Some snaps of OplotM & VT4 testing in Pakistan

[BERKEKHAN2]

Oplot M testing in 2015

 

[BHarwana]

Ammunition for VT-4

 

[BERKEKHAN2]

Pakistan should select both

 

[Dazzler]

Ammunition for VT-4


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interesting, they are offering a new, slightly longer apfsds round with it, the one sitting at extreme right. Its not the older type-2M thats for sure.

Compare it with these..

 

[python-000]

PA must be give a chance to Turkey ALTAY tank its a quite aggressive machine

 

[Dazzler]

PA must be give a chance to Turkey ALTAY tank its a quite aggressive machine

It is too expensive, somewhere around 8$ million a piece, that too flyaway cost, excluding ammo and maintenance. It is too heavy for the terrain it is going to operate. it will be a maintenance nightmare if bought.

 

[帅的一匹]

It broke down. Possibly because of maintenance issues.

Both of them broke down.

 

[sinait]

It broke down. Possibly because of maintenance issues.

Do you know how silly you sound ?
That the Indians would select 2 similarly badly maintained tanks out of their thousand plus T-90s that they are showcasing at a internationally held competition for the first time.
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[ptldM3]

Do you know how silly you sound ?
That the Indians would select 2 similarly badly maintained tanks out of their thousand plus T-90s that they are showcasing at a internationally held competition for the first time.
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Do you know how ignorant you sound? Have you every had any hands on experience with working on ingines? Some of the simplest maintenance work will result in catrastrohic failures if done improper. I had a spark plug blow out and my engine lost compression because my spark plugs did not get tightened to spec so the compression from the engine caused them to shoot out.

Neglecting maintained will also result in failure if the engine is pushed hard. The T-72s have a good reliability record in general and have performed good in competitions. Engines generally don't break down for no reason unless maintenance is neglected or done improperly and it is exacerbated with adverse driving conditions.

 

[HAIDER]

It is too expensive, somewhere around 8$ million a piece, that too flyaway cost, excluding ammo and maintenance. It is too heavy for the terrain it is going to operate. it will be a maintenance nightmare if bought.

Better chose Leo A2 over Altay.

 

[sinait]

Do you know how ignorant you sound? Have you every had any hands on experience with working on ingines? Some of the simplest maintenance work will result in catrastrohic failures if done improper. I had a spark plug blow out and my engine lost compression because my spark plugs did not get tightened to spec so the compression from the engine caused them to shoot out.

Neglecting maintained will also result in failure if the engine is pushed hard. The T-72s have a good reliability record in general and have performed good in competitions. Engines generally don't break down for no reason unless maintenance is neglected or done improperly and it is exacerbated with adverse driving conditions.

I am afraid the ignorant one is you.
A person who does not know how to tighten spark plugs to the correct tension is NOT a qualified technician.
Are you telling me the Indians don't have a single qualified technician ?
Spark plugs are actually very easy with their tension washers.
Hand tighten fully and then tighten a further half turn with the spanners.

I do not suspect the design of Russian tank which is proven by the T-72s performance.
I am afraid either the partly made in India T-90 is shit or the Indian technicians are not qualified.
Either way the Indians managed to disgrace themselves and the T-90.
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[Dazzler]

I am afraid the ignorant one is you.
A person who does not know how to tighten spark plugs to the correct tension is NOT a qualified technician.
Are you telling me the Indians don't have a single qualified technician ?
Spark plugs are actually very easy with their tension washers.
Hand tighten fully and then tighten a further half turn with the spanners.

I do not suspect the design of Russian tank which is proven by the T-72s performance.
I am afraid either the partly made in India T-90 is shit or the Indian technicians are not qualified.
Either way the Indians managed to disgrace themselves and the T-90.
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Failure of one would be acceptable but both, that's fishy.

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

According to this video German tank has longer kill range, more heavy armor which can't be penetrated by russian 125mm shells and can target with much superior accuracy. So it can kill both Chinese and Russian tanks easily. So why don't we go for altay if all of above is true.

 

[Armchair-General]

According to this video German tank has longer kill range, more heavy armor which can't be penetrated by russian 125mm shells and can target with much superior accuracy. So it can kill both Chinese and Russian tanks easily. So why don't we go for altay if all of above is true.

Fanboyism, although the 120mm guns do out range the 125mm, due to long-rod ammunition and longer barrels. I remember a comment from a NATO commander regarding this scenario. He said that the Iraqi tanks would not be able to see them at such distances and that by the time they realized that they were being attacked, the NATO tanks would already have gotten one or two rounds off on them. This statement points out two things:
1- The accuracy of shells decreases with increasing distance (quite simple really anyone could figure it out)
2- And that this loss of accuracy accompanied by the reduction in kinetic energy and thus velocity means that the chances of hitting another tank from far away and destroying it are not 100 percent.
One must also take into consideration the fact that Iraqi tanks were practically sitting ducks due to being obsolete (both in terms of sensors, poor ammunition as well as lacking protection such as ERA due to decades of sanctions).
The Russians and Chinese on the other hand are a totally different story. Both use armor equipped with modern sensors and night fighting capability. The tanks are equipped with ERA and composite armor and will soon receive active protection systems against ATGMs. Their smaller size will also make for a smaller target while western tanks are larger but have better crew survivability due to separate storage of ammunition while the t-72 style auto-loader stores the ammunition around the crew.
Now if during the Iraq war, it took one to three shells to take out the obsolete Iraqi tanks, what would happen if NATO tanks face tanks that have the capability to spot them too and deploy counter measures (smoke grenades) and use ATGMs from their tank gun (e.g. the at-11) to attack back. Their own ERA can against incoming rounds from such a distance, while the western tank's stronger armor will also stand up to the missile.
Now keep in mind that the chances of both sides securing a kill at such long distances is low, so long range battles will never be a decisive factor. It has been more than 10 years since the Iraq invasion and both NATO and Chinese + Russian capabilities have been greatly enhanced. The new leopard sports a longer gun allowing for more accuracy and the Russians have also stepped up their capability with s more accurate 125mm gun( that was originally meant for the Armata but will also be used on the t-90) and fin stabilized sabot rounds that have greater accuracy.
So while western tanks do have an edge, when it comes to tank warfare at greater distances, that edge will not be a major deciding factor in any upcoming war.

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

I have seen many turkish tanks explode like this but syrian tanks very rarly explode like that. What could be the reason for that? Did west delivered them junk tanks?

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