Some snaps of OplotM & VT4 testing in Pakistan

[Beast]

Now i am having doubts over your sanity..

From your own footage..

Watch from 36:18.. the AZ style autoloader and its two piece ammo being loaded is in action.

Now please, dont come with another super duper explanation.

here is t-72 autoloader at work.. compare both.

You are the claiming VT-4 using a copy of t-72s 2E28 liac stabilization system is also a fact and please tell me how Type 96 tank beats Russian T-72 in shooting competition? Care to explain? Or you want to claim VT-4 a high end export tank used inferior Russian copy stabiliser while Type 96A tank which is low tier tank clear for export to countries like Mynamar and Bangladesh uses more advance stabilised than China so called high end export of VT-4?

 

[Dazzler]

You are the claiming VT-4 using a copy of t-72s 2E28 liac stabilization system is also a fact and please tell me how Type 96 tank beats Russian T-72 in shooting competition? Care to explain? Or you want to claim VT-4 a high end export tank used inferior Russian copy stabiliser while Type 96A tank which is low tier tank clear for export to countries like Mynamar and Bangladesh uses more advance stabilised than China so called high end export of VT-4?

I am curious, how old are you??

Will reply your queries later.

 

[Beast]

I am curious, how old are you??

Will reply your queries later.

Cant beat my facts and resort to name calling and insult? Can you do better? You have yet to answer many of my inquiries and desperate to avoid many valid points while resort to typical nonsense make up statement without backing or proof.

I am not asking too much,right? While when facts of VT-4 is better than others. You and your usual gang will brush aside as boasting.. You mean when Chinese present true fact about their weaponry better than counterparts is a boasting? So when western say their weapon is better than Chinese without fact is not? Oh I see where your conclusion comes from.

Fantasy.

 

[Dazzler]

Cant beat my facts and resort to name calling and insult? Can you do better? You have yet to answer many of my inquiries and desperate to avoid many valid points while resort to typical nonsense make up statement without backing or proof.

I am not asking too much,right? While when facts of VT-4 is better than others. You and your usual gang will brush aside as boasting.. You mean when Chinese present true fact about their weaponry better than counterparts is a boasting? So when western say their weapon is better than Chinese without fact is not? Oh I see where your conclusion comes from.

Fantasy.

So you believe every word your president says?

 

[Beast]

So you believe every word your president says?

I yet to receive any of your concrete proof VT-4 used a stabilizer that T-72 used which can't even rival a mediocre Chinese Type 96A in a live competition?

You are making a lot of things up just to suit your hate. I ma just presenting facts, back with video and proof. Nothing more...

 

[Dazzler]

I yet to receive any of your concrete proof VT-4 used a stabilizer that T-72 used which can't even rival a mediocre Chinese Type 96A in a live competition?

You are making a lot of things up just to suit your hate. I ma just presenting facts, back with video and proof. Nothing more...

What if i tell you that even the optics were copied from Russian mbt? That will boil you up pretty bad.

 

[Beast]

What if i tell you that even the optics were copied from Russian mbt? That will boil you up pretty bad.

Yes yes, you can even claim the engine of VT-4 is copy from T-34. It it makes you better. Go ahead

 

[ptldM3]

Let me once again shown you the so called better stabilizing from Chinese tank. 5 score out of 5 hits and the tank never even needs to slow down to aim and shot becos the FCS and stabilizing are so superior.
Remember, this Chinese version is just a mediocre Type 96 tank , its not even Type 96B . Not to mention comparable to VT-4. Yet is superior on the move shooting trump anything Russian can throw at.

Superior to anything Russia can throw at it? Russia beat China every year in the tank biathlon using T-72B3s while China was using its newest tanks such as Type96B. Some T-72s achieved 100% hits.

 

[Beast]

Superior to anything Russia can throw at it? Russia beat China every year in the tank biathlon using T-72B3s while China was using its newest tanks such as Type96B. Some T-72s achieved 100% hits.

Sorry, video dont lies. The first tank biathlon competition which Chinese are using their own rounds, Chinese tank is the only one who achieved all hits while none of Russian made tank score perfect hits. Russian biased scoring helps Russian win the competition by emphasizing on racing and speed(Russia T-72b3 which used in competition used a modify 1130hp engine. WHile Chinese just pick any tank from operational unit with a 850hp engine) while placing low scoring point for shooting.

When comes to second tank biathlon competition, Russia changes rule. Chinese Type96B are not allow to used their own round while needed to use rounds provide by Russian. Guess what happen to Chinese shooting quality? All these are well documented. No way to spin.

