South China Sea Forum

[rott]

Everyday shows off how fine the weapon are, how strong the PLA is. Yes, China and PLA are very strong, but Philippines occupies and stops the strong China by only an old tiny ship, and have stayed there for more than 10 years. What's the point or and mean of equipping nice weapon? You say those places are yours, so just prove that!

Better to have it and not need it, rather than to need it and not have it. Simple logic.

 

[xunzi]

Whenever the Vietnamese talk, it always make me LAUGH. LOLOL

 

[TheTruth]

some of the claims are really funny

What's funny are your claims to "Northeast India"

 

[chhota bheem]

What's funny are your claims to "Northeast India"

Have you checked the 9 dash line,we can both laugh together,its really funny.
Check that and comeback we can have a good laugh,if thats not enough i can give you more to laught for.come back after checking the 9 dash line first.

 

[TheTruth]

Have you checked the 9 dash line,we can both laugh together,its really funny.
Check that and comeback we can have a good laugh,if thats not enough i can give you more to laught for.come back after checking the 9 dash line first.

The 9 dash line might be funny, but it seems less flimsy than a chicken's neck, don't you think?

 

[sincity]

India need military troop to rule over Kasmir with brutal occupation, Indian army major killed in the last couple of days in fighting with Kasmir insurgency. Indian claim China imperialist mindset of wanting to grab territorial of China neighbor but Indian forget they hold Kasmir hostage with their military force. Indian opinion carry no weight in any issue related to territorial dispute of other nation.

 

[chhota bheem]

The 9 dash line might be funny, but it seems less flimsy than a chicken's neck, don't you think?

Good now that we agree the 9 dash line is funny,now lets go to the next one,since you brought up chicken neck,let me confirm are you refering to NE Indian,if so,not only the chicken neck,i have the whole chicken to talk to,it will be funny.

 

[Wholegrain]

Your war machines do not work, your tacticians suk dik, your troopers are cowardice. That's why your loser military has lost every war against us since 938 A.D. There is nothing to brag about superior losing streak LOL

Is this why Vietnam got:

Defeated by Cham in 1326

Defeated by Ming China in 1407

Mạc Đăng Dung grovelled before the Ming army and gave up land to China to prevent an invasion in 1540

Ming China, 1368-1644: A Concise History of a Resilient Empire - John W. Dardess - Google Books

Defeated by France and Spain in 1862

Entire country occupied and colonized by France in 1885

 

[ViXuyen]

Is this why Vietnam got:

Defeated by Cham in 1326

Defeated by Ming China in 1407

Mạc Đăng Dung grovelled before the Ming army and gave up land to China to prevent an invasion in 1540

Ming China, 1368-1644: A Concise History of a Resilient Empire - John W. Dardess - Google Books

Defeated by France and Spain in 1862

Entire country occupied and colonized by France in 1885

And Vietnam defeated Ming China in 1427, capturing 100,000 Chinese in battle. The defeat in 1407 does not count as most of the Ho Dynasty troops did not fight in protest of their support for the Tran. Yet, it took the Ming 6 months to "defeat" Vietnam

 

[Wholegrain]

Just need some Vietnamese women militia, our girls captured hundreds of PLA troops in 1979, like this:

See also: China-Vietnam Border War, 30 Years Later - Photo Essays - TIME

These are minority Tay and Nung women, not ethnic Vietnamese Kinh women, because the Kinh women got killed or captured.

I posted the cemetery for Kinh women militia who died in the 1979 war on this thread. The places of birth on the gravestones indicate they are Kinh. See here.

South China Sea News & Discussions | Page 262

What happened was the real Viet Kinh female militia got killed, so Vietnamese propaganda photographers had to get some random Tay or Nung women for propaganda pictures.

All the photos of Vietnamese women militia captured by China also show Kinh women, there are zero minority women to be found.

And Vietnam defeated Ming China in 1427, capturing 100,000 Chinese in battle. The defeat in 1407 does not count as most of the Ho Dynasty troops did not fight in protest of their support for the Tran. Yet, it took the Ming 6 months to "defeat" Vietnam

The Ming army fighting Le Loi was also made out of Kinh from the Hanoi and Red River Delta area, I discussed this already.

Chinese general arrested for gilded lifestyle | Page 6

And most of the Vietnamese Kinh ancestors in the Red River Delta and Hanoi supported the Ming rule. The Kinh were "people of the capital".

It was Le Loi, who lived in the Vietnamese borderlands in Thanh Hoa where the "barbarian" Trai people (people of the camps) lived, where he started his rebellion. Le Loi himself was NOT a Kinh, but a Trai, and his army was made out of Trai people. The Kinh viewed Trai as barbarians.

Many of the Kinh Vietnamese in the Red River plain supported the Ming. Le Loi's anti Ming rebellion, was actually a Trai vs Kinh war, with the Kinh fighting for Ming against the Le dynasty Trai.

