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weird logic come from your incompetent Govt. . They should focus on protecting their citizen instead of poking their nose into our water :pop:
From your comments, and in these day, you vietnamese in PDF jump up and down, find you are mad at the affair.
BTW, our incompetent Govt make you mad, that's encough, don't care whether our government are incompetent, care yours.:-)
 
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nope.

our surname original from Le, Ly, Lao people , translated in to equivalent word to Han Zi only. Its popular in the world.
Problem is we regained our dependence from China, but you Min Yue people can not.
Are you kidding me,阮,陳,黎 etc are derived from Chinese surnames only a delusional fool will think otherwise.

I already debunked your various lies however your inability to digest sources is not my problem.
 
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My friend, there will be no nuking by anyone. That's just the belligerent talk of some members here. Members who in the real world, have absolutely no power to influence any military decisions. Only in their PDF fantasy land do they think they have control over anything. Nothing more than keyboard warriors.
troll or not, really speaking, considering the imbalance of power, Vietnam should accquire nuclear deterrence.
otherwise we would be constantly blackmailed.

a fleet of nuclear submarines would be very helpful.
 
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It does not matter whether in the disputed zone or not. If the exercise is held in the SCS, that's a very strong message by itself. Big countries often whisper whereas small ones can;t win over the urge to bark at every instance.

Look at the PM of Turkey. he is like mad dog, barking at everybody, at home and abroad, in inverse proportion to the countries aggregate power. Vietnam, don't be a mad turkey; or a mad Phil.
China is Big, but not a Strong country, even Phil can arrest Chinese and kill Chinese -TWse at any time they want. :pop:
 
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Whoever in the leadership of CPC or PLA military who ordered this oil rig circus should be executed for the reason of complete retardation at best, if not of traison!

It has 0 strategic or tactic value, but huge negative impact instead since it pushes Vietnam towards "Asia Pivot". The best and the easiest strategy to deal with Vietnam is using economics. The solution should be aimed at mid term. A conflict with Vietnam is NOT in China's best interests at all for the forsseeable future.

However, Vietnam's leadership should not get too excited, cuz Vietnam is actually about 2-step away from becoming a full-blown "Ukraine" if it dreams in any way to play with fire using the regional inlfuence of the US to counter China. If that were the case, NOT the Chinese, NOT Americans, but the average Vietname citizens and Vietnam Communist Party, just like average Urkainians, will end up paying the dearest price of the game.

That said, Philippines however, is a complete ball game being an existing part of "Asia Pivot" and "1st island chain", unlike Vietnam. Despite of some pretty military pact just signed with the US, Philipines actually should be the ONLY, THE MOST URGENT tartget of PLA.

Taking back all those Phillipine-invaded islets in SCS all at once is well-within PLA Navy's capablity, and should be PLA's only and most urgent task, in my view. It is a free lunch. It is also morally sound due to Phillipine's recent provocations. The timing is also perfect. If China takes this easy step instead of useless water cannon shows with Vietnam, China can settle both "Asia Pivot" and SCS issue (at least for the mid term) in one go. Forget about the US in the process, it will NOT touch a thing of PLA.

If Vietnam is in danger of becoming a self-made "Ukraine" by its blind and pointless "nationalism" , then Philippines is in fact already a self-made "Georgia" waiting to be fcuked, can't you see?
 
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Chinese back down:

China urges talks, says no 'clash' with Vietnam
(Reuters) - China on Thursday rejected Vietnamese claims it acted aggressively in the South China Sea and called for a peaceful end to a bitter row sparked by Beijing's parking of a giant oil rig in contested waters.

Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Cheng Guoping said no "clash" had taken place since the dispute erupted at the weekend. He was responding to Vietnam's assertions that Chinese vessels used water cannon and intentionally rammed eight of its ships, seriously damaging two, and wounding six sailors.

"I don't believe there was a clash. I think this was a difference of opinion on some disputes," Cheng told reporters on the sidelines of a forum in Beijing.

