South China Sea Forum

[Chinese-Dragon]

And these threads conclusively proved that it was not Nehru, but China who was the aggressor.

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war: Australian journalist Neville Maxwell | Page 6

Lt-General Thorat's 1962 China warning fell on deaf ears.

Apparently you haven't read those threads then.

 

[bolo]

I'm all for these chinaclowns to impose "sanction" on us. They are earning $24 billion usd of trade surplus from us each year; that's an equivalent of 1/10 of the trade surplus that they earn from America.

You are a joke and a liar kid.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

Whoever in the leadership of CPC or PLA military who ordered this oil rig circus should be executed for the reason of complete retardation at best, if not of traison!

It has 0 strategic or tactic value, but huge negative impact instead since it pushes Vietnam towards "Asia Pivot". The best and the easiest strategy to deal with Vietnam is using economics. The solution should be aimed at mid term. A conflict with Vietnam is NOT in China's best interests at all for the forsseeable future.

However, Vietnam's leadership should not get too excited, cuz Vietnam is actually about 2-step away from becoming a full-blown "Ukraine" if it dreams in any way to play with fire using the regional inlfuence of the US to counter China. If that were the case, NOT the Chinese, NOT Americans, but the average Vietname citizens and Vietnam Communist Party, just like average Urkainians, will end up paying the dearest price of the game.

That said, Philippines however, is a complete ball game being an existing part of "Asia Pivot" and "1st island chain", unlike Vietnam. Despite of some pretty military pact just signed with the US, Philipines actually should be the ONLY, THE MOST URGENT tartget of PLA.

Taking back all those Phillipine-invaded islets in SCS all at once is well-within PLA Navy's capablity, and should be PLA's only and most urgent task, in my view. It is a free lunch. It is also morally sound due to Phillipine's recent provocations. The timing is also perfect. If China takes this easy step instead of useless water cannon shows with Vietnam, China can settle both "Asia Pivot" and SCS issue (at least for the mid term) in one go. Forget about the US in the process, it will NOT touch a thing of PLA.

If Vietnam is in danger of becoming a self-made "Ukraine" by its blind and pointless "nationalism" , then Philippines is in fact already a self-made "Georgia" waiting to be fcuked, can't you see?

I can't figure out the thinking of Chinese military leadership. If PLA believe they are militarily not strong enough, than they have to use deceit and make the world think they are strong just like India even though they are weak. Two, if they are militarily strong and allow weak nations to push them around, than the leadership lack will.

Imo, I think they want to take military action but at the same time do not want to risk damaging their economy. Mistresses, putting your kids to private school, and buying foreign mansions cost a lot of money.

 

[TaiShang]

China is turning out to be the biggest bully on this planet, extremely unfortunate & irresponsible behavior from a country that aspires to become a superpower.

These are systemic spasms, so to speak, my friend. "The old is dying and the new cannot be born," Gramsci said. The new is bound to be born, as it seems. There will be resistance as the power shifts. Growth in power is itself an act of aggression to the nature of things since it disturbs harmony. But it "cannot not" happen.

Uh, no.

The current superpower America invaded 3 separate countries in the past decade alone. Leading to a million civilian deaths in the Iraq War ALONE (the one about invisible WMD).

We on the other hand have not had any wars for over three decades.

Yes. All we do is wash Vietnamese sailors clean for free.

 

[bolo]

They always poke China, and pretends to be innocent. I just can't understand what the hell can we get if China annexes India. We don't need anything from them.

Even if China can, do you really want to educate, feed and civilize 1 billion people?

 

[dray]

These are systemic spasms, so to speak, my friend. "The old is dying and the new cannot be born," Gramsci said. The new is bound to born, as it seems. There will be resistance as the power shifts. Growth in power is itself an act of aggression to the nature of things since it disturbs harmony. But it "cannot not" happen.



Yes. All we do is wash Vietnamese sailors clean for free.

The old is not going anywhere mate, they gonna be there for a long long time to come.