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Strange Parallels: Southeast Asia in Global Context, C. 800 - 1830 - Victor B. Lieberman - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

The Trai people are ancestors of the Muong people. The Trai/Muong and Kinh were both of the same origin originally, speaking the same language. The difference between the Trai/Muong and Kinh, is that Kinh Vietnamese were influenced by Chinese culture, religion, and language, with Kinh adopting thousands of Chinese loanwords in their language, using Chu Nom characters, adopting Chinese Daoism, Confucianism, government, and alot of Chinese culture. The Trai/Muong refused to adopt it and maintained the original "barbarian" culture from before Chinese influenced Vietnam.

Muong people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Le Loi was a Trai/Muong, with a Trai/Muong army fighting against the Ming-Kinh Vietnamese forces. After Le Loi overthrew Ming rule, he and Le dynasty historians like Ngo Si Lien engaged in rewriting Vietnamese history to justify their own rule over Vietnam.

The Le dynasty then created the Kinh as a new ethnicity to seperate Vietnamese from minorities and other peoples. Before that, there was no seperate Kinh ethnic group, thats why the "Kinh" of the Red River region supported the Ming.

Goddess on the Rise: Pilgrimage and Popular Religion in Vietnam - Philip Taylor - Google Books

Human Rights in Asia: A Comparative Legal Study of Twelve Asian ... - Google Books

Historical Dictionary of the Peoples of the Southeast Asian Massif - Jean Michaud - Google Books

Postwar Vietnam: Dynamics of a Transforming Society - Google Books

The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia - James C. Scott - Google Books

Culture and Customs of Vietnam - Mark W. McLeod, Thi Dieu Nguyen - Google Books

Le dynasty historian Ngo Si Lien started inventing tales about Vietnamese being descended from Shennong and making stories up about the Hung Kings, to extend the Kinh's ethnic history back to antiquity to 4,000 years ago. Before that, the Kinh didn't have a seperate distinct history.

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Blood and Soil: A World History of Genocide and Extermination from Sparta to ... - Ben Kiernan - Google Books

 

[k_arura]

Both of OP's 'articles' are from the discredited neocon think tank CSIS, one of the primary agitators that spread rumors about Iraqi WMDs to justify US invasion. Educated people wouldn't dare associate themselves with such toxic sources, OP must not understand his humiliation right now. Can't OP diversify his propaganda sources? Or maybe he can't act without his propaganda overseer's permission?

It is time India tore a page from China and created some maps and throw them at Beijing's face showing whole of China part of India 2000 years ago And let China prove them wrong!

I find it highly interesting that the usually feisty Pakistanis suddenly lose their voices when China's issue comes up. Any thoughts/ideas why?

India need military troop to rule over Kasmir with brutal occupation, Indian army major killed in the last couple of days in fighting with Kasmir insurgency. Indian claim China imperialist mindset of wanting to grab territorial of China neighbor but Indian forget they hold Kasmir hostage with their military force. Indian opinion carry no weight in any issue related to territorial dispute of other nation.

You mean like our civil war in 1867?

 

[ViXuyen]

These are minority Tay and Nung women, not ethnic Vietnamese Kinh women, because the Kinh women got killed or captured.

I posted the cemetery for Kinh women militia who died in the 1979 war on this thread. The places of birth on the gravestones indicate they are Kinh. See here.

South China Sea News & Discussions | Page 262

What happened was the real Viet Kinh female militia got killed, so Vietnamese propaganda photographers had to get some random Tay or Nung women for propaganda pictures.

All the photos of Vietnamese women militia captured by China also show Kinh women, there are zero minority women to be found.



The Ming army fighting Le Loi was also made out of Kinh from the Hanoi and Red River Delta area, I discussed this already.

Chinese general arrested for gilded lifestyle | Page 6

And most of the Vietnamese Kinh ancestors in the Red River Delta and Hanoi supported the Ming rule. The Kinh were "people of the capital".

It was Le Loi, who lived in the Vietnamese borderlands in Thanh Hoa where the "barbarian" Trai people (people of the camps) lived, where he started his rebellion. Le Loi himself was NOT a Kinh, but a Trai, and his army was made out of Trai people. The Kinh viewed Trai as barbarians.

Many of the Kinh Vietnamese in the Red River plain supported the Ming. Le Loi's anti Ming rebellion, was actually a Trai vs Kinh war, with the Kinh fighting for Ming against the Le dynasty Trai.

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Strange Parallels: Southeast Asia in Global Context, C. 800 - 1830 - Victor B. Lieberman - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

The Trai people are ancestors of the Muong people. The Trai/Muong and Kinh were both of the same origin originally, speaking the same language. The difference between the Trai/Muong and Kinh, is that Kinh Vietnamese were influenced by Chinese culture, religion, and language, with Kinh adopting thousands of Chinese loanwords in their language, using Chu Nom characters, adopting Chinese Daoism, Confucianism, government, and alot of Chinese culture. The Trai/Muong refused to adopt it and maintained the original "barbarian" culture from before Chinese influenced Vietnam.

