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Soldiers killed in action are not martyrs. ‘Martyr’ has religious overtones, writes Karan Thapar

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A martyr seeks to die. Soldiers want to live, their commitment to the cause they’re fighting for and their determination to prevail is even greater


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A soldier pays tribute to his colleague during his funeral, Kulgam, Srinagar, Jammu & Kashmir, May 10, 2017(Waseem Andrabi/HT )

I have a problem with calling soldiers killed in action martyrs. I know it’s meant as respect and I’m well aware it’s intended as an honour, but that still doesn’t address my key concern which is that the term is singularly inappropriate. I’m not sure I can convince you but I’d like you to think carefully about my argument.

First of all, the term martyr has clear and undisputed religious overtones. Traditionally and historically it’s used for those who are killed defending their faith. Each of the great faiths has its own list of honoured martyrs. In each case it was refusal to renounce their faith that led to the sacrifice of their lives.

This unavoidable religious association is, I believe, inappropriate for a man in uniform and, particularly, for an Indian Army soldier. Remember ours is a military force that defends a secular State. Its cause is constitutional not religious. And secularism is one of the key principles of our Constitution and, therefore, of our nationally accepted political identity.

However, this is only my lesser concern. The bigger one has to do with the way martyrs traditionally approach and accept death. I’d like you to follow this part of the argument with particular attention.

A martyr seeks to die. You could even say he wants to die because he’s deliberately chosen a path that will lead inevitably and irrevocably to death. This is not simple suicide but the defiant embrace of death in defence of the faith he values more than life. And this seeking of death is intrinsic to martyrdom. It defines the martyr.
In contrast, soldiers do not want to die. They don’t seek death. That is not their intention. Their aim is to vanquish the enemy but emerge victorious and alive.

A soldier may lay down his life in defence of his country but that wasn’t what he wanted. It certainly wasn’t what he sought. He has a wife and children he wanted to return to. A mother and father he wished to see again. A life he hoped to live to the full. At no point was he seeking death.

Now don’t misunderstand me. I’m not devaluing soldiers or their commitment. I’m just correcting a misunderstanding. In fact, I would go one step further. I would say that because soldiers want to live, their commitment to the cause they’re fighting for and their determination to prevail is even greater.

So let me reiterate in simple terms: A soldier may be prepared to die to secure victory but that doesn’t mean he wants to. He wants to live to enjoy his success. That’s what sets him apart from a martyr.

This is not a small difference. It’s not one of interpretation or use of language. It’s not etymological. It has to do with understanding the role and thinking of a soldier. You could, therefore, call it philosophical. That’s why it’s important.
Finally, if it’s misleading and, therefore, wrong to call soldiers killed in action martyrs what term do we have that fits better and still honours the sacrifice they’ve made? Because there’s no doubt they’ve made an enormous sacrifice. The biggest any human being can.

I’m afraid I don’t have an answer. Instead, what comes to my mind is the epitaph on the Kohima War Memorial, derived from the words of the English poet John Edmonds: “When you go home, tell them of us and say, for your tomorrow we gave our today.”

The views expressed are personal

http://www.hindustantimes.com/colum...s-overtones/story-Fs84kHSrSBDEckwKVL8npN.html
 
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ahem, there are several more semitic languages which has similar terms, probabily from same roots. So it is not exactly Islamic.

The concept and the word that is being flaunted shamelessly in Hindu-stan is Islamic.

You can come back and quote which other s emetic people had a close enough impact on Mother India
to produce this bastardy behavior.
 
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Hinduism doesn't have the concept of Shahadat, it's a purely Islamic concept.
The concept and the word that is being flaunted shamelessly in Hindu-stan is Islamic.

You can come back and quote which other s emetic people had a close enough impact on Mother India
to produce this bastardy behavior.

apparently Christianity have it. So there is no point in claiming that it is islamic.
 
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Anything and everything borrowed from outside - even Islamic terms like "shahid' derived from "Shahadah" and then these Indians talk of Hindoo civilization.

*Others might or might not have it but the fact is the term as exposed in South Asia has been articulated and the vehicle has been Islam.
 
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Anything and everything borrowed from outside - even Islamic terms like "shahid' derived from "Shahadah" and then these Gangia junglees talk of Hindoo civilization.

Maybe because we are not xenophobic religious bigots ?

*Others might or might not have it but the fact is the term as exposed in South Asia has been articulated and the vehicle has been Islam.

Which is one of the largest religions practiced here. The point is ?
 
