Solution to Sino-India logjam

[Yizhi]

Once you abandon Pakistan, you will definitely face loss of credibility, and Pakistan will be seriously pissed off. But so will the tibetans and the whole western liberal community. It will just give a no-return start to a solid relationship. Also as I said earlier, You are not exchanging Pakistan for Tibet, you are exchanging Pakistan for India.

1. Permanent stop on Tibet secessionism.
2. The fury for abandoning Tibet will fall on india.
3. Solid relationship with India
4. Safe trade and shipping routes in IOR
5. No chance to contain China
6. Diffusion of US military and efforts, and a combined effort to push back

1. India don't have the capability to 'permanent stop' it. don't pretend you can single-handedly solve the issue.
2. ???!!! i don't get it.
3. possible, but nothing is 'solid' in geopolitics.
4. we already have safe trade and shipping routes in IOR.
5. ....that's US's call, not India's.
6. India wants to push back to US? this is news to me.

to sum up, you were basically asking China to abandon Pakistan and marry India instead. it'll be an 'us against the world' scenario which is very romantic, but no, we simply don't love you that much.

 

[Tractor]

2. Aksai China for Arunachal/South Tibet can be done, China can give South Tibet up for full renegotiation of Aksai Chin.

This decision was the most terrible in mordern Chinese diplomacy.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

This decision was the most terrible in mordern Chinese diplomacy.

I agree.

In addition, the decision to pull out completely of S Tibet after 1962 war is a mistake. China should at least keep Bomdila and India will have no chance to take it back.

 

[Pangu]

I agree.

In addition, the decision to pull out completely of S Tibet after 1962 war is a mistake. China should at least keep Bomdila and India will have no chance to take it back.

That's because we were expecting reciprocity from India which never happened. Live & learn!

 

[Lux de Veritas]

China will not give up Pakistan. Pakistan the the NO 1 best friend of China and has been lobbying for China among the Sunni nations.

Problem is Pakistan use of proxy Islamofascist especially Taliban is harming China's Xinjiang.

 

[hans]

You see China has great economy and military advantage over India..
How could India people calm down

That's because we were expecting reciprocity from India which never happened. Live & learn!

Right Pakistan is our best friend in gulf bay..
It can great reduce the distance of China to Africa and middle east.
For terrorist, I think it is still not big problem.
instead it is Turkey that causing Xinjiang problem.

China will not give up Pakistan. Pakistan the the NO 1 best friend of China and has been lobbying for China among the Sunni nations.

Problem is Pakistan use of proxy Islamofascist especially Taliban is harming China's Xinjiang.

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

China will not give up Pakistan. Pakistan the the NO 1 best friend of China and has been lobbying for China among the Sunni nations.

Problem is Pakistan use of proxy Islamofascist especially Taliban is harming China's Xinjiang.

No! your last sentence is untrue we have actually launched a massive operation against taliban and are also working along side with our chinese brothers to eradicate these terrorists from this region. We have arrested, killed and handover many uighar terrorists which were in our soil. The agencies of both countries are also working together to wipe these terrorists inorder to ensure peace and stability in the region.

 

[AgentOrange]

1. India don't have the capability to 'permanent stop' it. don't pretend you can single-handedly solve the issue.
2. ???!!! i don't get it.
3. possible, but nothing is 'solid' in geopolitics.
4. we already have safe trade and shipping routes in IOR.
5. ....that's US's call, not India's.
6. India wants to push back to US? this is news to me.

to sum up, you were basically asking China to abandon Pakistan and marry India instead. it'll be an 'us against the world' scenario which is very romantic, but no, we simply don't love you that much.

His other problem is that he ascribes way too much power and influence to India, who has an economy barely larger than Italy's. For example he acts as if "Tibetan secessionism" is an actual threat to China rather than a mere annoyance. If anything, Tibetan secessionism is a greater threat to India as they have to host and pay for an essentially indigent population of uneducated Tibetan refugees led by a discredited Dalai Lama that China is no longer interested in talking to.

