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LOL..........You have to be stupid to believe something like this.



Whoever wrote the aforementioned article know basically nothing about International law at sea.

For argument sake, let's say SCS is Chinese EEZ.

Exclusive Economic Zone is basically an extent of International Water with Economic Right to the EEZ owner. The transit and activities of foreign nation are treated as if they were in international water. Unless US Spy ship or warship stop at Chinese EEZ and started fishing, China have no right to dispute the rights of other from transiting it's EEZ. Wasn't the term "Exclusion Economic Zone" already a bit self explanatory?

Territorial water ended at 12 nautical mile, EEZ only give the host country right for ECONOMIC activities, military activities are not limited in EEZ.

And then there are UK and US breaking a bond over SCS is simply stupid. US-UK bond built on the threat of Soviet union and currently Russia. UK is not a claimant nor party of interest in SCS. Even US gone to war with China over SCS would have nothing to do with British Government, maybe the UK will lease Diego Garcia to the US for combat operation, that's about it. The same reason why the Brits was absent from Vietnam War.......

This article is too jokish to actually believe it was real...

There is a difference between transiting and conducting military operation while calling it navigation. The current rule was established by maritime powers that serve to facilitate their operation in other countries near shore. It is thus quiet natural for China to seek to change such rule that would serve to protect the security of continental powers instead.
 
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UK is still a royal puppet to the US.China has no political influence over UK.
 
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actually it is. to pacify our neighbours, we just announced that our man-made islands were for peaceful purpose. now we have every excuse to arm them to the teeth for they were under potential threat.
besides, we never established the connection between 12 miles and man-made islands before, now since US kept reminding us of this relationship, we will consider to implement that in the near future.
do what you like, while we do what we like. don´t bother us with your "pacify" bullshit.
expect the US to do more aggressive moves in the times to come.
 
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PROOF OF CHINA SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE ISLES & REEFS OF SOUTH CHINA SEA
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1. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Northern Island

a) China Sea Pilot compiled and printed by the Hydrography Department of the Royal Navy of the United Kingdom in 1912 has accounts of the activities of the Chinese people on the Nansha Islands in a number of places.

b) The Far Eastern Economic Review (Hong Kong) carried an article on Dec. 31 of 1973 which quotes the British High Commissioner to Singapore as having said in 1970: "Spratly Island (Nanwei Island in Chinese) was a Chinese dependency, part of Kwangtung Province… and was returned to China after the war. We can not find any indication of its having been acquired by any other country and so can only conclude it is still held by communist China."

2. France

a) Le Monde Colonial Illustre mentioned the Nansha Islands in its September 1933 issue. According to that issue, when a French gunboat named Malicieuse surveyed the Nanwei Island of the Nansha Islands in 1930, they saw three Chinese on the island and when France invaded nine of the Nansha Islands by force in April 1933, they found all the people on the islands were Chinese, with 7 Chinese on the Nanzi Reef, 5 on the Zhongye Island, 4 on the Nanwei Island, thatched houses, water wells and holy statues left by Chinese on the Nanyue Island and a signboard with Chinese characters marking a grain storage on the Taiping Island.

b) Atlas International Larousse published in 1965 in France marks the Xisha, Nansha and Dongsha Islands by their Chinese names and gives clear indication of their ownership as China in brackets.

3) Japan

a) Yearbook of New China published in Japan in 1966 describes the coastline of China as 11 thousand kilometers long from Liaodong Peninsula in the north to the Nansha Islands in the south, or 20 thousand kilometers if including the coastlines of all the islands along its coast;

b) Yearbook of the World published in Japan in 1972 says that Chinese territory includes not only the mainland, but also Hainan Island, Taiwan, Penghu Islands as well as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands on the South China Sea.

4. The United States

a) Columbia Lippincott World Toponymic Dictionary published in the United States in 1961 states that the Nansha Islands on the South China Sea are part of Guangdong Province and belong to China.

b) The Worldmark Encyclopaedia of the Nations published in the United States in 1963 says that the islands of the People's Republic extend southward to include those isles and coral reefs on the South China Sea at the north latitude 4°.

c) World Administrative Divisions Encyclopaedia published in 1971 says that the People's Republic has a number of archipelagoes, including Hainan Island near the South China Sea, which is the largest, and a few others on the South China Sea extending to as far as the north latitude 4°, such as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands.

5. Viet Nam

a) Vice Foreign Minister Dung Van Khiem of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam received Mr. Li Zhimin, charge d'affaires ad interim of the Chinese Embassy in Viet Nam and told him that "according to Vietnamese data, the Xisha and Nansha Islands are historically part of Chinese territory." Mr. Le Doc, Acting Director of the Asian Department of the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry, who was present then, added that "judging from history, these islands were already part of China at the time of the Song Dynasty."

b) Nhan Dan of Viet Nam reported in great detail on September 6, 1958 the Chinese Government's Declaration of September 4, 1958 that the breadth of the territorial sea of the People's Republic of China should be 12 nautical miles and that this provision should apply to all territories of the People's Republic of China, including all islands on the South China Sea. On September 14 the same year, Premier Pham Van Dong of the Vietnamese Government solemnly stated in his note to Premier Zhou Enlai that Viet Nam "recognizes and supports the Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's territorial sea."

c) It is stated in the lesson The People's Republic of China of a standard Vietnamese school textbook on geography published in 1974 that the islands from the Nansha and Xisha Islands to Hainan Island and Taiwan constitute a great wall for the defense of the mainland of China.