Even if China can, do you really want to educate, feed and civilize 1 billion people?

Especially when you have a lot of people to educate, feed, and civilize in your own country.

 

[SrNair]

China is turning out to be the biggest bully on this planet, extremely unfortunate & irresponsible behavior from a country that aspires to become a superpower.

In SCS area they are now Superpower .It is a fact.It is other countries in that area to Counter Chinese influence.

 

[Raphael]

Whoever in the leadership of CPC or PLA military who ordered this oil rig circus should be executed for the reason of complete retardation at best, if not of traison!

It has 0 strategic or tactic value, but huge negative impact instead since it pushes Vietnam towards "Asia Pivot". The best and the easiest strategy to deal with Vietnam is using economics. The solution should be aimed at mid term. A conflict with Vietnam is NOT in China's best interests at all for the forsseeable future.

However, Vietnam's leadership should not get too excited, cuz Vietnam is actually about 2-step away from becoming a full-blown "Ukraine" if it dreams in any way to play with fire using the regional inlfuence of the US to counter China. If that were the case, NOT the Chinese, NOT Americans, but the average Vietname citizens and Vietnam Communist Party, just like average Urkainians, will end up paying the dearest price of the game.

That said, Philippines however, is a complete ball game being an existing part of "Asia Pivot" and "1st island chain", unlike Vietnam. Despite of some pretty military pact just signed with the US, Philipines actually should be the ONLY, THE MOST URGENT tartget of PLA.

Taking back all those Phillipine-invaded islets in SCS all at once is well-within PLA Navy's capablity, and should be PLA's only and most urgent task, in my view. It is a free lunch. It is also morally sound due to Phillipine's recent provocations. The timing is also perfect. If China takes this easy step instead of useless water cannon shows with Vietnam, China can settle both "Asia Pivot" and SCS issue (at least for the mid term) in one go. Forget about the US in the process, it will NOT touch a thing of PLA.

If Vietnam is in danger of becoming a self-made "Ukraine" by its blind and pointless "nationalism" , then Philippines is in fact already a self-made "Georgia" waiting to be fcuked, can't you see?

Here's an article speculating about China's intentions:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-02-080514.html

The author thinks China is just practising on Vietnam. But the real target is the Philippines.

 

[SrNair]

Funny, since it was India who backstabbed China, and it was India who declared the 1962 War.

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

You attacked us while we were in the middle of the worst famine in our history, and still you lost.

And some more bad news for you, the balance of power today has shifted ENORMOUSLY in our favour. Even India's own Naval Chief admitted that India could never hope to match China, and the gap was growing bigger every day.

Well you are wrong.An outsider might seems due to economic clout and numbers PRC can easily take on India.But that is one hell of the mistake if you dare to do that.It is true we show some restrain in April because now we are concentrated in our economy but you cant ensure it will be same in all time.
Skirmishes in 1967 and 1987 shows another history.
It was right Nehru did a mistake by making forward posts with out sufficient arms and ammos.But China also did the same mistake by threatning India when it was just an infant democracy and a nation .You did that because you knew you can win.
And you got an irritant neighbour,otherwise you might get a good friendly neighbour .Some Chinese in these PDF boast India is cant stand against China .But you are wrong.I think a TTA can agree with that dynamics
You try the same thing in 1967 and 1987 but cant move further.Pakistan also give a good opportunity in 1999 also but some how ,reasons knows only to China you dont attack us .Instead you asked Pakistan to stay back.
When it comes to field operation it will be not that easy to attack India.To attack India in Indian Ocean you need a Navy that equals to USN.Only chance is PLAAF but India is not Iraq or Afghanistan.

 

[DT1010]

Oh, hehe, Vietnamese!!

Don't act as a knowing cool guy! ok

 

[bolo]

Nope, PRC Government making Chinese delusion boys gone mad and jump up and down in every Chinese froum when they back down from our water.
Chinese big mouth members should try to calm, don't let emotion make you upset and go mad.

Back down? the rig is still there right? You should thank the PLA for cleaning your dirty boats with water gun.