Furthermore, he talks as if India threatening Chinese trade routes and thereby threatening the trade routes of all of China's partners would be well tolerated by the rest of the world. In a situation where India would try to blockade China, the world's largest trading nation, it's much more likely that they'd end up incurring the wrath of the US which is pledged to freedom of navigation above all else.

Finally, with regards to a solid relationship with India - what does China get out of it? India is the one that needs Chinese money for infrastructure investment. Meanwhile China has access to what? The world's 10th largest economy? China is already running a trade surplus with India and India has nothing to offer - no technology, no money for investment in China - nothing other than some raw materials.

 

[Tractor]

His other problem is that he ascribes way too much power and influence to India, who has an economy barely larger than Italy's. For example he acts as if "Tibetan secessionism" is an actual threat to China rather than a mere annoyance. If anything, Tibetan secessionism is a greater threat to India as they have to host and pay for an essentially indigent population of uneducated Tibetan refugees led by a discredited Dalai Lama that China is no longer interested in talking to.

Furthermore, he talks as if India threatening Chinese trade routes and thereby threatening the trade routes of all of China's partners would be well tolerated by the rest of the world. In a situation where India would try to blockade China, the world's largest trading nation, it's much more likely that they'd end up incurring the wrath of the US which is pledged to freedom of navigation above all else.

Finally, with regards to a solid relationship with India - what does China get out of it? India is the one that needs Chinese money for infrastructure investment. Meanwhile China has access to what? The world's 10th largest economy? China is already running a trade surplus with India and India has nothing to offer - no technology, no money for investment in China - nothing other than some raw materials.

We really don't care about how India is and you seem to have forgotten that India really has one thing to offer-our territory being occupied.

 

[TaiShang]

China never settles anything with any one in equal terms rather if any nation is weak then it is easier for them to settle any dispute.

I guess, as far as historical land disputes are concerned, China has in fact given up lands

His other problem is that he ascribes way too much power and influence to India, who has an economy barely larger than Italy's. For example he acts as if "Tibetan secessionism" is an actual threat to China rather than a mere annoyance. If anything, Tibetan secessionism is a greater threat to India as they have to host and pay for an essentially indigent population of uneducated Tibetan refugees led by a discredited Dalai Lama that China is no longer interested in talking to.

Furthermore, he talks as if India threatening Chinese trade routes and thereby threatening the trade routes of all of China's partners would be well tolerated by the rest of the world. In a situation where India would try to blockade China, the world's largest trading nation, it's much more likely that they'd end up incurring the wrath of the US which is pledged to freedom of navigation above all else.

Finally, with regards to a solid relationship with India - what does China get out of it? India is the one that needs Chinese money for infrastructure investment. Meanwhile China has access to what? The world's 10th largest economy? China is already running a trade surplus with India and India has nothing to offer - no technology, no money for investment in China - nothing other than some raw materials.

India is insignificant due to its poor economy, rampant corruption, inefficient political regime, nonexistent infrastructure and unproductive and uneducated workforce.

And this India is offering a bargain to China?

That's one of the most bizarre suggestions I have ever heard.

If India so desires, it may go with further inciting the so-called Tibetan independence and blockade China's sea trade.

That would be enough to elevate them from the world's largest laughing stock to the largest human disaster.

 

[Tractor]

I guess, as far as historical land disputes are concerned, China has in fact given up lands


India is insignificant due to its poor economy, rampant corruption, inefficient political regime, nonexistent infrastructure and unproductive and uneducated workforce.

And this India is offering a bargain to China?

That's one of the most bizarre suggestions I have ever heard.

If India so desires, it may go with further inciting the so-called Tibetan independence and blockade China's sea trade.

That would be enough to elevate them from the world's largest laughing stock to the largest human disaster.

Just wait until this Modi hype is over, which the falling oil prices seems to prolong. When reality sinks deeper, the dreamy will focus on the next savior.

If India is really nothing then say nothing about it.

 

[Luca1]

When dalai lama dies it will be a problem of succession.