 

[ptldM3]

Sorry, video dont lies. The first tank biathlon competition which Chinese are using their own rounds, Chinese tank is the only one who achieved all hits while none of Russian made tank score perfect hits.

Yes, yes Russia is lying about having perfect scores. The Type 96 somehow loses every year but is better.




http://www.newsweek.com/russia-leads-china-tank-olympics-hailing-its-kit-best-world-644990?amp=1

One of Russia’s tank crews in the biathlon took the lead early on Sunday with the fastest average time (19 minutes 10 seconds) and a perfect shooting record, hitting all five targets on the first try.

Russian biased scoring helps Russian win the competition by emphasizing on racing and speed(Russia T-72b3 which used in competition used a modify 1130hp engine.

The Type96B has a 1200HP engine. Most of the tanks in the past at the biathalon have been T-72Bs (780HP) and India brought at T-90. Im also not sure how Russia can be bias. Either a tank finishes the race or it doesn't, either a tank hits targets or it doesn't. Either the tank can triverse obstacles or it can't. The tank biathalon is just one event, they had many other events such as airborne competition were China took 1st place.


When China takes 1st place at some of the events or has mechanical problems how does that have anything to do with "Russian bias"?

 

[Beast]

Yes, yes Russia is lying about having perfect scores. The Type 96 somehow loses every year but is better.




http://www.newsweek.com/russia-leads-china-tank-olympics-hailing-its-kit-best-world-644990?amp=1

One of Russia’s tank crews in the biathlon took the lead early on Sunday with the fastest average time (19 minutes 10 seconds) and a perfect shooting record, hitting all five targets on the first try.







The Type96B has a 1200HP engine. Most of the tanks in the past at the biathalon have been T-72Bs (780HP) and India brought at T-90. Im also not sure how Russia can be bias. Either a tank finishes the race or it doesn't, either a tank hits targets or it doesn't. Either the tank can triverse obstacles or it can't. The tank biathalon is just one event, they had many other events such as airborne competition were China took 1st place.


When China takes 1st place at some of the events or has mechanical problems how does that have anything to do with "Russian bias"?

Why emit some of my post and avoid some of my points?

This is clearly a 2014 competition. China clearly score perfect while Russian tank do not. Russian changes rules soon in 2015 competition onwards. Chinese tank are not allow to bring their own rounds for the tank biathlon. Care to explain it?

Type96B do not use 1200hp engine. Do I need a Russian to tell me more about Chinese equipment? If a 1200hp engine is installed. That will require a major modification of extending a bulge at the back of chassis to accommodate bigger engine.

VT-4

You can see the raise at the back of chassis due to bigger 1200-1300hp engine installed.

The Type96B send to tank biathlon are all operation units(1000hp) with no special modification unlike Russia who send modify T-72 with 1130hp.

 

[sinait]

When China takes 1st place at some of the events or has mechanical problems how does that have anything to do with "Russian bias"?

China is able to take 1st place at some of the events that Russia had decided those events do not warrant their effort to have the rules tinkered and mangled to make sure Russia will win.
There was 1 event where Russia suspended and changed the rules while race was on going when they were losing.

China not being able to use its own rounds that is well calibrated with their guns is clearly a big handicap.
China as a guest at the games, was generous to not protest strongly against such blatant manipulation.


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[ptldM3]

Why emit some of my post and avoid some of my points?

There is full videos of the events. No one cheated, China just lost. It's a hard pill to swallow but it's sad how you're making excuses and accusations when you can watch the entire event and see why China lost.


And what did I emit what? You are the one emitting facts, Russia had perfect scores in hitting all targets (proof provide) but you keep mentioning China had a perfect score 1 year. China also had a tank lose a wheel, and it's not just about hitting targets but how fast you can hit them and how quickly you can triverse obstacles and not get penalized. It's more about how well the crews are then how much power the engines make.

As an example Zimbabwe is always last place while there are countries using an identical tank that outperform Zimbabwe each year.

This is clearly a 2014 competition. China clearly score perfect while Russian tank do not. Russian changes rules soon in 2015 competition onwards.

It does not matter if in one competition China scored perfect....so did Russia. It's like arguing that a football team that had more yards should be the winner even though they scored less points. The tanks had to complete an obstacle course, which included water submersion, hill claims and many other obstacles. In some of these events the Chinese tank did not perform better then T-72, also as I mentioned its about how good of a crew you have.