"The area in dispute is Chinese territory and of course we will maintain the country's core interests and defend our sovereignty. Vietnam should know this," Cheng said, adding that the two countries can resolve disputes through "peaceful talks".

"This dispute is not about the entire relationship between China and Vietnam. It's localized. It is controllable."

The two Communist nations have sought to put aside border disputes and memories of a brief border war in 1979. Vietnam is usually careful about comments against China, for which it relies on for political support and bilateral trade that surpassed $50 billion in 2013.

Still, Hanoi has strongly condemned the operation of the drilling rig, the first such action by Beijing in contested waters, and told the owners, China's state-run oil company CNOOC, to remove it.

China has parked about 80 ships around the rig, Vietnamese officials have said, adding that seven of them were military. Its foreign ministry on Wednesday showed reporters what it said were video clips of Chinese ships hitting Vietnamese Seaguard vessels.

Hanoi has also hinted at international legal action and said it had requested dialogue with China's leadership, but was awaiting a response.

Daniel Russel, the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia and Pacific, reiterated Washington's concerns about "dangerous conduct and intimidation by vessels" in the disputed area. He met senior Vietnamese leaders on Thursday and said the row had been discussed at length.

"It's fair to say both Vietnam and China have rights to claim sovereignty over the Paracels (islands)," Russel told reporters in Hanoi.

"It is not for the U.S. to say which position is stronger. It's within the rights of the United States and the international community to call all parties to address the dispute in a peaceful way."

ROW ROCKS VIETNAM MARKETS

The row with its neighbor sent Vietnam's stocks markets plummeting on Thursday. The benchmark VN Index in Ho Chi Minh City closed down 5.9 percent, its biggest one-day fall in nearly 13 years, while the smaller Hanoi bourse dropped 6.4 percent, its biggest slump since May 2010.

The country's State Securities Commission issued a statement urging investors to respond rationally to news about the dispute.

"We suggest investors stay calm, careful and avoid being taken advantage of," it said, without elaborating.

The row comes days after U.S. President Barack Obama visited Asia to underline his commitment to allies including Japan and the Philippines, both locked in territorial disputes with China.

Obama, promoting a strategic "pivot" towards the Asia-Pacific, also visited South Korea and Malaysia, but not China. Washington has been trying to court Vietnam as a new ally in the region with trade and military incentives, ostensibly to lessen Hanoi's uneasy dependence on Beijing.

However, regional military and diplomatic sources who have been briefed on U.S. navy movements said Washington had not deployed any warships close to the disputed area, although routine surveillance flights over the South China Sea were on-going.

Tensions are also brewing in another part of the sea, with Beijing demanding that the Philippines release a Chinese fishing boat and its crew seized on Tuesday off Half Moon Shoal in the Spratly Islands.

Philippine police said the boat and its crew were seized for hunting sea turtles, which are protected under local laws.

In Hanoi, Vietnamese officials said diplomats from both sides had met six times since Sunday to defuse the row but insisted Vietnam would stand up to any Chinese aggression in the energy-rich waters.

Tran Cong Truc, a former head of the national border committee of Vietnam, said his country was now in a tricky spot, as China had infringed on not just its territory, but its economic assets.

Vietnam's recent history, he said, had shown it was not worth picking a fight with.

"Vietnam is a peace loving country, but don't wake up the dragon," he said. "We never want war but it all depends on whether China wants to start a war in the region or not."

(Additional reporting by Greg Torode in Hong Kong; Writing by Michael Martina and Martin Petty; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan)
 
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Chinese back down now:

China urges talks, says no 'clash' with Vietnam

(Reuters) - China on Thursday rejected Vietnamese claims it acted aggressively in the South China Sea and called for a peaceful end to a bitter row sparked by Beijing's parking of a giant oil rig in contested waters.

Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Cheng Guoping said no "clash" had taken place since the dispute erupted at the weekend. He was responding to Vietnam's assertions that Chinese vessels used water cannon and intentionally rammed eight of its ships, seriously damaging two, and wounding six sailors.