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apparently Christianity have it. So there is no point in claiming that it is islamic.
There is still a difference even if we compare Christianity and Islam.. in Christianity I believe, a "martyr" (not a "Shaheed" which is a Quranic word) is the one who dies for Christ.

In Islam the concept is difference. A student who dies on the way to school is also a Shaheed, a soldier on Jihad is Shaheed, and so on.

A Muslim "desires" shahadat, a Christian doesn't.

A Shaheed in Islam doesn't die and is alive and it's forbidden to call or consider him "dead".

Now, how a Hindu or Sikh uses a Quranic/Islamic concept for their war dead is a little weird.
 
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There is still a difference even if we compare Christianity and Islam.. in Christianity I believe, a "martyr" (not a "Shaheed" which is a Quranic word) is the one who dies for Christ.

Actually, the term in Syriac language (a semitic language which is a derivative of Aramaic, which Christ spoke) for martyr is ''sahda'' which is similar, hence I guessed these are from same roots. I know a bit of that language.

When it suits you, you kill over meat curry

You do understand that they still live here ?
 
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If you take away the Islamic influence from Ganga India, take away the genetic print from the invaders from the West (mostly Muslim) what are you left with? The true shining India. The aboriginals Adivasi who make 10% of India. All you Indian's should thank us for giving you a culture, clothing, architecture, civilization and some with faces that don't crack the mirror.

The real Indians before Islam came - the Adivasi.

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Martyrdom is a Christian concept, and involves witnessing about the religion,
even if that results in persecution and death.
Martyrs do not seek death, but they will not back from their belief even
if they are threatened with punishment or even death.

Dying in battle does not make You a Martyr.
That is a pagan system, that Islam has taken over.
Similar to the Viking belief that if you die in battle You go to the Valhalla
party in the evening with free booze and pork chops.

My conclusion is that it is probably wrong to translate Shahadat to Martyrdom.
 
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The true shining India. The aboriginals Adivasi who make 10% of India. All you Indian's should thank us for giving you a culture, clothing, architecture, civilization and some with faces that don't crack the mirror.

Lol, and the 'Golden Age of India' happened way back in 4-6th centuries, which is several centuries before any Islamic invasion.

Chess is said to have originated in this period, where its early form in the 6th century was known as caturaṅga, which translates as "four divisions [of the military]" – infantry, cavalry, elephantry, and chariotry – represented by the pieces that would evolve into the modern pawn, knight, rook, and bishop, respectively. Doctors also invented several medical instruments, and even performed operations. The Indian numerals which were the first positional base 10 numeral systems in the world originated from Gupta India. The ancient Gupta text Kama Sutra by the Indian scholar . Aryabhata, a noted mathematician-astronomer of the Gupta period proposed that the earth is round and rotates about its own axis. He also discovered that the Moon and planets shine by reflected sunlight. Instead of the prevailing cosmogony in which eclipses were caused by pseudo-planetary nodes Rahu and Ketu, he explained eclipses in terms of shadows cast by and falling on Earth.

And Indian Mathematics. Do that need an introduction?

Clothing, eh..

The Indus Valley civilization started cultivating cotton by 2500 BCE. Cotton was mentioned in Hindu hymns in 1500 BCE.

Herodotus, an ancient Greek historian, mentions Indian cotton in the 5th century BCE as "a wool exceeding in beauty and goodness that of sheep." When Alexander the Great invaded India, his troops started wearing cotton clothes that were more comfortable than their previous woolen ones. Strabo, another Greek historian, mentioned the vividness of Indian fabrics, and Arrian told of Indian–Arab trade of cotton fabrics in 130 CE. Egyptians grew and spun cotton from 6–700 CE


And should I even say anything about Mathematics ?

The functions sine and cosine can be traced to the jyā and koti-jyā functions used in Gupta period Indian astronomy (Aryabhatiya, Surya Siddhanta), via translation from Sanskrit to Arabic and then from Arabic to Latin.
  • French mathematician Pierre Simon Laplace (1749–1827) wrote:


"It is India that gave us the ingenuous method of expressing all numbers by the means of ten symbols, each symbol receiving a value of position, as well as an absolute value; a profound and important idea which appears so simple to us now that we ignore its true merit, but its very simplicity, the great ease which it has lent to all computations, puts our arithmetic in the first rank of useful inventions, and we shall appreciate the grandeur of this achievement when we remember that it escaped the genius of Archimedes and Apollonius, two of the greatest minds produced by antiquity."

 
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