnam media's responsibility to clearly shows which part is coming from the original author Reuters, which part comes from the editor of the Vietnam media. That's why the mark "Editor's note" is important.

As I mentioned previously, such tricks your media and you play with has NO real impacts, but to humiliate your own country.

 

[cnleio]

The Zubr-class LCAC will be very useful in SCS.

 

[cochine]

Look how stupid the trick you are playing!

This is an article published by The Philippine Star on the website of The Philippine Star. The complete article written by the original author and published by the original author on its own website. So with, or without the mark "editor's note", that's both fine. Because it is the intention of the original author. Readers won't have any misunderstanding.

But look at the Reuters article you show us, it is NOT coming from the original Reuters website, but from an Vietnam media. The Vietnam media re-post the article, and made some edit. In that case, it is the Vietnam media's responsibility to clearly shows which part is coming from the original author Reuters, which part comes from the editor of the Vietnam media. That's why the mark "Editor's note" is important.

As I mentioned previously, such tricks your media and you play with has NO real impacts, but to humiliate your own country.

VNA editor staff did same what The Phil star did to prevent misunderstanding when West Philippine sea is new name called by Philippine authourities. Its permitted.

Do you know what Senator Antonio Trillanes IV said to media ?

"“This issue of China’s reclamation and dredging activities has grave national and regional security implications. It is high time that we assess our country’s preparedness for any contingency,” said Trillanes, chairman of the Senate committee on national defense and security, in a statement on Tuesday...

and "“may have significantly changed the physical features of these disputed areas, which in turn, could bring larger geopolitical consequences such as providing a stronger basis for China’s territorial claim, thereby diminishing the Philippines’ assertion of sovereignty.”

Read more: http://globalnation.inquirer.net/12...-reclamation-in-disputed-waters#ixzz4LF0OXssx



He didn't mentioned the word "West Philippine sea" or "South China Sea' in his statement. Editor staff of Philippine Star and VNA does their job fairly.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Two name for one geology place can be frequently seen. But when you did so, you need to make the remark as "... South China Sea (Editor's note: xxxx Sea)". The key is to add "Editor's note" here, so readers can tell which part is coming from the original author, which part is coming from the editor, so readers won't fulled like that the original author accepted the name of "xxxx sea".

But from the article you put, we could not find anything about the "Editor's Note", that makes the Vietnam media, and even people who post this Vietnam media article once again (like you), a joke.

Atually just let him name it whatever he wants- doesnt changes the de facto situation in the South China Sea. I was surfing on my mobile(i cant see the poster's avatar on my mobile) at work just now when i read this thread and by the choice of the wording, i could instantly identify the poster as a Vietnamese. Sure enough when i got home to my PC, the poster was INDEED a Vietnamese

 

[cochine]

Atually just let him name it whatever he wants- doesnt changes the de facto situation in the South China Sea. I was surfing on my mobile(i cant see the poster's avatar on my mobile) at work just now when i read this thread and by the choice of the wording, i could instantly identify the poster as a Vietnamese. Sure enough when i got home to my PC, the poster was INDEED a Vietnamese

are you Hoa-Indonesian ?

Where is Natuna sea ?

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Sewage treatment on Yongxing island:

are you Hoa-Indonesian ?

Where is Natuna sea ?

whats hoa-indonesian? whats that? Natuna is in the West China Sea