"I don't believe there was a clash. I think this was a difference of opinion on some disputes," Cheng told reporters on the sidelines of a forum in Beijing.

"The area in dispute is Chinese territory and of course we will maintain the country's core interests and defend our sovereignty. Vietnam should know this," Cheng said, adding that the two countries can resolve disputes through "peaceful talks".

"This dispute is not about the entire relationship between China and Vietnam. It's localized. It is controllable."

The two Communist nations have sought to put aside border disputes and memories of a brief border war in 1979. Vietnam is usually careful about comments against China, for which it relies on for political support and bilateral trade that surpassed $50 billion in 2013.

Still, Hanoi has strongly condemned the operation of the drilling rig, the first such action by Beijing in contested waters, and told the owners, China's state-run oil company CNOOC, to remove it.

China has parked about 80 ships around the rig, Vietnamese officials have said, adding that seven of them were military. Its foreign ministry on Wednesday showed reporters what it said were video clips of Chinese ships hitting Vietnamese Seaguard vessels.

Hanoi has also hinted at international legal action and said it had requested dialogue with China's leadership, but was awaiting a response.

Daniel Russel, the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia and Pacific, reiterated Washington's concerns about "dangerous conduct and intimidation by vessels" in the disputed area. He met senior Vietnamese leaders on Thursday and said the row had been discussed at length.

"It's fair to say both Vietnam and China have rights to claim sovereignty over the Paracels (islands)," Russel told reporters in Hanoi.

"It is not for the U.S. to say which position is stronger. It's within the rights of the United States and the international community to call all parties to address the dispute in a peaceful way."

ROW ROCKS VIETNAM MARKETS

The row with its neighbor sent Vietnam's stocks markets plummeting on Thursday. The benchmark VN Index in Ho Chi Minh City closed down 5.9 percent, its biggest one-day fall in nearly 13 years, while the smaller Hanoi bourse dropped 6.4 percent, its biggest slump since May 2010.

The country's State Securities Commission issued a statement urging investors to respond rationally to news about the dispute.

"We suggest investors stay calm, careful and avoid being taken advantage of," it said, without elaborating.

The row comes days after U.S. President Barack Obama visited Asia to underline his commitment to allies including Japan and the Philippines, both locked in territorial disputes with China.

Obama, promoting a strategic "pivot" towards the Asia-Pacific, also visited South Korea and Malaysia, but not China. Washington has been trying to court Vietnam as a new ally in the region with trade and military incentives, ostensibly to lessen Hanoi's uneasy dependence on Beijing.

However, regional military and diplomatic sources who have been briefed on U.S. navy movements said Washington had not deployed any warships close to the disputed area, although routine surveillance flights over the South China Sea were on-going.

Tensions are also brewing in another part of the sea, with Beijing demanding that the Philippines release a Chinese fishing boat and its crew seized on Tuesday off Half Moon Shoal in the Spratly Islands.

Philippine police said the boat and its crew were seized for hunting sea turtles, which are protected under local laws.

In Hanoi, Vietnamese officials said diplomats from both sides had met six times since Sunday to defuse the row but insisted Vietnam would stand up to any Chinese aggression in the energy-rich waters.

Tran Cong Truc, a former head of the national border committee of Vietnam, said his country was now in a tricky spot, as China had infringed on not just its territory, but its economic assets.

Vietnam's recent history, he said, had shown it was not worth picking a fight with.

"Vietnam is a peace loving country, but don't wake up the dragon," he said. "We never want war but it all depends on whether China wants to start a war in the region or not."

(Additional reporting by Greg Torode in Hong Kong; Writing by Michael Martina and Martin Petty; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan)
 
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From your comments, and in these day, you vietnamese in PDF jump up and down, find you are mad at the affair.
BTW, our incompetent Govt make you mad, that's encough, don't care whether our government are incompetent, care yours.:-)
Nope, PRC Government making Chinese delusion boys gone mad and jump up and down in every Chinese froum when they back down from our water.
Chinese big mouth members should try to calm, don't let emotion make you upset and go mad.
 
