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The real story behind the military coup in Cairo led by General al-Sissi is much more complex than the western media is reporting. Far from a spontaneous uprising by Egyptians, – aka “a people’s revolution” – what really happened was a putsch orchestrated by Egypt’s “deep government” and outside powers – the latest phase of the counter-revolution against the so-called Arab Spring.

A year ago, Egyptians elected Mohammed Morsi president in their first fair democratic election. Morsi came from the ranks of the Muslim Brotherhood, an eight-decade old conservative movement of professionals dedicated to bringing Islamic principals of public welfare, politics, education, justice, piety and fighting corruption.

But the deck was stacked against Morsi and the Brotherhood from day one. The brutal US-backed Mubarak had fallen, but the organs of his 30-year dictatorship, Egypt’s pampered 440,000-man military, judiciary, academia, media, police, intelligence services and bureaucrats, remained in place. Even Morsi’s presidential guard remained under control of the Mubarak forces.

The dictatorship’s old guard – better known as the “deep government” – sought to thwart every move of the Brotherhood. In fact, the stolid, plodding Morsi only became president after more capable colleagues were vetoed by the hard-line Mubarakist courts.

Morsi should have purged the “deep government,” notably the police, secret police, judges, and media who were sabotaging the democratic government. But Morsi was too soft, and the entrenched powers arrayed against him too strong. He never managed to grasp the levers of state. Ironically, after all the media hysteria in North America over the alleged dangers of the Muslim Brotherhood, it turned out to be a dud.

The Brotherhood stumbled from one crisis to the next as
Egypt’s economy, already in terrible shape before the 2011 revolution, sank like a rock. Tourism, that provided 17% of national income, evaporated. Unemployment soared over 13%, and over 50% among angry urban young. We have recently seen this same phenomena in Turkey, Tunisia, Algeria, Pakistan, and Western Europe. Severe shortages of fuel and electricity sparked outrage.

Egypt’s curse is that it cannot feed its surging population of over 90 million. So Cairo imports huge quantities of wheat and subsidizes retail prices for bread. The US sustained the Sadat and Mubarak regimes with boatloads of wheat discounted 50%. This vital aid tapered off when Morsi took power. Food prices in Egypt rose 10%.

Equally important, ever since Anwar Sadat invited in the US to rearm his outdated military, Egypt’s armed forces have become joined at the hip with the Pentagon. Just as Turkey’s 500,000-man armed forces were, until eleven years ago, and Pakistan’s so remain today.

Armies of many Muslim states are designed to control their populations, not defeat foreign enemies. The only Arab military force in recent memory to beat an invader has been the guerilla forces of Lebanon’s Hezbollah.

The US provides Egypt’s military $1.5 billion annually, not counting tens of millions of “black” payments from CIA to leading generals, police chiefs, commentators and bureaucrats.
Egypt’s military has been totally re-equipped with US F-16 fighter-bombers, M-1 heavy tanks, armored vehicles, radars, electronic systems, and artillery.

Washington has supplied Egypt with just enough arms to control its population and intimidate small neighbors, but not enough to wage war against Israel. Further, the Pentagon sharply limits Egypt supplies of munitions, missiles and vital spare parts. Many of Egypt’s generals have been trained in US military colleges, where they formed close links with US intelligence and the Pentagon. CIA, DIA, and NSA have large stations in Egypt that watch its military and population.

Under Mubarak, the US controlled Egypt’s military and key parts of its economy. When Morsi and the Brotherhood came to power, Washington backed off for a while but in recent months apparently decided to back the overthrow of Egypt’s first democratic government.

This fact became perfectly clear when the White House refused to call the military coup in Cairo a coup. Had it done so, US law would have mandated the cutoff of US aid to Egypt.
US politicians and media, with shameless hypocrisy, are hailing the overthrow of Morsi as a democratic achievement. In North America, anything labeled “Muslim” has become ipso facto menacing.

The counter-revolution of Egypt’s “deep government” was financed and aided by the US and Saudi Arabia, cheered on by Israel, the UAE, Britain and France. Tiny Qatar, that backed Morsi with $8 billion, lost its influence in Cairo. The Saudis will now call many shots in Egypt.

In recent weeks, mass street demonstrations in major Egyptian cities against Morsi were organized by the police, secret police and the Mubarakist structure. Fears of the Brotherhood were whipped up among Egypt’s nervous Coptic Christians, 10% of the population, who form much of the urban elite.

Then there were tens of thousands of unemployed, highly volatile young street people, as we recently saw in Istanbul, ready to explode at any excuse. Large numbers of Egyptians were fed up with stumbles of Morsi’s government – even some of his former Salafist allies. – and the threat of economic collapse. Liberals, Nasserites, Marxists joined them.

There may be some armed resistance against the coup, but it will likely be crushed by Egypt’s military and attack-dog security forces. Senior Brotherhood officials are already being arrested, and pro-Brotherhood media gagged, while Washington turns a blind eye.