Muong people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Le Loi was a Trai/Muong, with a Trai/Muong army fighting against the Ming-Kinh Vietnamese forces. After Le Loi overthrew Ming rule, he and Le dynasty historians like Ngo Si Lien engaged in rewriting Vietnamese history to justify their own rule over Vietnam.

The Le dynasty then created the Kinh as a new ethnicity to seperate Vietnamese from minorities and other peoples. Before that, there was no seperate Kinh ethnic group, thats why the "Kinh" of the Red River region supported the Ming.

Goddess on the Rise: Pilgrimage and Popular Religion in Vietnam - Philip Taylor - Google Books

Human Rights in Asia: A Comparative Legal Study of Twelve Asian ... - Google Books

Historical Dictionary of the Peoples of the Southeast Asian Massif - Jean Michaud - Google Books

Postwar Vietnam: Dynamics of a Transforming Society - Google Books

The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia - James C. Scott - Google Books

Culture and Customs of Vietnam - Mark W. McLeod, Thi Dieu Nguyen - Google Books

Le dynasty historian Ngo Si Lien started inventing tales about Vietnamese being descended from Shennong and making stories up about the Hung Kings, to extend the Kinh's ethnic history back to antiquity to 4,000 years ago. Before that, the Kinh didn't have a seperate distinct history.

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Blood and Soil: A World History of Genocide and Extermination from Sparta to ... - Ben Kiernan - Google Books

Lengthy post full of shit history written by some third rated historian using seconary sources. How the like of u becoming a think tank is beyound one's imagination. Say hi to Lieu Thang for me, we had the Ming's best man head on a pike. Don't forget to mention Ming shi explicitely stated how humiliated the defeat of Ming at Annam was. 100,000 Ming troops got captured alive, Vuong Thong surrendred, Lieu Thang lost his head LOL

 

[Wholegrain]

Lengthy post full of shit history written by some third rated historian using seconary sources. How the like of u becoming a think tank is beyound one's imagination. Say hi to Lieu Thang for me, we had the Ming's best man head on a pike. Don't forget to mention Ming shi explicitely stated how humiliated the defeat of Ming at Annam was. 100,000 Ming troops got captured alive, Vuong Thong surrendred, Lieu Thang lost his head LOL

That history was written by a Professor of Vietnamese studies at Cornell University.

Keith Weller Taylor - Department of Asian Studies

Also another Professor who said that Le Loi was his men were non-Kinh. On page 95 of this document.

http://www.researchgate.net/profile..._the_15th_century/file/60b7d51df84438389a.pdf

Dr Tana Li - Researchers - ANU

Professor Keith Taylor wrote an entire article about Le Loi not being Kinh.

“On Being Muonged,” Asian Ethnicity, vol. 2, nbr. 1 (March 2001):25-34.

The Kinh in Red River Delta fought for the Ming against Le Loi's Trai/Muong army, most people who got killed by Le Loi's men were Kinh.

 

[ViXuyen]

That history was written by a Professor of Vietnamese studies at Cornell University.

Keith Weller Taylor - Department of Asian Studies

Also another Professor who said that Le Loi was his men were non-Kinh. On page 95 of this document.

http://www.researchgate.net/profile..._the_15th_century/file/60b7d51df84438389a.pdf

Dr Tana Li - Researchers - ANU

Professor Keith Taylor wrote an entire article about Le Loi not being Kinh.

“On Being Muonged,” Asian Ethnicity, vol. 2, nbr. 1 (March 2001):25-34.

The Kinh in Red River Delta fought for the Ming against Le Loi's Trai/Muong army, most people who got killed by Le Loi's men were Kinh.

Rubbish, the Ming sent reinforcement from China with 100,000 men and these third-rated historians are saying otherwise? Read Mingshi please

You're the biggest troll on this forum.

That history was written by a Professor of Vietnamese studies at Cornell University.

Keith Weller Taylor - Department of Asian Studies

Also another Professor who said that Le Loi was his men were non-Kinh. On page 95 of this document.

http://www.researchgate.net/profile..._the_15th_century/file/60b7d51df84438389a.pdf

Dr Tana Li - Researchers - ANU

Professor Keith Taylor wrote an entire article about Le Loi not being Kinh.

“On Being Muonged,” Asian Ethnicity, vol. 2, nbr. 1 (March 2001):25-34.

The Kinh in Red River Delta fought for the Ming against Le Loi's Trai/Muong army, most people who got killed by Le Loi's men were Kinh.

Other than quoting from third-rated historian who even made up an ethnicity called "Trai", what other sources do you provide? I find it hilarious that you avoid quoting the contemporary/primary sources like Dai Viet Su Ky Toan Thu or even your Ming shi LOL

 

[EastSea]

Whenever the Vietnamese talk, it always make me LAUGH. LOLOL

we don't care what idiot do.