South China Sea: China Drops a Bombshell

[Cherokee]

And here's the Result : Gambit Nailed Martian2. Gambit 3 , Martian2 0 .

They are claiming all the lands held by different dynasties . If Britishers , Mongols , uighurs , Vitenam start doing it china will run around like a little girl who got no sweets .

 

[Speeder 2]

You Chinese are liars. You are claiming the South China sea on the account of "Yuan Dynasty" Which is originated from Mongolia. According to the Foolish logic of Chinese the whole of China should belong to Mongolia and the ancestors of Kublai Khan.

No wonder the best of India scored the lowest of 76 countries/regions tested (technically almost all major countries) in the world in PISA in all categories which include Reading Comprehension.

You lots just can’t read, let alone comprehend – perhaps it’s partially due to the fact that Martian 2 has omitted to mention that awesome “3 megaton” in his last post as an Indian-specific incentive. But, hey, does he need to say that in every post in order to temporarily inspire and soup up your intelligence to a higher level suitable for a normal conversation?

And you have balls to call others liars?


China’s sovereignty claim over SCS is based on countless, continuous, and the most complete (in relation to others) historical facts and legal documents since Han Dynasty still now in a time span of over thousands of years that include, but not limited to ( far more than that as inferred), Yuen Dynasty. Which word your 81 brain cells can’t figure out? :smoke:

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Apart from what Martians said, I find another comment on its modern day development quite informative as well:

Before jumping the gun here people should perhaps conduct a little research - here is a fairly comprehensive and neutral synopsis http://hoangsa.org/tailieu/The...

The Vietnamese government has explicitly acknowledged Chinese sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and territory in writing F - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia... . Furthermore the Vice Foreign Minister of the DRV (North Vietnam) Ung Van Khiem admitted Chinese sovereignty over the Spratlys and Paracels and another Vietnamese official, Le Loc (Temporary Head of the Asian Mission), confirmed that position. On 15/6/1956 Ung Van Khiem was hosting a visit from the Chinese temporary ambassador in Vietnam and is recorded as saying that: “According to documents that Vietnam has presently, historically speaking, Tay Sa and Nam Sa islands belong to China.” http://tinyurl.com/vn1956abrog...

The Republic of China (Taiwan) which ruled mainland China before 1949 also claims all of the Spratly Islands. Today, the People's Liberation Army and the Republic of China Armed Forces are both stationed in several islands, including the largest, Taiping Island - occupied by ROC. From 1932 to 1935, the ROC continued to include the territory in its administrative area through the Map Compilation Committee. When France claimed nine islands of the territory in 1933, it immediately encountered a revolt from Chinese fishermen and a protest from the Republic of China government in Nanking. After the second world war, China reclaimed sovereignty over the islands from the Japanese through internationally recognised arrangements based on various treaties settled by the Allied Powers (e.g. the Treaty of Taipei with Japan), and in 1947 China built stone markers on several of the islands.

In 1947, the ROC government renamed 159 islands in the area and published the Map of the South China Sea Islands; as such, it was the first government to establish an administrative presence in the Spratly Islands, and it has occupied Taiping Island (the largest island) constantly since 1956.

It is consequently clear that - whether ROC or PRC is the rightful claimant - by the time of the UNCLOS in 1982 these islands were not "terra nullius" and the uninlateral extension of a 200 mile EEZ does not confer sovereignty in the face of existing title (UNCLOS Article 15)

Vietnam does not have a legal leg to stand on

Anti-Chinese protests in Vietnam as South China Sea tensions rise - Telegraph

 

[Martian2]

You Chinese are liars. You are claiming the South China sea on the account of "Yuan Dynasty" Which is originated from Mongolia. According to the Foolish logic of Chinese the whole of China should belong to Mongolia and the ancestors of Kublai Khan.

You need glasses. See my post #68 below. Get your history straight (see citation below).

Han Dynasty: 206 BCE (before current era) – 220 CE (current era)

Yuan Dynasty: 1271–1368 CE

Modern China includes the territories after the Han Dynasty boundaries from 2,000 years ago. China discovered and claimed more unexplored lands. Our present-day boundaries include ALL of Chinese discovered and claimed territories.

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http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/3904-south-china-sea-represents-a-new-persian-gulf

"In the case of the Spratlys, the Chinese claim goes further back more than two thousand years ago when a Han dynasty navigator discovered the islands during a journey through the South China Sea."

 

[USAHawk785]

You Chinese are liars. You are claiming the South China sea on the account of "Yuan Dynasty" Which is originated from Mongolia. According to the Foolish logic of Chinese the whole of China should belong to Mongolia and the ancestors of Kublai Khan.

The loquacity of their verbiage is rather tiring.

 

[Srinivas]

You need glasses. See my post #68 below. Get your history straight (see citation below).

Han Dynasty: 206 BCE (before current era) – 220 CE (current era)

Yuan Dynasty: 1271–1368 CE



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South China Sea represents 'a new Persian Gulf'?

"In the case of the Spratlys, the Chinese claim goes further back more than two thousand years ago when a Han dynasty navigator discovered the islands during a journey through the South China Sea."