As of now, the threat of a real civil war such as Algeria suffered in the 1990’s after a US and French-backed military coup seems unlikely, but not impossible. Meanwhile, the military has installed a puppet president for the time being. The old US “asset” Mohammed el-Baradei may take over as civilian frontman for the generals, who prefer civilian sock puppets get blamed for Egypt’s economic and social crises.

So much for democracy in the Mideast. The overthrow of a moderate Islamist government will send a message to the Muslim world that compromise with the Western powers is impossible and only violent resistance can shake the status quo.

Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2013
 
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What's been done is in no way related to any other people or foreign entity than the Egyptian people themselves.
 
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The fall of Morsi was cheered by none other than you when it happened. Oh the fall of hard liner Sunnis, it can't get better than this right?

Then Saudi Arabia congratulated and supported the move, this immediately sent you reshuffling your support, you are pro-Morsi now, why? Simply because you found out it is in Saudi Arabia's interests. You people make it a religion to hate Saudis, oh wait a second, this is actually the case isn't it? :lol:
 
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Well, some countries cried a mountain out of Morsi's removal, but like I said, their country, their aspiration,and their hopes.

I don't think the MB will get into politics after such defeat, every decent human being knows that the MB has never taken the lead over the last 85 years - since it foundation - so don't expect them to be professionals when they get to power.
The fall of Morsi was cheered by none other than you when it happened. Oh the fall of hard liner Sunnis, it can't get better than this right?

Then Saudi Arabia congratulated and supported the move, this immediately sent you reshuffling your support, you are pro-Morsi now, why? Simply because you found out it is in Saudi Arabia's interests. You people make it a religion to hate Saudis, oh wait a second, this is actually the case isn't it? :lol:

KSA's stand is indifferent but sides with the Egyptian people, and all.
 
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The fall of Morsi was cheered by none other than you when it happened. Oh the fall of hard liner Sunnis, it can't get better than this right?

Then Saudi Arabia congratulated and supported the move, this immediately sent you reshuffling your support, you are pro-Morsi now, why? Simply because you found out it is in Saudi Arabia's interests. You people make it a religion to hate Saudis, oh wait a second, this is actually the case isn't it? :lol:

My name is not Eric Margolis renowned author and internationally-syndicated journalist.Thats why at the bottom it says copy write Eric Margolis.
 
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My name is not Eric Margolis renowned author and internationally-syndicated journalist.Thats why at the bottom it says copy write Eric Margolis.


My dear Cheetah (Leopard) please keep in mind that Eric Morgolis is part of a small group of "extreme leftie" journalists who love to spread anti-West constipated conspiracy theories.

these journalists will never be happy if things are moving forward in a semi-predictable fashion.


Morsi had a chance to become the true statesman, even bigger than Gamal Nasir.

but he could not.

He was too much into religious $hit, and as a result he utterly refused to consider the demands of ALL Egyptians.


Egypt's economy is in the dump.

And

the last thing any leader should do is to make the country more religious. And that even in 2013.


When will all these despots realize that religion is a personal thing, that should be held close to heart under nice cover.

Real religion that is kept close to heart makes you refined, makes you truthful, makes you honest, and makes you a tolerant and kind and gentle person.

So much so that everyone else wants to get close to you, and be like you.


unfortunately MB and Jamat Islami folks think that a long unkempt beard, and angry looks are the true religion. It is not. That type of unrefined and uncivilized behavior brings bad name to any religion.


Morsi failed because he focused on beards.


Egyptians rejected him. And not someone sitting on Mars.

The next elections will be held, and other people will get a chance.

This cycle may repeat 4 to 5 times until things settle down the way Egyptians want.


So please do not spread leftist propaganda a la Morgolis.


peace
 
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My dear Cheetah (Leopard) please keep in mind that Eric Morgolis is part of a small group of "extreme leftie" journalists who love to spread anti-West constipated conspiracy theories.

these journalists will never be happy if things are moving forward in a semi-predictable fashion.


Morsi had a chance to become the true statesman, even bigger than Gamal Nasir.

but he could not.

He was too much into religious $hit, and as a result he utterly refused to consider the demands of ALL Egyptians.


Egypt's economy is in the dump.

And

the last thing any leader should do is to make the country more religious. And that even in 2013.


When will all these despots realize that religion is a personal thing, that should be held close to heart under nice cover.

Real religion that is kept close to heart makes you refined, makes you truthful, makes you honest, and makes you a tolerant and kind and gentle person.

So much so that everyone else wants to get close to you, and be like you.


unfortunately MB and Jamat Islami folks think that a long unkempt beard, and angry looks are the true religion. It is not. That type of unrefined and uncivilized behavior brings bad name to any religion.


Morsi failed because he focused on beards.


Egyptians rejected him. And not someone sitting on Mars.

The next elections will be held, and other people will get a chance.

This cycle may repeat 4 to 5 times until things settle down the way Egyptians want.


So please do not spread leftist propaganda a la Morgolis.


peace

Hi Mr historian thank you for name calling dont like what i posted argue with me but when you resort to name calling you and i have nothing to discuss.
 
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The fall of Morsi was cheered by none other than you when it happened. Oh the fall of hard liner Sunnis, it can't get better than this right?