 

[TaiShang]

Back down? the rig is still there right? You should thank the PLA for cleaning your dirty boats with water gun.

Next time Chinese Coast Guard should use oil-gun to clean of the rust and grease on the Vietnamese antics.

 

[TaiShang]

That will be another ADIZ moment. Clowns will get excited and jump up and down. A week, two weeks into the event, it will be the new reality.

That's an extremely smart play, coming right after Obama's Asia tour. I guess China is giving silent warnings to the Phil using the Viet. There goes all the hot air Obama left behind. Plus, Russia has been keeping the Yankee monkeys busy. Right time to make a move and change the status quo.

About generals making this or that decision for personal gain as bolo mentions above, first of all, this should be proven, otherwise, it is a libel. Second, wars make some people rich, indeed. All US wars made some rich while left others dead. But it is beyond moronic to claim that a nation's key strategies are sacrificed for personal gains.

 

[bolo]

That will be another ADIZ moment. Clowns will get excited and jump up and down. A week, two weeks into the event, it will be the new reality.

That's an extremely smart play, coming right after Obama's Asia tour. I guess China is giving silent warnings to the Phil using the Viet. There goes all the hot air Obama left behind. Plus, Russia has been keeping the Yankee monkeys busy. Right time to make a move and change the status quo.

About generals making this or that decision for personal gain as bolo mentions above, first of all, this should be proven, otherwise, it is a libel. Second, wars make some people rich, indeed. All US wars made some rich while left others dead. But it is beyond moronic to claim that a nation's key strategies are sacrificed for personal gains.

These things have happened in the past. Empress Cixi used the treasury to build her summer palace instead of upgrading the navy is one example. I know that corruption is still rampant in the CPC. Recently, a former CPC member Zhou stole 12b USD. Some Chinese members just shrug that off, but to me stealing from your country is treasonous. to make things worse, he spent most of his money on foreign soil. Scum bags like that need to be executed or China will never see its glory days of the past.

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

Officials reiterate 'PH sovereign rights' over disputed islands as Chinese fishermen arrested

By Kim Arveen Patria | Yahoo Southeast Asia Newsroom

Top officials on Thursday defended cops who arrested passengers of a Chinese fishing boat in Palawan, a move which threatens to fuel Manila’s flaring dispute with Beijing.

A Department of Foreign Affairs statement stressed the apprehension of the suspected Chinese poachers “were undertaken as actions to enforce maritime laws.”

Maritime police on Wednesday arrested a Chinese vessel, along with a local boat, for alleged possession of endangered wildlife, police chief Alan Purisima said in a press conference.

Special boat units have observed marine turtles being transferred from the local boat to the Chinese vessel near the Hasa-Hasa Shoal or the Half Moon Shoal, he added.

The apprehended boats, along with 11 foreigner nationals and five local fishermen aboard them were escorted to police headquarters in Puerto Princesa, Palawan.

Police said the arrest is based on RA 9147, which considers the trading, transport, hunting and collection of endangered wildlife, including marine turtles.

The DFA also noted that the move was performed to “uphold Philippine sovereign rights over its exclusive economic zone,” a right questioned by China.

China on Wednesday urged the Philippines to release the Chinese fishing boat and its nationals in the territory which is now the subject of a tense maritime dispute.

Beijing’s foreign ministry also warned the Manila against taking “provocative actions.” The Philippines has filed a memorial against China before an international tribunal.

The DFA meanwhile assured that relevant authorities in Palawan will address the case of alleged poaching “in a just, humane and expeditious manner.”

Police for their part said they will ensure cooperation among concerned agencies before charges are filed against the Chinese nationals and Filipinos involved.

Officials reiterate 'PH sovereign rights' over disputed islands as Chinese fishermen arrested - Yahoo News Philippines

We should invite local and international environmentalist organization to gather support and condemn China for protecting Chinese fishermen who are caught collecting endangered animals and corals.

 

[Soryu]

No, oil is there.

But the Rig will out, after all.