Chinese IQ at its best
Indians also conquered and ruled present day Afganistan and Central Asian countries during Maurya dynasty That does not mean thay has to be under Indian rule.
During Raja Raja Chola the countries like Thailand,Burma,Indonesia, Malasia and Singapore are ruled by Indian ruler if the same logic applies to India then India will be a vast Empire compared to China.

Some of the arguments which the Chinese making in this forum make me laugh and wonder about the logic these guys use

 

[p3avi8tor69]

But if China owns those islands how come it can't enforce it ownership.

 

[Martian2]

But if China owns those islands how come it can't enforce it ownership.

US Navy is in the way. China needs another ten to twenty years. There is a semi-Cold War underway. Notice the arms race on both sides. NMD for the U.S. is counterbalanced by China's successful mid-course GBI intercept.

They're growling at each other, but China's economy is stronger (e.g. uses more energy with a larger manufacturing sector) and growing a lot faster.

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At Sukhoi_30MKI, no one cares about Indian history or your interpretation. Your country has no military power. The last time Indian interpretation conflicted with China's view, you got whacked in the 1962 war.

You guys are losers and no one cares what losers think.

 

[Srinivas]

US Navy is in the way. China needs another ten to twenty years. There is a semi-Cold War underway. Notice the arms race on both sides. NMD for the U.S. is counterbalanced by China's successful mid-course GBI intercept.

They're growling at each other, but China's economy is stronger (e.g. uses more energy with a larger manufacturing sector) and growing a lot faster.

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At Sukhoi_30MKI, no one cares about Indian history or your interpretation. Your country has no military power. The last time Indian interpretation conflicted with China's view, you got whacked in the 1962 war.

You guys are losers and no one cares what losers think.

Stick to the topic my friend. Chinese logic to claim the SCS does not work.

It is who is obssesed with India . China just intruded into Indian territory when India was sleeping after realizing their mistake they went back and respected the Mcmohan Line.
Talking about losers i think Chinese are the ones who got humiliated in the hands of Japan.

 

[Martian2]

Stick to the topic my friend. Chinese logic to claim the SCS does not work.

It is who who is obssesed with India . China just intruded into Indian territory when India was sleeping after realizing their mistake they went back and respected the Mcmohan Line.
Talking about losers i think Chinese are the ones who got humiliated in the hands of Japan.

You and the Vietnamese guys are like brain dead parrots.

Get this through your head. The Mongols are history. So are the Japanese. They will never be world powers again.

China has 3.3-megaton thermonuclear warhead technology and they have historical claims to assert.

Do you understand the critical difference?

 

[Srinivas]

You and the Vietnamese guys are like brain dead parrots.

Get this through your head. The Mongols are history. So are the Japanese. They will never be world powers again.

China has 3.3-megaton thermonuclear warhead technology and they have historical claims to assert.

Do you understand the critical difference?

Are you aware of recent Hawaii maritime exercises in which more than 45000 personal and large number of naval flotilla is participating. All the world countries including India and Russia are participating in this one.
To destroy Shangai or Beiging less tha 1 Mega ton nuclear device is enough, no need for 3.3 super duper invincible nuclear device .

 

[Martian2]

Are you aware of recent Hawaii maritime exercises in which more than 45000 personal and large number of naval flotilla is participating. All the world countries including India and Russia are participating in this one.
To destroy Shangai or Beiging less tha 1 Mega ton nuclear device is enough, no need for 3.3 super duper invincible nuclear device .

This only highlights my point. There are only three military powers worth talking about: U.S., China, and Russia.

No one cares about India or the other trivial countries. The standoff in the South China Sea is a struggle between China and the U.S. It has nothing to do with you midget countries.

 

[Srinivas]

This only highlights my point. There are only three military powers worth talking about: U.S., China, and Russia.

No one cares about India or the other trivial countries. The standoff in the South China Sea is a struggle between China and the U.S. It has nothing to do with you midget countries.

Tell the same thing to your oppresssor CCP and don't issue statements which include India as a factor in SCS dispute.

 

[faithfulguy]

Tell the same thing to your oppresssor CCP and don't issue statements which include India as a factor in SCS dispute.

What is India doing in SCS region? Shouldn't India worry about itself in the IOR? First, secure your neighborhood than go some where esle.

 

[manofwar]

What is India doing in SCS region? Shouldn't India worry about itself in the IOR? First, secure your neighborhood than go some where esle.

We are already the hegemon in the IOR region, with no local navy capable enough to rival ours.(Atleast not in the North IOR, the region of Indian interest)

You and the Vietnamese guys are like brain dead parrots.

Get this through your head. The Mongols are history. So are the Japanese. They will never be world powers again.

China has 3.3-megaton thermonuclear warhead technology and they have historical claims to assert.

Do you understand the critical difference?

And has it been integrated with a ballistic missile?? Is it actually possible logically for China to deliver such a warhead??

 

[tvsram1992]

Martian2 , please dont feel shame of your country , dare to show your flags . You did the same again . Atleast next time dont show off , do some real action .