Then Saudi Arabia congratulated and supported the move, this immediately sent you reshuffling your support, you are pro-Morsi now, why? Simply because you found out it is in Saudi Arabia's interests. You people make it a religion to hate Saudis, oh wait a second, this is actually the case isn't it? :lol:




You are absolutely right about these guys.

These are Pakistani Shias and they have built in Hatred for our Saudi and Arab Brothers.

Fortunately , these Ayatollah Brianwashed guys are a small minority in Pakistan.

On PDF this mentality is expressed by @Cheetah786 @muse @Patriot @pak-marine and few others.

Just know that these guys follow Iran in all their diatribe.
 
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You are absolutely right about these guys.

These are Pakistani Shias and they have built in Hatred for our Saudi and Arab Brothers.

Fortunately , these Ayatollah Brianwashed guys are a small minority in Pakistan.

On PDF this mentality is expressed by @Cheetah786 @muse @Patriot @pak-marine and few others.

Just know that these guys follow Iran in all their diatribe.

Thank you paudi

You tried your best to hide your identity, at the end you couldn't hide who you really are and i am sure master will be happy with you.
 
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You are absolutely right about these guys.

These are Pakistani Shias and they have built in Hatred for our Saudi and Arab Brothers.

Fortunately , these Ayatollah Brianwashed guys are a small minority in Pakistan.

On PDF this mentality is expressed by @Cheetah786 @muse @Patriot @pak-marine and few others.

Just know that these guys follow Iran in all their diatribe.

What the f**k u idiot ? what this got to do with me ? have you lost your mind
 
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Mr. Magolis appears confused, he says that the game was stacked against Morsi, that he should have "purged" the deep state - yet he fails to mention that what really did Mr.Morsi in was what he did to the constitution and making himself above the law -

On the other hand, Mr. Margolis suggests that what really did Mr. Morsi in was the economy --- no doubt about that, but what ever happened to "Islamic" economics? Whatever happened to Quran as solution to all problems? Did Islamic economics produce wealth? or make more bread? or pay peoples bills? May be Quran can pay peoples bills starting from this Ramazan?

So this reality about the emptiness of Islamism's core is not lost on people - not reforms, but more subsidies, for a while the Qatari carried this and now the Sodie and UAE can carry it - but it will not stop the emptyness at the core of Islam from expressing itself and what was started in Syria will pay dividends across the so called islamic world
 
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He has no maters, and he's right BTW. You have been nothing but too jerk to us.

This kind of slave-master mentality reveals your poor attitude toward nice people.
Thank you paudi

You tried your best to hide your identity, at the end you couldn't hide who you really are and i am sure master will be happy with you.
 
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Thank you paudi

You tried your best to hide your identity, at the end you couldn't hide who you really are and i am sure master will be happy with you.




You are hilarious, I don't hide my identity.

My posts speak for themselves and are a matter of PDF Public record.

You guys are fellow Pakistanis for me and I love you as my countrymen.

I stand with you and in front of you when some extremist lowlife targets you or your Children for he is an enemy of Pakistan.

But when you spew hatred against my Arab Brothers at the behest of your Ayatollah Master's while you are flying Pakistan's Flag, I have to explain to my friends about your Shia mentality.

You guys don't represent 85% of Pakistanis who are Sunnis.

Do not insult our Arab Brothers and Friends while flying Pakistan's Flag.

Other than that I have no issues with you.
 
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He has no maters, and he's right BTW. You have been nothing but too jerk to us.

This kind of slave-master mentality reveals your poor attitude toward nice people.

Unfortunately you guys are used to of people slave-master mentality like pakistanisage also known as paudies in their eyes Arabs can do no wrong.
Funny in the other thread we are discussing UAE and other GCC states deporting foreign workers to create jobs for locals.And thats fine nothing wrong with that Governments to look after its citizens .

But at the same time when i say we Pakistanis are effected by terrorist financing from Arab nations that continues to destroy our country and hamper our ability to create jobs. i am a jerk for pointing that out really.

In order for me to be a good Muslim i must obey house of Saud other wise i am jerk. I must not speak the evils that haunt my country cause that will make me a jerk. If thats the definition of being a jerk then Fine i am a jerk
 
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Unfortunately you guys are used to of people slave-master mentality like pakistanisage also known as paudies in their eyes Arabs can do no wrong.
Funny in the other thread we are discussing UAE and other GCC states deporting foreign workers to create jobs for locals.And thats fine nothing wrong with that Governments to look after its citizens .

But at the same time when i say we Pakistanis are effected by terrorist financing from Arab nations that continues to destroy our country and hamper our ability to create jobs. i am a jerk for pointing that out really.

In order for me to be a good Muslim i must obey house of Saud other wise i am jerk. I must not speak the evils that haunt my country cause that will make me a jerk. If thats the definition of being a jerk then Fine i am a jerk

Cheemini, why so serious, bro?

And who said about obeying house of saud? Is that what your shia imams tell you day in day out that all sunnis worship house of saud?


House of saud is only custodian and waiting for Imam mehdi to come so they can hand over the Makkah and madina responsibility to him
 
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