B. The maps printed by other countries in the world that mark the islands on the South China Sea as part of Chinese territory include:

1. The Welt-Atlas published by the Federal Republic of Germany in 1954, 1961 and 1970 respectively;

2. World Atlas published by the Soviet Union in 1954 and 1967 respectively;

3. World Atlas published by Romania in 1957;

4. Oxford Australian Atlas and Philips Record Atlas published by Britain in 1957 and Encyclopaedia Britannica World Atlas published by Britain in 1958;

5. World Atlas drawn and printed by the mapping unit of the Headquarters of the General Staff of the People's Army of Viet Nam in 1960;

6. Haack Welt Atlas published by German Democratic in 1968;

7. Daily Telegraph World Atlas published by Britain in 1968;

8. Atlas International Larousse published by France in 1968 and 1969 respectively;

9. World Map Ordinary published by the Institut Geographique National (IGN) of France in 1968;

10. World Atlas published by the Surveying and Mapping Bureau of the Prime Minister's Office of Viet Nam in 1972; and

11. China Atlas published by Neibonsya of Japan in 1973.

C. China's sovereignty over the Nansha Islands is recognized in numerous international conferences.

1. The 1951 San Francisco Conference on Peace Treaty called on Japan to give up the Xisha and Nansha Islands. Andrei Gromyko, Head of the Delegation of the Soviet Union to the Conference, pointed out in his statement that the Xisha and Nansha Islands were an inalienable part of Chinese territory. It is true that the San Francisco Peace Treaty failed to unambiguously ask Japan to restore the Xisha and Nansha Islands to China. But the Xisha, Nansha, Dongsha and Zhongsha Islands that Japan was asked to abandun by the Peace Agreement of San Francisco Conference were all clearly marked as Chinese territory in the fifteenth map A Map of Southeast Asia of the Standard World Atlas published by Japan in 1952, the second year after the peace conference in San Francisco, which was recommended by the then Japanese Foreign Minister Katsuo Okazaki in his own handwriting.

2. The International Civil Aviation Organization held its first conference on Asia-Pacific regional aviation in Manila of the Philippines on 27 October 1955. Sixteen countries or regions were represented at the conference, including South Viet Nam and the Taiwan authorities, apart from Australia, Canada, Chile, Dominica, Japan, the Laos, the Republic of Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, the United Kingdom, the United States, New Zealand and France. The Chief Representative of the Philippines served as Chairman of the conference and the Chief Representative of France its first Vice Chairman. It was agreed at the conference that the Dongsha, Xisha and Nansha Islands on the South China Sea were located at the communication hub of the Pacific and therefore the meteorological reports of these islands were vital to world civil aviation service. In this context, the conference adopted Resolution No. 24, asking China's Taiwan authorities to improve meteorological observation on the Nansha Islands, four times a day. When this resolution was put for voting, all the representatives, including those of the Philippines and the South Viet Nam, were for it.

No representative at the conference made any objection to or reservation about it.
from diplomat magazine
Alex McLean
@disqus_uL0Exuq1uG
@Nihonjin1051 @Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986 @Beast @ other Chinese and Japanese Vietnamese member who are fighting over south china sea
 
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do what you like, while we do what we like. don´t bother us with your "pacify" bullshit.
expect the US to do more aggressive moves in the times to come.

Did you hear bro? Viet Nam navy invited JMDF Fleet to joint patrol near your islands in SCS.

Hmm, excited ? I am. :)


Nothing new, they've always patrolled this region. Freedom of navigation , I suppose, is guaranteed .
 
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What about Crimea?

The US has proven nothing.

Unless the US Navy sails within 12 miles of Crimean waters, "warship freedom of navigation" is an empty claim.

Does the US recognize Crimea as part of Russia? If not, has the US sailed in Crimean waters?

If the US Navy is too afraid to sail within 12 miles of Crimea, US claims of upholding "Freedom of Navigation for warships" lack substance.
 
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you should pray harder. once there is a war bw US and China, vietnam and japan will be the first batch to get wiped out.
what has to do with Japan and Vietnam, if a war breaks out between China and America?
the winner will be the new master of Asia. the loser... well, think of yourselves.

Did you hear bro? Viet Nam navy invited JMDF Fleet to joint patrol near your islands in SCS.

Hmm, excited ? I am. :)



Nothing new, they've always patrolled this region. Freedom of navigation , I suppose, is guaranteed .
yes, we invite all friendly nations, especially Japan to come to the party. Have I mentioned the russians are invited, too? :-)
 
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But you see,The problem is still there.Do China accept that US can patrol in our territorial waters?What you have said doesn't have much thing to do with the problem which discussed in this thread.
I haven't said the constraction is of no use.It is useful but not gonna stop USA somehow magically.
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Get a brain

The constructions are important
We dont intercept as yet because our airplanes and vessels do not have the reach and infra to support them:

Keep building China!

Let the jpnese collect as much intel as they want meantime!

Read these:
Chinese Top Gun 'Barrel Rolled' Over US Plane
UPDATED: Chinese Aircraft May Have Conducted an Unsafe Intercept of U.S. Surveillance Plane Last Week - USNI News
 
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