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TIME | David Stout

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In this photo, released by the Vietnamese Coast Guard, a Chinese ship, left, shoots water cannon at a Vietnamese vessel, right, while a Chinese Coast Guard ship, center, sails alongside in the South China Sea off Vietnam's coast, Wednesday, May 7, 2014. Chinese ships rammed and sprayed water cannon at Vietnamese vessels trying to stop Beijing from setting up an oil rig in the area, according to Vietnamese officials and video evidence.


As Beijing appears to be openly enforcing territorial claims in the South China Sea, following a skirmish with Vietnam over a Chinese oil rig that left six people injured, one expert says a historic "moment of confrontation" has arrived

Supposedly fraternal ties between China and Vietnam failed to keep hostilities from bubbling to the surface this week, when vessels from both nations tangled near a Chinese oil rig that Hanoi claims is planning to illegally drill into the country’s continental shelf.

At least six people were injured during the skirmish on May 7, after Chinese vessels used water cannon on, and rammed into, Vietnamese craft that Hanoi had dispatched to prevent drilling from going ahead.

The deep-sea drilling platform is currently in the middle of fiercely contested waters south of the Paracel Archipelago, which is claimed by Vietnam, but has been occupied by China since its forces violently expelled a garrison stationed there by the old South Vietnamese regime in 1974.

According to Vietnamese officials, approximately 80 Chinese ships, including several naval vessels, are accompanying the rig. Displaying unusual openness, authorities in Hanoi held a press conference on Wednesday, where they showed foreign journalists video evidence of the naval encounter.

“Our maritime police and fishing protection forces have practiced extreme restraint,” Ngo Ngoc Thu, vice commander of Vietnam’s coast guard, told reporters during a press conference in Hanoi, according to the Associated Press. “We will continue to hold on there. But if [the Chinese ships] continue to ram into us, we will respond with similar self-defense.”

The weekend’s incident is the most violent confrontation to erupt between the socialist neighbors since a brief naval engagement in 1988 near the Spratly Islands left more than 60 Vietnamese sailors dead.

China has long-held claims over most of the South China Sea — in areas that are also claimed by Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines — but in recent years has become far more assertive in pursuing its territorial ambitions.

A strongly worded column in China’s Global Times newspaper on Tuesday stated that China should give Vietnam the “lesson it deserves.” The rhetoric closely mirrors the threat made by former Chinese Premier Deng Xiaoping ahead of the People’s Liberation Army’s disastrous invasion of Vietnam in 1979.

“The moment of confrontation has arrived,” Jonathan D. London, a professor and Vietnamese scholar at Hong Kong’s City University, told TIME.
“We’re shifting from an extended period in which Beijing has asserted very grandiose claims over these maritime areas to a stage in which Beijing is taking concrete measures to enforce these claims.”

On Wednesday, the U.S. State Department condemned China actions and called on all parties to refrain from “dangerous conduct.”

“This unilateral action appears to be part of a broader pattern of Chinese behavior to advance its claims over disputed territory in a manner that undermines peace and stability in the region,” said State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki in a statement released Wednesday.

Vietnam’s ruling Communist Party is now faced with the delicate task of confronting China over the issue — doing so with sufficient assertiveness to placate nationalist anger at home, and yet not risk all-out enmity with the country’s biggest trading partner.

“It’s not just a matter of the claims being important in themselves, but I think it’s because they involve contention with China that they are particularly important from a Vietnamese perspective, ” Tim Huxley, executive director of the International Institute for Strategic Studies’ Asia office, told TIME. “I think it’s true to say this resistance to Chinese domination has historically been an important factor in the forging of Vietnam’s sense of nationhood.’’

Meanwhile, Beijing appears to be holding firm on its current course of action.