Chinese tank are not allow to bring their own rounds for the tank biathlon. Care to explain it?

Never heard it before. Nor would it matter, its not like the Chinese tank would perform worse with Russian ammunition. I'm not sure if Russian ammunition would even be comparable with Chinese tanks unless the Chinese copied the T-72 audoloader.

Type96B do not use 1200hp engine. Do I need a Russian to tell me more about Chinese equipment?

Except every source says the Type 96B has 1200HP. I also love how every time a Chinese poster doesn't like what someone say they automatically make the same excuses that they know more because they are Chinese

In that case I don't need a Chinese telling me about the Russian tank biathalon. You can't even understand the rules or judges.

If a 1200hp engine is installed. That will require a major modification of extending a bulge at the back of chassis to accommodate bigger engine.

That is literally BS. You don't need to make the engine bigger to make more power. Improved fuel management system, fuel injectors, turbos, exhaust, cam timing, flywheels, ext can all increase power. Ukrainian tanks have small 6 cylinder engines that outperform larger Chinese engines.


I have increase the power in my car by just adjusting the ECM computer.



Clearly the Type 96B has a new engine:

China is able to take 1st place at some of the events that Russia had decided those events do not warrant their effort to have the rules tinkered and mangled to make sure Russia will win.
There was 1 event where Russia suspended and changed the rules while race was on going when they were losing.

China not being able to use its own rounds that is well calibrated with their guns is clearly a big handicap.
China as a guest at the games, was generous to not protest strongly against such blatant manipulation.


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Stop making retarded excuses. Every time China loses a bunch of angry Chinese on forum make conspiracies and excuses and then people like you repeat the same crap. You can watch the entire tank biathalon. It's very clear why China lost.

And China took first place in many other events so stop with the conspiracies. Why did Russia not change the rules for other events so China can not win?

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Frankly i'm pretty glad we only give export versions of Chinese weapons to Pakistan. This way we don't need to actually give anyone access to our best weapons and keep others in the dark until its too late.

Its fine if they don't think much of the VT-4 as it was always just a shadow of Chinas true MBT capabilities aka type 99A2. Its quite funny that a downgraded export model can even compete vs another countries best offerings that they can barely afford themselves.

 

[sinait]

There is full videos of the events. No one cheated, China just lost. It's a hard pill to swallow but it's sad how you're making excuses and accusations when you can watch the entire event and see why China lost.


And what did I emit what? You are the one emitting facts, Russia had perfect scores in hitting all targets (proof provide) but you keep mentioning China had a perfect score 1 year. China also had a tank lose a wheel, and it's not just about hitting targets but how fast you can hit them and how quickly you can triverse obstacles and not get penalized. It's more about how well the crews are then how much power the engines make.

As an example Zimbabwe is always last place while there are countries using an identical tank that outperform Zimbabwe each year.









It does not matter if in one competition China scored perfect....so did Russia. It's like arguing that a football team that had more yards should be the winner even though they scored less points. The tanks had to complete an obstacle course, which included water submersion, hill claims and many other obstacles. In some of these events the Chinese tank did not perform better then T-72, also as I mentioned its about how good of a crew you have.








Never heard it before. Nor would it matter, its not like the Chinese tank would perform worse with Russian ammunition. I'm not sure if Russian ammunition would even be comparable with Chinese tanks unless the Chinese copied the T-72 audoloader.









Except every source says the Type 96B has 1200HP. I also love how every time a Chinese poster doesn't like what someone say they automatically make the same excuses that they know more because they are Chinese

In that case I don't need a Chinese telling me about the Russian tank biathalon. You can't even understand the rules or judges.








That is literally BS. You don't need to make the engine bigger to make more power. Improved fuel management system, fuel injectors, turbos, exhaust, cam timing, flywheels, ext can all increase power. Ukrainian tanks have small 6 cylinder engines that outperform larger Chinese engines.


I have increase the power in my car by just adjusting the ECM computer.



Clearly the Type 96B has a new engine:

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Stop making retarded excuses. Every time China loses a bunch of angry Chinese on forum make conspiracies and excuses and then people like you repeat the same crap. You can watch the entire tank biathalon. It's very clear why China lost.

And China took first place in many other events so stop with the conspiracies. Why did Russia not change the rules for other events so China can not win?

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So much hot air but you haven't answered why they deny the Chinese to use their own rounds that their guns are calibrated with.
You are beginning to sound like an Indian.
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