China will select its own lama and Tibet/in exile will select its own

The selection of Lama must be approved by China. That is the rule of selecting the new Dalai Lama.

 

[TaiShang]

If India is really nothing then say nothing about it.

Yeah, I just did that. I said India is insignificant as far as the points raised by the OP are concerned.

 

[topgun047]

Hi all.
This thread tempted me to stop being a passive reader and contribute my thoughts.
So here goes.

1.I think that eventually something similar to what the op is suggesting regarding India will come to pass.
Areas that were under India influence in the past will come under India's influence again - With or without China's consent
Even if history does not repeat itself, it still rhymes.

2. I don't understand the arrogance of Chinese posters here.
Perhaps the same arrogance that led to their(our ?) fall from grace.
Looking from geopolitical perspective anyone would choose India over Pakistan.
Even now, it is China which is trying to woo India, not vice-versa!
As the middle power in the upcoming cold war of this century, India can tilt the scales either way.
Perhaps it is posturing in anticipation of India's rejection or perhaps it is just good old fashioned stupidity.

3. Why the hell should India pick one side over the other when it can wield more power and extract more concessions from both sides as the swing power ?
India should just build its own strength and capitalize on this geopolitical window of next 50 years which fate has endowed upon it in which India is essentially the King-maker of 21st century.(unfortunately not the king though)

4.Totally disagree with giving up AN islands for whole of Tibet, let alone piddly Kailash and Dumbi. .
Controlling Malacca means controlling all non pacific East-West trade.

 

[hans]

You talk like India is a superpower.
But actually it is not.

Hi all.
This thread tempted me to stop being a passive reader and contribute my thoughts.
So here goes.

1.I think that eventually something similar to what the op is suggesting regarding India will come to pass.
Areas that were under India influence in the past will come under India's influence again - With or without China's consent
Even if history does not repeat itself, it still rhymes.

2. I don't understand the arrogance of Chinese posters here.
Perhaps the same arrogance that led to their(our ?) fall from grace.
Looking from geopolitical perspective anyone would choose India over Pakistan.
Even now, it is China which is trying to woo India, not vice-versa!
As the middle power in the upcoming cold war of this century, India can tilt the scales either way.
Perhaps it is posturing in anticipation of India's rejection or perhaps it is just good old fashioned stupidity.

3. Why the hell should India pick one side over the other when it can wield more power and extract more concessions from both sides as the swing power ?
India should just build its own strength and capitalize on this geopolitical window of next 50 years which fate has endowed upon it in which India is essentially the King-maker of 21st century.(unfortunately not the king though)

4.Totally disagree with giving up AN islands for whole of Tibet, let alone piddly Kailash and Dumbi. .
Controlling Malacca means controlling all non pacific East-West trade.

You talk like India is a superpower.
But actually it is not.

Hi all.
This thread tempted me to stop being a passive reader and contribute my thoughts.
So here goes.

1.I think that eventually something similar to what the op is suggesting regarding India will come to pass.
Areas that were under India influence in the past will come under India's influence again - With or without China's consent
Even if history does not repeat itself, it still rhymes.

2. I don't understand the arrogance of Chinese posters here.
Perhaps the same arrogance that led to their(our ?) fall from grace.
Looking from geopolitical perspective anyone would choose India over Pakistan.
Even now, it is China which is trying to woo India, not vice-versa!
As the middle power in the upcoming cold war of this century, India can tilt the scales either way.
Perhaps it is posturing in anticipation of India's rejection or perhaps it is just good old fashioned stupidity.

3. Why the hell should India pick one side over the other when it can wield more power and extract more concessions from both sides as the swing power ?
India should just build its own strength and capitalize on this geopolitical window of next 50 years which fate has endowed upon it in which India is essentially the King-maker of 21st century.(unfortunately not the king though)

4.Totally disagree with giving up AN islands for whole of Tibet, let alone piddly Kailash and Dumbi. .
Controlling Malacca means controlling all non pacific East-West trade.