In another forceful column Wednesday, the Global Times warned countries in the region from hoping that the U.S. could serve as a “big daddy” in any future conflict in the region. “China has more confidence than ever to face the U.S. in the South China Sea chessboard,” it warned.

The publication of the column comes more than a week after U.S. President Barack Obama concluded a four-nation trip to the region. While in the Philippines, President Obama signed the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement with Manila that will allow U.S. forces to increase their presence in the country.

In the South China Sea, China Is Already Acting Like a Superpower | TIME
 
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China is Big, but not a Strong country, even Phil can arrest Chinese and kill Chinese -TWse at any time they want. :pop:

The Phil apologized. The Phil leader himself, personally. And our TW was on the brink of deporting all Phil maids and all that.

That's why Taiwanese fishing boats now raises the five-star flag when they sail into the conflict zones. And Chinese Coast Guard often pays visit, to scare off the Phil pirates.

Such incident happens once more, Chinese Taipei will deal with the Phil immediately and China will make the area no-sail zone for the Phil boats.
 
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Philippines ignores China demand to free fishermen
(Associated Press) | Updated May 8, 2014

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Philippine National Police Maritime Group director, Chief Superintendent Noel Lazarus Vargas addresses the media during a news conference on the police' arrest of Chinese fishermen at one of the disputed Shoals, the Half Moon Shoal, off the South China Sea Thursday, May 8, 2014 at the police headquarters at Camp Crame northeast of Manila, Philippines. AP/Bullit Marquez

MANILA, Philippines — The Philippine National Police chief says the government will investigate 11 Chinese fishermen to see if they illegally entered the country or committed other crimes, ignoring China's demand for them to be immediately released.

China pressed the Philippines to release the fishermen and their boat, warning Manila Thursday not to take any more "provocative actions so as to avoid further damage to the bilateral relations."

Asked if the Philippines will heed China's demand, national police chief Alan Purisima says the fishermen will be investigated to determine if they illegally entered the country and committed other crimes such as poaching.

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Philippine police took the fishermen and their boat into custody Tuesday in a disputed South China Sea shoal, adding the vessel was loaded with more than 350 endangered green sea turtle.

It is the latest territorial spat between the two Asian nations, which have had increasingly tense disputes over two shoals and other areas of the South China Sea.

China earlier said via state media that Chinese officials lost contact with 11 fishermen after they were intercepted by armed men near Half Moon Shoal not far from the Philippines.

The shoal, called Hasa Hasa in the Philippines, is claimed by China as part of the Nansha island chain, known internationally as the Spratly Islands. The Spratlys are a major cluster of potentially oil- and gas-rich islands and reefs long disputed by China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam and Brunei.

China lays claim to virtually the entire South China Sea and is locked in an increasingly heated dispute with the Philippines, Vietnam and others over rights to energy resources, fishing grounds and island outposts.

In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the U.S. had seen reports that Philippine police have seized Chinese and Philippine fishing boats carrying illegally harvested sea turtles about 60 miles (96 kilometers) off the coast of the Philippines, and detained their crews. She urged both sides to work together diplomatically, and voiced U.S. concern that the vessels appeared to have been engaged in direct harvest of endangered species.

Vargas said the Chinese boat will be taken to the western Philippine province of Palawan, about 110 kilometers (70 miles) from Half Moon Shoal, and the fishermen will face charges of violating Philippine laws prohibiting catches of endangered green sea turtles.

Another boat with Philippine fishermen was also caught in the area with 70 turtles aboard, and those fishermen will face the same charges, Vargas said.

China's official Xinhua News Agency said the Chinese fishermen's vessel was intercepted on Tuesday by armed men who fired warning shots in the air. An official from the Fishing Port Monitoring Center at Tanmen in China's Hainan province confirmed the report. He said he had no other details and declined to give his name, as is common among Chinese bureaucrats.

A Chinese frigate became stuck in the shallows of Half Moon Shoal while on a security patrol in 2012, prompting China to send rescue vessels.

Philippines ignores China demand to free fishermen
 
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